[ClubWPTGold] Unofficial Thread

It's anyone else getting this message when trying to start the app on their computer? I've been getting it since the update on Monday. Not the biggest tec person tbh.

I had that as well. Ignored it a few times and it still let me play normally. However after a few times I followed the link and downloaded the thingy. Went away after that

I'm trying to figure out how much rake I'm paying per hour on this site 4 tabling 1/2/4 PLO and 1/2 PLO.

Let's say one guy was 19/10, one person was 39/24, and another guy was 28/17

It's 6-dollar cap on both games is that correct?

I feel like I'm paying about 100 dollars an hour in rake. Also, I have to pay to use the time bank for more than 10 seconds, and also to check hole cards from time to time.

PLO and NL rakes is the same?

Is it even possible to beat these games with high VPIP with the current rake structure?

You really think that developers coded you to lose? They make a ton without shenanigans.

Anyone who thinks the developers of this site could rig it even if they tried needs to have their head examined. This site has the crappiest, buggiest software known to man. Fixing the software would make them much more money than rigging the games for some miniscule increase in rake.

I disagree about the software.

I prefer this site's software over most other sites for the software, including wsop, coin poker, and ACR.

Yes, there are some bugs, but once that's fixed, the basic software is great to play on IMO

Wait why is the software bad? I like it. Saying Global is better is insane. Those slow chip drags lol Global's software is terrible.

More importantly can someone please explain the 9 days thing? If I play on my 10th day is that money earmarked/tainted forever and unable to be withdrawn? Or if I "play through it" I can cash it out?? Thanks.

And whoever said you weren't able to cash out and it was gray'd out or w/e, all good now?

It costs ~$40k to get a full enterprise application coded in India. Your assumption that the existence of non-priority, non-revenue impactful bugs equates to ineptitude is wrong.

We need to put this argument to bed once and for all. Plenty of sites have had exploit / cheating scandals in the past. "They have enough money - why would they want more" is an argument easily put to bed with "Greed". There's no shortage of massive companies who ruined an amazingly profitable business to squeeze out a tiny bit more profit. Just look at anything private equity touches (kinda tongue in cheek there).

That people spend hours upon hours trying to figure out how to win another 2bb / 100 - but don't believe that companies would do the same is just crazy. The MASSIVE entire table game industry - upon which all of Vegas was built - operates on relatively slim margins - as do sports books. A percentage point or two here or there, in an unregulated environment is nearly imperceptible to players, and these companies have all the incentive in the world to take advantage of every possible edge - particularly in the face of ever changing regulations which may limit the time they have to operate.

I'm not saying all online poker is rigged. Not at all. Even if it was, there would still be plenty of winners and players who would never feel the impact of those few extra percentage points.

BUT - to deny the motive and the ability and completely disregard thousands of years of evidence of human greed seems like a mistake.

Almost everything humans touch becomes corrupted by greed and money. But for some reason poker players think that poker site operators are more virtuous than the Pope. I’ll never understand lol.

It’s not like the developers would be making code alterations to single out a certain player.

Systems that force the majority of a player base to sit around a 50% winrate are standard in competitive gaming nowadays.

Another caveat is that ClubWPTGold is actively trying to “gamify” poker. Unregulated Poker as a form of online gambling is not legal in the United States so their entire business model literally depends on creating a form of poker that is by definition not online gambling.

Understood. There has no doubt been massive cheating from insiders to collusion. Have not seen an iota of proof about rigging RNG, especially against low-limit players who log the vast majority of complaints.

Of course it is possible. Need a lot more proof than my Aces were cracked.

Lower limits compromise the vast majority of the player base so it makes sense that they log the vast majority of complaints. I myself am not too worried about rigged RNG but I don’t discount the possibility based off 0 logic and reason.

Sure. Totally reasonable.

One factor to consider is the willingness of WPT to "reimagine" ethics for profit in the form of paying to see another players hole cards. Or making extremely short decision times and charging for an extended clock.

Not proof of rigging by any means - but certainly evidence of the way they think about their business.

I agree it is a non-zero chance of rigging the RNG.

And WPT is pushing the envelope with their training site and California days nonsense.

Need a lot more proof than anecdotal stories from individual players.

Can you point to any federal law in the US that actually makes online poker illegal? ChatGPT says that no such law exists. There are definitely some states that have such laws, and they would not have needed to institute those laws if the federal government already had made the practice illegal.

AFAIK there are 8 states that allow regulated online poker.

The UIGEA makes it illegal for banks to have transactions with illegal gambling sites. It does not define poker sites as being illegal. Because banks do not want to risk losing everything, they stay away from gambling sites. That does not make them illegal.

My cashout from Dec 30 made it to my bank today in California. GL to all, don't see the site being too good much longer.

Ok? I’m not a lawyer and I’m not here to argue semantics. What is your point? If you’re playing poker in America in 42 of the 50 states you’re playing unregulated poker. Is clubwptgold jumping through all these hoops for the fun of it?

Again, very fair. That said - there has been more undisputed proof of rigging, cheating, botting, collusion, etc. in the history of online poker than there has of honest, fair, 3rd party verified RNG.

the only people who take time to write this junk are losing players. get good fish

Can someone please explain the CA play through thing?

Hypothetical: I play a 10th day and win $500. Can I "play through" that profit and cash out later or is that profit somehow earmarked and unexchangeable?

And if we can play through it, then is this CA news even a big deal?

Money won on the 10th day is not redeemable for cash outs.

This is genius from the WPT that they are allowing CA to play 9 days per month so you guys can still get some access to play 9 days out of the month.

Money won after the 10th day is redeemable for cash outs during the first nine days played in the following month with a caveat that you play through what you won. Not sure if that means you have to wager the amount or a contribution rake formula.

Wicked that they force you to play on the site in order to cash out.

None of this sounds legal, but welcome to unregulated poker colliding with interpretation of state laws.