Venezuela

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/05/us/tr...

No we ****ing don't. You say the most obvious statements and act like you're some kind of genius.

For some reason, you're incapable of grasping that common ideas don't need to be explicitly stated and repeated constantly for them to exist. You act like you're saying something at all substantial by going, "Actually, there are other factors..."

At this point, I think you honestly have a learning disability or something. Your inability to grasp the simplest notions of nuance or hyperbole is staggering. But then occasionally, you'll suddenly be able to understand these concepts when pressed on your own beliefs and actions.

ok glad we agree that this doesnt just reduce to #TrumpBad.

Russia didn't accept NATO encroachment because they didn't want lawless mass murderers having strategic command over territory so close to Russia. You want me to kill some Russians? I'm too old for the military now I guess but for my entire life including now I would 100% be for the use of force against Russia if they toppled the Mexican government, started training the Mexican army to their standards, and set up military installations on the Yucatan.

Russia is not going to open themselves up to the kind of shenanigans we saw executed against Venezuela (or worse). I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why any U.S. citizen who doesn't get money directly from the proxy war against Russia, could not see this clearly. If you work for Boeing, ok you are slime but at least I can see that you are advocating for your own interest. But if you're like a plumber or a developer or whatever and you are just walking around willfully ignorant of who the aggressor is in the U.S. - Russia proxy war I actually feel sorry for you because you are simply functioning as a tool of some immoral person's mind. You have to be zombified to just not register NATOs actions as pure first aggression.

I certainly buy into the idea that Russia believes they had to invade Ukraine to protect itself. And they certainly are in a better position to know than you or I.

Apologies for beating a dead horse, but what about the Yucatan analogy of mine is failing for you? A foreign country destabilizes Mexico, starts training Mexican army (but the Ukraine army was a serious army to start with), and then sets up military installations in places in Mexico close to us. This is what we did to Russia and that is irrefutable fact. If Russia did the same but in Mexico would we not have the right or at least the legitimate security imperative to invade Mexico and deal with these hypothetical Russian forces? I'm anti war generally and I would be 100% for military action against Russia in that scenario.

Maybe a better way to pose the question: Does Mexico have the right to invite a foreign adversarial power into their country and setup hostile military installations pointed at us? Are we supposed to respect Mexican sovereignty in that scenario, even though we know said foreign power interfered with their internal politics through spy and state craft?

This has nothing to do with what I said. Ukraine had nukes and gave them up for a promised peace. This was before North Korea had nukes. No country will ever willingly give up nukes.

Your assessment of NATO is pretty funny given that Russia already had NATO countries bordering it and since the war, has had more countries join or want to join NATO, and also Putin tried to join NATO. You guys just get really confused on very basic facts about history because it’s always this evil America vs everyone else narrative.

Deuces/Victor trying really hard right now to make even the last person understand that they are the same guy...

I find it highly unlikely for a number of reasons

>Mods have access to IP addresses
>Both have extensive forum histories
>Their writing styles are completely different and their goals/desires are also different

Ya, I'm not sure how the US haters are glossing over this fact.

I don't interact w/ many of them, and have had a lot of them on ignore for years. Do any of them ever acknowledge that if the US wasn't the current empire, who the other two likely imperial powers would be? I have the tiniest, little bit of curiosity if they've ever thought beyond step one, but somehow I doubt that.

No, Putin's stated reason for invading Ukraine is that he doesn't think it should exist as a separate entity from Russia.

This is not correct. Russia is not an imperial power, and China is a rising power. The current hegemony is the US, by a wide margin. It is in decline, but it is still the current hegemonic power, and they set the world standard in setting rules, underwriting security, and enforcing norms.

Could you elaborate on this? China was rising rapidly from around 2008 to 2019, but it wasn’t a huge concern. Since Covid, the opposite has been happening.

Twenty or more years ago, the U.S. was a far more aggressive, war-mongering, regime-changing power than it is today. But it's like putting body cams on the police - people are now more aware of what’s actually happening. Russia and China are exempt from that.

We’ve entered a doomsday-for-profit media world, but in reality, the world was falling apart much more in past decades than it appears now.

Well, we can all agree he's not leading the group now.

While there’s no point in engaging them in discussion, there’s merit in pointing out their lies and deceitful tactics.

I wish I had that kinda time to run pointless ID spoofing on a dying section of a poker website. Of course if I did I would do something else with that time. I mean, say I was under the delusion that anything anyone said online mattered. If so I'd spend 100% of my posting time on Twitter. Nobody here outside of some ziobots cares enough to carry out deceptions.

They are not the same person. And as you say, they don't even seem like the same person.

Obviously different but I think deuces is the best poster here.

I am shocked by this statement, especially coming from you.

Best as in entertaining and well spoken (written). Or best as in you think his worldview of evil (((Zionists))) pulling the puppet strings of the rest of the world is the accurate one. And radical Islamism and Communism will lead the world to a better place if we just take care of the (((Zionist))) problem.

Not sure why, you're literally on record saying the same.

Hes certainly entertaining and well spoken

Rickroll then Victor