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I’m very torn on the driving away part. While I agree that in this case it doesn’t seem like there was a danger here, I hesitate to say that fleeing the scene of a crime in a car can’t constitute use of a deadly weapon. Cars can obviously be used as weapons. She may not have intended it that way, but it’s never smart to flee people with guns and operating under the color of law
In a court of law, I imagine a cop is rarely convicted of murder in this scenario, so in that sense it falls under self defense.
The problem however, and one that deals with many controversial police shootings is the failure to take the safe route, sometimes by design. When a cop choose a more dangerous approach despite having a safer one available, they effectively create and often on purpose, create the scenario that justifies the shooting.
Basically, choosing to stand in front of a potentially dangerous vehicle when standing to the side was possible in order to put the deadly decision making on the driver makes you a bad person.
But everyone's conclusion, just like almost every other quasi close shooting will come down to who's team they support. It's all an ideological game.
The fact you could easily predict everyone's take on who they were going to blame is the why the world is turning to ****.
Ok. Show me some good thinking. Explain a plausible sequence of events to explain why Goode's "wife" was video taping the incident outside the car if the encounter wasn't premeditated.
And without missing a beat, he continues to regurgitate the watery **** his beloved maga cult funnelled into his brain.
But everyone's conclusion, just like almost every other quasi close shooting will come down to who's team they support. It's all an ideological game.
The fact you could easily predict everyone's take on who they were going to blame is the why the world is turning to ****.
Na man, I don't support cops killing people in marginal situations ever
I expect my heavily armed federal agents to not panic in situations they are supposed to be trained for.
Like, do you expect your aunt to handle a stressful situation better than a troop with a gun? What if the troop with the guns are the ones escalating the situation needlessly?
ICE officers get in a lot of high stress, high leverage confrontations with activists and other criminals, including getting run over a lot. Most of the time everyone goes home ok. But have enough high leverage confrontations and eventually something like this will happen.
If **** like this is happening hundred of times a day across the country (apparently it is) a bad outcome like this was inevitable.
It is actually kind of insane how much we have normalized leftist activists harassing and fighting with heavily police officers, and are shocked in the rare instances it goes bad. The situation you posted where the guy was wrestling the police officer for the gun also could have also gone bad. And there are thousands of instances every day that could go bad.
And every once in a while one of them will. It is statically inevitable at the frequency leftist activists are confronting heavily armed police offices.
But it is kind of wild the Democrat position is basically, "If you try to uphold laws we dont want you too, we will fight you in the streets, and if anything bad happens it is your fault."
That's fine, but you're still going to have marginal situations even under your own framework of what you personally consider justified. There obviously is no blanket approach for every scenario.
...Obviously this shooting was not really considered a marginal one.
I mean, there has been clean shootings where at least one person somewhere deemed it unnecessary according to their own beliefs. That doesn't mean whole lot.
ICE officers get in a lot of high stress, high leverage confrontations with activists and other criminals, including getting run over a lot. Most of the time everyone goes home ok. But have enough high leverage confrontations and eventually something like this will happen.
If **** like this is happening hundred of times a day across the country (apparently it is) a bad outcome like this was inevitable.
The maga diarrhea must be coming out of your ears by now....
By that "logic" all of the J6 "activists" who you love so much, must be criminals.
ICE officers get in a lot of high stress, high leverage confrontations with activists and other criminals, including getting run over a lot. Most of the time everyone goes home ok. But have enough high leverage confrontations and eventually something like this will happen. If **** like this is happening hundred of times a day across the country (apparently it is) a bad outco
The situation with the guy "wrestling" the gun did go bad. He took a point blank pepper blast to the face. I thought you watched it?
You guys wept in the streets over 2a and here we are with armed troops on sovereign soil harassing and killing citizens and you guys are suddenly expecting everyone to lick all the boots
"oh no, they are yelling at me"
The situation with the guy "wrestling" the gun did go bad. He took a point blank pepper blast to the face. I thought you watched it?
You guys wept in the streets over 2a and here we are with armed troops on sovereign soil harassing and killing citizens and you guys are suddenly expecting everyone to lick all the boots
You mean the sovereign soil that has literally been invaded, where traitors to the nation are fighting federal officers trying to uphold the laws of the land on behalf of the invaders, correct?
I mean last time I checked we were a nation with laws.
And yet the position of the Democrat party, especially in Minnesota is more or less, "**** your nation and your laws," and are encouraging people to form militias to fight federal offices for attempting to uphold the laws of the land.
Again, there is literally no other civilized nation with anything like this. Every other civilized country immigration laws are more or less followed. And certainly there are no major parties that brazenly defy the law, and encourage people to fight officers trying to uphold the law.
I mean last time I checked we were a nation with laws.
Your orange, child diddling god ignores them every single day.
Seriously, ask one of the Euros in this thread if there is anything like this in their countries. Of course not. They all have much stricter immigration laws, that are actually followed. And no party would ever encourage people to fight officers upholding said laws. And this is on top of much more stringent voting requirements than the US has.
We live in this crazy upside down world where someone is a "fascist bootlicker" for merely pointing out we are the only civilized nation that would consider it normal to encourage law breaking and voter fraud.
Now I will put you on the ignore list because you just can't help spewing the bs your Nazi god told you to spew.
Shooting women, tear gassing children, brandishing at protestors, all US citizens
"invaders"
In a court of law, I imagine a cop is rarely convicted of murder in this scenario, so in that sense it falls under self defense.The problem however, and one that deals with many controversial police shootings is the failure to take the safe route, sometimes by design. When a cop choose a more dangerous approach despite having a safer one available, they effectively create and o
I broadly agree with this. They chose the worst option, which was approaching aggressively and giving conflicting orders. One told her to drive off, another said to get out of the vehicle. I don’t know enough about the law to say that they do or don’t deserve criminal or civil liability in this situation, but I don’t think they have proper training in deescalation.
But everyone's conclusion, just like almost every other quasi close shooting will come down to who's team they support. It's all an ideological game.
The fact you could easily predict everyone's take on who they were going to blame is the why the world is turning to ****.
I mean there are certainly elements of politicization here, but it’s not obvious to me that I’m doing that. I argued for pages about the KR situation a couple months ago on the side of KR. If it was a case of clear justification I would just say that. You don’t get to do whatever you want to federal law enforcement because you have a moral objection to them.
Reuters did a frame by frame analysis:
The first shot is fired from the side of the car. Even if you think that’s ok he unloads a further 2 times from the side of the car as it is passing him!
US is in big poop. There will be no routine investigation into this as there would be in normal times. Instead Trump who
now controls the DOJ through the lackeys he installed will wave this through without due process. Not long now before you are truly screwed after the judiciary finally crumbles and the crime bill later this year.
Iran shuts down internet in crackdown on escalating protests
Iran restricted internet and phone access overnight in an escalation of its attempt to quell protests, after thousands of demonstrators appeared to take to the streets across the country, including the capital Tehran.
On Thursday, monitoring group Netblocks said there was a nationwide shutdown of the internet in Iran. Various efforts by Bloomberg to reach individuals in the country by landline and mobile phone failed. One Tehran resident said phone calls weren’t working at all or were cutting in and out, and SMS messages were heavily restricted.
Iranian authorities frequently resort to such tactics during periods of unrest as they seek to prevent people sharing images of state violence against civilians.
I’m very torn on the driving away part. While I agree that in this case it doesn’t seem like there was a danger here, I hesitate to say that fleeing the scene of a crime in a car can’t constitute use of a deadly weapon. Cars can obviously be used as weapons. She may not have intended it that way, but it’s never smart to flee people with guns and operating under the color of law
It is law enforcement in a civilian neighborhood, not a checkpoint in a war zone. You are not pressed for time. A car can be found and stopped later, and the person driving it can be issued whatever fines or charged with whatever crimes the laws holds for people driving away from a police stop.
Abject critical situations where we think it will be more dangerous to let the person get away, this is generally how we want to conduct law enforcement in western countries, it maintains the safety of everyone involves and still strongly encourages people to respect law enforcement.
Now, if you absolutely do need to stop vehicles then you need to have reasonable control over the area, control crowds and the position of bystanders, communicate properly and have everyone know where they are supposed to be and what they are supposed to do. This way you don't end up with confused drivers, people in front of moving cars, officers firing their weapons at moving vehicles or shots going in the direction of colleagues, bystanders or nearby houses.
Someone somewhere made this situation into an incompetently handled cluster****. If it was poor recruitment, poor management, poor training, poor procedures, poor planning, poor leadership, poor execution or poor awareness or any combination thereof is open for inquiry, but there is no indication that such inquiry will be neither held nor welcomed.
In the grander scheme of things this situation develops over a more worrying trend of US political leadership and by extension the executive branch' leadership over law enforcement agencies to portray demonstrations, dissent, activism and even mere political opposition as instigation, terrorism and treason. These are words that justify more violent approaches to law enforcement with less regard for the safety of people targeted. We also see in the aftermath of incidents like this one that the political and bureaucratic leadership of these law enforcement agencies double down on this rhetoric, lie about how the events unfolded and by all accounts seem pleased with the outcome of this situation.
Of course, in the American political climate they probably get away with. Much of your public seems perfectly happy with people killed by law enforcement, as long as it is "those other people".
I do agree with all of that. I’m just a bit cautious to be going full on into the idea of saying that there couldn’t be a situation where the only weapon someone has is a car, and there’s a justified shooting. I’m skeptical of the claim that it does apply to this situation, which is why I included the phrase “it doesn’t seem like there was a danger here”. That’s what I’m leaning towards myself.
From what little I was able to find about their power to detain people, it doesn’t seem they have any power to enforce any state or local laws whatsoever, and it doesn’t seem like they have a justification for beginning the seizure.
i think everyone agrees that her getting shot in the face is a horrendous outcome
i also think we'd all agree if our children and grandchildren came before us and asked our opinion on their plan to spend the following day blocking heavily armed and lightly trained federal agents with her car on public streets and if they chose to arrest her to flee the scene in their vehicle that we'd all try to urge some common sense into our loved ones and explain how dangerous that would be and suggest much safer manners in which to protest ice
i think that is lost on most people posting here
Translation:
"leftists, better comply when the Gestapo shows up!"
