The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

Of course you cant answer a dimple question was Trudeau a good PM ? Simple yes or No

from the guy that blamed Harper 4-6 years later. Here is the reality the decisions he made in his 10 years like giving Stalantis billions and then having them pull a plant out of Canada lies on Trudeau and what conditions they placed on those grants

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome

Lmao when you have as much hate as lozen does, it is REALLY hard on you when he’s gone. I get that you are desperate to steer the conversation ever into your favourite topic but wrong thread buddy

Yes my hate of Trudeau is shocking its not like you see any hate of other leaders here 😀

Yes I hate Trudeau for destroying what once was a great country

Can't answer simple questions .

The reality is if you think Trudeau did a good job than how can you disparage those that think Trump is doing a great job . Me not being one as you may think

Lmao at still trying to get me to talk about Trudeau. My buddy really thinks he is Poilievre during question period with yes/no question bit.

Did you see the hilarious bit on rosie the other day where she is asking Poilievre about yet another conservative defection, and Poilievre tries to say well look at his mean words about the liberals last week and rosie says well yes but often MPs are given scripted talking points.

LMAO.

They are paid to read those talking points. You are not.

I will say about Trudeau he handled a floor crossing far more graciously in 2018 and wishing her well than Poilievre is doing now.

speaking of question period I was bored and watched this week and carney walked out in i think protest. is this normal?

every prime minster ever has accumulated more debt then the previous that's how the economy works. That's a poor argument. Add on a record setting term and its not that surprising really. A conservative decade would have been at least 90% of that if were being honest. The problem is they are still spending and accepting immigrants like its the golden age of Canada still but no one can get elected to spend like its the dark age were about to experience.

I think capitalism just can't exist if graph don't go up so were forced to do this.

That's not what he said. He said Trudeau accumulated more debt than ALL prime ministers combined which is true. That's not ''how the economy works''. It's infinitely worse when you consider how little our economy grew during all that spending. He has spent the most and has had the worst economic growth record of any PM.

Essentially what Trudeau has done is spend a ****ton of money, put us in a ****ton of debt and made all our lives measurably worse.

The 90% number is what ever, who knows, certainly not you but I agree that it really doesn't matter who leads Canada. We're saddled with piss poor politicians who are mostly controlled by big corporations, yay lobbyists! That's just the reality of North-American politics.

Immigration will always be the perfect example. Absolutely nobody voted for this mess we're in yet somehow we're in it and even though Canadian youth are struggling to find jobs, we're STILL approving LMIA's for Tim Hortons. Make it make sense.

You sure are obsessed with Pierre and yeah he was not happy what Mah did was disgusting . He voted against the budget posted all the talking points from the party than attended the Conservative Party accepted a gift and the next morning crossed over to the liberals and attended their Christmas Party.
Personally I have little respect for any floor crossing the people voted you in as a either a conservative, Liberal or NDP and if your not representing that party resign your post or at the least sit as an independent

Lets not forget you say Trudeau handled floor crossings better but damn if you speak the truth about Justin and are a women you get kicked out of the party

Will see how Pierre does at the leadership review sadly I think he survives but does Carney really want him gone

This is fairly debatable. Go back to 2021 or so as the pandemic is ending. Remember the massive labour supply crunch that resulted? Industry after industry were really struggling. And politicians of all stripes, were clamouring to help relieve the supply side pressure with more immigration? That basic **** like having people to pick agricultural products in jobs you would never ever do were struggling to fill those positions? And we had a 2021 election where people voted back in Trudeau?

With hindsight, now almost everyone believed they overcorrected (all the histrionics from certain types are pretty telling), which then led Trudeau and more so Carney to tighten the screws on immigration in many categories, including TFW and international students. The Canadian economy of course relies on lots of immigration (one projection was showing under current policy we would get population DECLINE). There is still a huge clamouring from TFW from workers, but it is a vastly more restrictive environment today than it was 3 years ago.

But he was ELATED when Leona Alleslev crossed the floor to the CPC in 2018 and the conservative rolled out the red carpet to welcome her. Why was none of this "disgusting" rhetoric used then? Hold on, hold on, hold on, is it possible Poilievre actually is just a ****ing hypocrite and you lapped up his talking points? At least Trudeau had grace and wished her well at the time, polar opposite of Poilievre's reaction.

As an MP you are required to vote with your party and endlessly repeat the same set of talking points Poilievre writes for you. It's theater. To be a member of the CPC is to act a character in the theater. That he said the required words Poilievre demands you say isn't any indication he believed them. We can never know 100%, but I'd say the narrative rings much truer that Ma is standing up for what he actually believes is the right approach when he left Poilievre in the dust.

I may have missed this but did Trudeau run on opening the immigration floodgates and loosening all restrictions? I certainly do not remember this at all.

I've never had an issue with TFW coming in and doing work that Canadians won't do. I live around wineries, I see this every summer. I have an issue with mass unfiltered immigration with the majority being from 1 country and more specifically 1 region.

Can you explain why we are STILL approving LMIA's in industries that don't need foreigners. Want to explain to me why unemployment rates are as high as they are and we are still approving temporary foreign work permits to fast food restaurants in major urban centers. Seriously, please explain it to me.

This is politics in a nutshell. Say ''with hindsight'' a lot and add an apology to it and all is forgiven. Yet when we were saying for years that we don't like what's happening to our social fabric because of mass immigration we were being called xenophobes. For years we were told mass immigration doesn't affect housing, now they finally admit it does.

Remember when Canadians were considered the most welcoming people? Now we're all racists. What happened Uke?

Again, absolutely nobody voted for this.

I think I have been clear I do not support any floor crossings you were elected to represent one party . Like I said I do not get your obsession or as you with Pierre he is irrelevant and only the leader of the opposition whom I think would lose in a general election

- actually that how the economy grow.
we live in a debt monetary system and has the economy grow (aided by inflation) debt goes higher too.

- again he spend more because its a nominal value with inflation and a worldwide crisis in covid.
like harper did in 2008 with the gfc tho we were lucky we didnt get hit hard at that time (which btw is why we have a very expensive housing market today...we never had a correction.)

- trudeau has spend a tons of money but who didnt during covid ?

Canada is still in a very enviable situation compared to all the countries in the world.
Could of it been better, yes.
with 20/20 insight, everything is easier.

yup that was obviously dumb to believe that crap.
as if increase in demands wouldnt affect price to the upside....
that was a big woke insanity talking point.

I doubt you expressed any moral condemnation when it benefited the CPC. Regardless, the point is that Poilievre and the CPC were joyful at the time and didn't say anything against it but feigning outrage now. He is this hypocrite, even if you somehow aren't.

Lol, "only" the leader of the opposition. It makes a million times more sense to critique the current leaders of Poilievre and Carney than it does to be endlessly relitigating **** form 10 years ago. The political debate right now is to elect Poilievre or Carney in the next election. OF COURSE we should critique them!

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They didn't loosen all restrictions, so no. But yes, immigration targets in all the categories are clearly published year by year. You are probably just ignorant on the policies. In agricultural work, some industries can get up to 20% of their workforce because seasonal food processing is extremely low on domestic labour supply. That's the biggest group of people you are complaining about. In cities, the restrictions are much higher. Firstly, there is a cap of 10% not 20%. Secondly, it is only in urban areas where unemployment is under 6%. Finally under the 2024 reforms the work permits are down to 1 year as opposed to the previous 2 years, with the validity period recuded down to 6 months without reapplication. There are increased penalities for misuse than before, and applicants have to come from outside Canada (i.e. you can't come to Canada then kinda slide into such a gig). So no, "loosened all restrictions" is completely false, in fact they were tightened by the Liberals in recent years.

Well the Liberals mostly agree with you, hence why the emphasis on the TFW program is on sectors like agriculture. Of course, there often is labour shortages in low end jobs like dishwashing etc and so it hasn't been reduced to absolutely zero in any urban areas, just much more restricted.

Your post reads more as just being upset at your imaginary strawmen of what names people call you than any actual grounding in policy on what is happening on the ground.

This is just stupid. Every party released an immigration platform in both 2021 and 2025 (and before). Canadians saw the outcomes and voted. Remember, it was CONSERVATIE politicians who were joining the fray in 2021/2022 calling for increases to the labour supply, this was quite bipartisan.

I have no clue whom your talking about that crossed the floor and when. Let me be clear I do not support any politician crossing the floor. Resign and lets have a Byelection

Pierre has zero impact on current policy or past though and the decisions and policies of Trudeau will impact generations to come .

Well you might be purely ignorant. But I can assure you your conservative buddies were VERY happy to accept it when it favoured them. You can still call them out for their hypocrisy.

That's not true at all. Of course the opposition and its policy stances make a significant impact. Nobody thinks it is close to as influential as the government itself, but it also isn't zero impact. For instance, take Poilievre's incessant lies about the carbon tax that made it politically unviable and Carney felt he had to cancel it. That matters. And of course political conversations today SHOULD critique Poilievre for his weaknesses (such as being hypocritical about floor crossers) because his party is neck and neck going into a future election.

No he had no impact as the Liberals were working with the NDP so he could not block anything and he spoke the truth about the carbon tax it had no effect on climate change and it was nothing more than an income redistribution program .

And yes Climate change is real 😀

Didn't I literally just say I don't have an issue with those workers? I live around wineries, the area is filled with temp workers during the summer. Then they go back home, as they should.

Labor shortage just makes 0 sense with our unemployment rates. This shouldn't be hard to understand. Yes, no Canadian wants to pick grapes for wine, plenty of Canadians will wash dishes while in school or work at Tim Hortons. There is 0 reason for a Tim Hortons in Toronto to have ANY foreigners on their payroll, you really going to try and convince us otherwise?

Canadians en masse are reporting difficulties finding jobs, multiple MPs have addressed the TFW/LMIA issues in parliament in recent weeks and here is Uke telling us it's not true.

As expected, none of this happened. Politicians never denied immigration affects housing and politicians(Trudeau included) never called anyone a racist or xenophobe for anti immigration sentiments.

I never denied politicians on both sides are influenced(controlled) by lobbyists. We all know why they flood the country with cheap labor that's willing to sleep 6 in a bedroom.

You don't seem to have processed.....reality. Let's contrast:

[quote=pablito droning on]loosened all restrictions[/quote]

So no, there was not unfettered loosened all restrictions. Yet there appears to be absolutely zero acknowledgment in your follow up that the Liberals actually TIGHTENED restrictions over the last ~2 years.

But that's most of them! TFW make up a substantial (like 20% or so) percent of the workers in a bunch of agricultural jobs, which is most of the TFW program. The archetype you are talking about of like urban low end hospitality/restaurant type jobs is far lower, something like 4% of the positions going to TFW, quite a bit below the absolute max cap of 10% (that only applies in jurisdictions with low <6% employement). So like sure, if you want to be FURIOUS that 4% isn't 0% ok fine. Be mad about that. I won't try to convince you. But you can't pretend this is some unfettered immigration taking all the jobs.

Then why are you whining about people allegedly calling you racist and xenophobic? It just seems like pathetic projection.

In what world would I ever give credit to the Liberals for trying to clean up the mess they created and btw, doing a piss poor job at it. The numbers are still far too high.

That is exactly what it is. Don't take my word for it, just listen to MPs on both sides addressing exactly this issue with the minister of IRC. Just like the likes of you will deny the rampant abuse of the LMIA system that's now being debated by MPs on both sides, they're finally coming around and asking to scrap the program as a whole. When will you pull your head out of your ass and admit this?

Sarcasm you dildo. That's exactly what happened.