Aria (Las Vegas, NV)

Is there a site which shows what games are running at the Aria?

Very hit or miss IMO.
The Vegas mis regs camp out all day and a lot of recs only play for an hour or two.

They'd really be better off making the game a straight 5/5/10 triple blind game and getting rid of the idiotic rock.

90-95 percent seems right for the 20 also being on which chases a lot of people off but the dipshit regs there will never understand that bc they have zero social awareness.

I've seen so many randoms sit down with 1000 or less get told the 20 is on and go along with it even though you can tell they feel awkward about it.These people want to see flops but when they call 80 call a 3 bet to 300 a couple of times whiff and go bust they play 1/2 for the rest of their trip. The 400-2000 structure is also absurd for a game that's almost always 5/5/10/20.

Personally I'd love a straight 5/10/20 game but when you advertise a 5/5 game that's really 4x you're driving action away. Most people, especially plo players expect a straddle but not another one on top of it. Of course a few blasters here and there love it which is fine- but having it happening organically in those games is totally different than making it the standard.

Once you're rolled for it I'd just play the better game between the 2. I've played in some great 5/5 games and plenty of terrible ones. I've also sat through some super tight 1/2 plo games where you want to blow your brains out and some incredible ones.

As far as how the game plays- it's what you'd expect. Most of the regs are more aggressive in 5/5 while a lot of regs in 1/2 just limp most of their hands.

My favorite poker session ever was in the 1/2 PLO game:

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plexiglass short handed games were incredible everywhere.

The culture in Vegas at wynn and aria for 5 5 10 runs with a straddle most often. At least for past couple of years.

There are a lot of guys that will buy in for 400 so being able to deal with shorts stacks is helpful.

Appreciate it. Thank you.

Yup I agreed with you that the 20 almost is always on.
400 min buy is such a joke with a 20 straddle but the short stacking hit and running nits love it.

The Wynn told me that it's pretty standard to hold money for players at the cashier cages (not the poker room)

As someone else said, at Aria, you can color up to 5k chips, and they would be traceable.

Did you ever exercise your option not to straddle? Since it's optional?

If so, how did that go?

I was wondering the same thing. If it's a 5/5 game or whatever and someone at the table says '...the automatic straddle is on...' does everyone that sits down have to agree?

You don't have to do it. Sometimes if you sit down and the table has a lot of deep stacks at the main game and they have been doing it for the past 12 hours, and half the people are stuck about 5k.

For me it's a good problem to have that almost everybody wants to straddle. They don't have that issue at 1/2 or 2/5.

5/5/10/20 is a huge game. Occasionally it's nosebleed: 5/5/10/20/40/80/160/320.

Be prepared to lose $10–20k in a day if you're not short stacking. You need a $500k bankroll to play it every day and buy in for the max.

And it's tough. Not a lot of limping or super multi-way pots. Lots of tough regs. And the fish are aggressive.

The 20 is legally optional. But good luck trying not to straddle LOL.

$50 double board bomb pot every half hour is not for the faint of heart either. If you don't play these (or if you play them too weak–tight), you're giving up a lot of your EV in the game.

Sometimes it's a great game. Sometimes 1/2 is better. Sometimes both 1/2 and 5/5 suck.

Vegas has the toughest poker games in the world. If you want easier games, there's TCH and Lodge in Texas.

I wonder if a new 2/5 PLO game—$300–1,500 buy-in, straddle $10 or $15 from any position (with priority UTG)—would bridge the gap between the small 1/2 and huge 5/5/10/20 games in Vegas.

"I wonder if a new 2/5 PLO game—$300–1,500 buy-in, straddle $10 or $15 from any position (with priority UTG)—would bridge the gap between the small 1/2 and huge 5/5/10/20 games in Vegas."

Hollywood, FL offers 2 2 5, 5 5 10, 10 10 25 - No straddles allowed, so it's as advertised. But that being said, they have a hard time getting the 10 10 25 games going consistently.

Part of the reason the Aria game runs all the time and so often is IMO because it's not advertised as 5 5 10 20. Rec Players are a lot more likely to agree if they sit in thinking it's a 5 5 10 than to actually jump into a 10 10 25 game listed as advertised, and also the buy-ins are lower. Raising up the buy-in to 1k makes it harder to get the game going consistently. As far as I know, Vegas has the most consistent running 5 5 10 20 games anywhere in the country. This also helps out with the rake to add a straddle.

I feel like Aria and Wynn have some of the best run Poker rooms in the world to be honest, especially when you consider the quality of the dealers and the food options available and the rake.

The 1/2 structure with optional 5 dollars to bring in seems like it encourages super tight play from my point of view. It's just rewards super tight play.

For me, Hopefully the new hard rock in Vegas will offer a 2 2 5 (buy in of 200 to 1k) and a 5 5 10 (buy-in 500 to 2k) no staddle allowed and a 10 10 25 (1k to 5k buy-ins). They are building a Hard Rock in Vegas, but I don't know if the poker room is the same company as the one in Hollywood or not.

Yes, this 3-blind structure would be perfect. Hopefully the new Hard Rock fixes things.

The rock itself encourages tight play and gives short stackers a huge edge.Triple blind is such a better structure.

The not advertised part making it 5/5/10/20 chases so many recs to 1/2. Yea recs agree to it once , lose their 800 dollars and most just play 1/2 the rest of the week. I could not go to Vegas for six months and when I walk into Aria I'll know 6-8 players at almost every 5/5 game.

They generally get one game running most of the day but when you check out bravo not during wsop there are way less table running of it than before the 20 was basically always on. The fact they can get one game all day is a function of regs battling each other,.not the structure of the game.

You're making it seem like there are rec heavy games when it's the total opposite. Recs aren't what's keeping those games running.

Hard rock might have trouble getting the 10/10/25 going but so what. The "smaller" game has way more action and bad players than the Aria game. And I'm talking actual action not 2 euros at Aria with 50 blinds effective getting all in aces vs a double suited rundown and running it twice.

This is spot on.

The regs there in general have zero social awareness,self awareness or understanding of what makes for a fun game.

It's actually amazing that I've had several regs tell me how this "false advertising" is good for the game. They've told me when you try to get a 10/10 game it won't go.

Yes bc rec players mostly don't want to play it knowing it's really 10/10/20 (players are used to straddle especially plo).

Opens being over 5x the entry level game one stake below isn't inviting new players to the game. You need the gap to be a lot closer than that.

They absolutely don't understand that while you can bamboozle someone, for the most part you can only bamboozle them once. Tricking someone isn't a long term solution.

And they still haven't figured it out. If I'm there for a week I'll see probably 10-15 Vegas locals playing 1/2 plo- none of whom are any good. And they used to play 5/5 regularly and stopped when it basically became 5/5/10/20.

Stakes wise I'd love to play a 10/10/20 game. But it's pointless when you don't have a player pool for it and it just leads to a reg fest.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38/om...

Aria 5/5/10 "Optional Straddle" is it optional or not?

"Stakes wise I'd love to play a 10/10/20 game. But it's pointless when you don't have a player pool for it and it just leads to a reg fest."

The problem if they have 10 10 20 is they would put the straddle on. I avoid 25 25 because I don't want to play 25 25 50

The 10 10 25 in Hollywood is awesome when it does run. They won't allow a straddle, buy ins are 1k to 5k.

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Is there a stable of players running at the moment for PLO games? Anyone know?

Yea that's my point.
I should have been clearer. I meant 10/10 on the board which would then play with a straddle and would effectively be 10/10/20

Recs need to play what they're comfortable with. It's not rocket science but amazingly a ton of pros don't understand this at all.

And lot of recs all over like to play with a ten dollar straddle. That's just the way it is. I wish more wanted to play bigger but they don't.
5/5 games in general for plo play 5/5/10.

If you put it on the board as 5/10 it becomes 10/20 and you lose a lot of people.

Aria between the rock and the 20 that's almost always on have effectively taken out the normal game above the entry level game that exists basically anywhere else with plo.

The 1/2 doesn't get a lot of straddles. The 5/5 is mandatory double straddle. So you either play small or you play huge.

That's why I think a 2/5—$300–1,500 buy-in, straddle up to $15 from any position (with priority UTG)—would be great.

The only way to fix the issue is to ban straddles at 5 5 10 like they did in Florida and / or add a 2 2 5 game that also allows straddles. The pros there know that their hourly rate goes up currently with a straddle. If it's 5 5 10 the rate goes down compared to 5 5 10 20. IMO

The regulars there will exploit the situation to their advantage as long as it exists as it's currently set up. It's amazing that I see guys playing 1 2 when they could afford to play 5 5 10 but they won't do it because they can't afford the straddle, probably due to peer pressure or fear of bullying.

But if you're bankrolled to play 5 5 10 20 and can deal with short stacks, it can be a very profitable setup. I'm wondering how much the best regulars are making in the game. I'm guessing 250 to 400 per hour. AT 5 5 10 it would be half that, so I can see why they don't like it when someone won't straddle there. It's costing them short term money. There's guys making 10K per week in those games or close to it, so it seems.

What about 2 2 with a 5 dollar rock?