Venezuela

It all makes perfect sense

The hyper leftists tend to sound the same just as MAGA tend to sound the same. People getting their talking points from similar and connected channels of propaganda and disinformation.

Which equates to using the Venezuelan people as pawns for geopolitical purposes. Venezuela can sell their assets to whoever they wish to, just like America can. I wonder what the excuse will be if your government decides to annex Greenland.

I figured that out years ago. But I left out a useful word. Which I added yesterday.

Sorry for the confusion. You were referring to t_d. I agree 100% that he is an excellent poster. I really enjoy reading his posts, in part because he is knowledgeable in areas where I am much less so.

Le kelhus casually agreeing to attack an ally, NATO member.

With friends like the USA, who needs ennemies?

We have to take Greenland from a NATO ally in order to counter the threat of radical Islam is a wilder take than I would have expected even from Trump.

If they can come to an agreement then I don't mind

Well, Russia and China are the more proximate threats operating in the region now. The threat of Europe descending into sectarian conflict is more down the road.

But looking forward it seems pretty silly and dangerous having a tiny European nation of 5 million people (and population decreasing rapidly) with no capacity or interest to project power controlling such a strategically important Western Hemisphere frontier.

But Europe's general dim future in the medium term is another factor to consider. Denmark isn't even in particularly bad shape as far as European countries go, as it has one of the more aggressive immigration control policies. But it is a tiny country with a dwindling population, so not too relevant either way.

I suspect things could and should have been handled more diplomatically, but we really dont know what was attempted before it got to this point.

Seems it would be in Denmark's best interest to defer control (in a more face saving fashion obviously) as all Denmark does with the land is pay welfare to the small population of indigenous population living there.

It's part of a tragedy for Europe that there may still be time to stop but it's getting very late. Nothing to do with Islam, this is about the world powers and the absolute folly of people talking about pieces of paper (or what is right) as if somehow they are worth a hill of beans without power behind them.

The EU needs to be able to stand up for itself as a power. Then it can realistically argue about treaties, pieces of paper etc. Brexit was a major catastrophe for the EU and for the UK. When we should have all been working together to make the EU something, we weakened it significantly and are wasting vital years/decades. It's not even clear that the USA would let Greenland join the EU if it tried to choose that path. The EU is no position to rely on anything but the USA being a good friend (that is not a strategy to put it mildly)

It's up to Europe. What do we want? Fine statements, pieces of paper and trolling aren't going to cut it. if we want to have a real say, preserve NATO, have the usa be a friend, stand up to putin, china etc then we need to get our act together.

Depends on how much coercion there is.

USA may well deploy the 'offer you can't refuse' technique. Does that count as an agreement?

an agreement implied an actual agreement not coercion

I agree. There is nothing I root for more as a freedom loving American than a strengthened, militarily viable Europe. At the end of the day, Trump’s second term has destroyed any chance for unipolarity to continue past this decade, and the sooner Europe admits that to itself the better humanity’s future will be.

Unfortunately it may be too little too late. They are anemic when it comes to AI development, which will be the most important battlefront when it comes to national, infrastructure, and cyber security going forward.

I only think it's too late because we're still not going for it. UK is no 3 in AI rankings. Combine that with Germany France etc etc and with an effort we have a decent shot. Same with just about everything. EU+UK (plus others) would be a very serious beast very quickly if it got it's act together. That's not all a good thing by any means but we have to face reality.

Divided we are ****ed.

I totally agree but that is almost certainly mean being against any 'agreement'. Highly unlikely Greenland is agreeing without coercion.

No ****. That's why I was baffled by a justification that was based on radical Islam in Europe.

and the usa.

If China and Russia are proximate threats in the region, why the **** is a country of 5 million people with no capacity to project power at all demanding control of strategic land that isn't even if the same hemisphere as their tiny country. What are we even doing here?

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2026/01/tr...

Trump is now implying that some kind of military action in Mexico is on the table. But of course it was Kamala and the Biden administration that were the war mongers.

Denmark isn't making any sort of demand here. It is rejecting a demand by the U.S. Also, LOLOLOLOLOL at invoking the "different hemisphere" argument just because Denmark is slightly past the prime meridian (just like part of the UK and most of France). Honestly, using that argument to make it sound like Greenland is much more proximate to the U.S. than it is to Denmark is pathetic and embarrassing.

I'm guilty for purposefully not mentioning the first part when discussing the other one in order to possibly cause a mild shitstorm for fun. I will apologize for that.

Has the US become incapable of negotiating security agreements now to alleviate their national security concerns? If so that’s a damning failure of the conservative project.

They are not demanding control of the strategic land. Greenland is free to declare independence from Denmark, but until they do, their political structure dictates that foreign policy is through the Danish crown. Since the monarchy is mostly ornamental, this means the Danish government in practice. If you want to be hawkish in your positions, you would better served by basic knowledge of the scenarios involved instead of believing random tweets made by idiots.

As has been explained prior in this thread, the US lack of ability to project force or influence in the arctic has nothing to do with your lack of Greenland, as you already have bases on Greenland and you are already in a military alliance where an attack of Greenland can be seen as an attack on you.

It has to do with 30-40 years of refusing to accept what arctic geography would come to look like, so when the waters are finally opening up you lack arctic-capable ships, icebreakers, trained personell and land-based and sub-sea infrastructure to secure your interests in the region.

Alienating other arctic nations and long-time allies will do nothing to improve this, but I guess it will allow for political fist-pumping and an illusion of strength.

Maybe I'm inferring wrongly here and if so, then you have my apologies in advance, but you appeared to be saying earlier that China can't have Venezuelan oil, ergo Trump admin is justified on making demands wrt who Venezuela can sell their assets to and that's the issue I have.

Greenland didn't seem that important to national security during the actual cold war when Russia was the Soviet Union, so it's a bit rich from Trump claiming it's all of a sudden important.

Not sure what radical Islam has to do with this specific discussion we're having, and no Trump also mentioned natural resources re Greenland so it's not just "national security".