Immigration in the west over the last decade have been

We've banned abortion, restored confederate symbols, greenlit ethnic genocide, and just kidnapped a foreign leader while openly saying we are jacking the oil of that country. I don't care what the polls say. This is, in effect, a Christian fascist nation.

Imagine if the Republicans weren't racist against Latinos. Most Latino immigrants aren't even catholic anymore but are Christian fundamentalists. If Republicans went pro Latino and pro immigration they would an unbeatable voting block which would lock us into the current Christian fascist moment for the foreseeable future. And the Latinos would do it too as the are, in truth, conservative Christians.

Then again, if Republicans weren't racist who would they be? Just a bunch of gay dudes? I kid, but in all seriousness, declining to invite Latina immigrants into a country where you are the dominant culture, in which few "natives" want anything to do with you, where they have the same religion as you, when you can't stop complaining about the dearth of trad women, and where you have more money and connections than the immigrants so have a huge leg up, is pretty gay (not that there is anything wrong with that). If I were a non racist straight white single republican I would be learning Spanish and making pro immigration appeals to all who would listen. But guys like Nick Fuentes and his groypers are into the trans on the dl apparently. Or are they just so racist they would rather date a feminine white dude than a sexy ass Latina?

I am pretty sure, during bidens last year, CNN had polls on how biden was handling the border and it was in strong NOT favor if it since it was CNN pundits who are supposed to be dems and whatnot saying it was a bit too chaotic and open for the American people

wether they are being controlled to say that or if the american electorate agreed with that is a dif matter, based on polling I would say people for whatever reason thought it was "too open"

no your not. nothing you did was for religion. it was for power. also I don't think you even read my posts with that rant it supports your hypothesis. South Americans sound like good immigrants (if they offer something of value) I never said people care about the religion of the immigrant because in your example Christians are against Christians . im saying they should care. I don't think your republicans care about the religion of the immigrant they don't want any.

Is every economic theory reliant on an ever growing population? I assume the big issue is younger working people are needed to support the benefits for the olds leaving the workforce and can't be top heavy Ruth those olds? There is no, even untested theory, that tries to solve this problem?

Sure there is. Automation and all the jobs going.

Not sure what they're called. Luxury Marxism or luxury fascism?

Always so sad and funny when extremely uneducated Neonazis talk about "GoOd ImMigranTS" and "vALuE"

By your own "logic" you are supposed to leave the USA today (not tomorrow)

This info points to the question where. Should a country import 100's of thousands of people from Somalia given that the selection process isn't merrit based? (Somalia is in the news therefore lots of data and discussions happening)

Are these numbers a lie? Deceptive? An anomaly? Is importing a random 100k people from Somalia significantly worse than other parts of the world? Or in the end do other places just have a head start and it'll all be the same in the end?

Disclaimer: these tweeters showed up in a search. I didn't search there entire post history and I'm not endorsing it. They showed up near the top of results with what looks like credible data that is easy to share. Thank you for your attention to this matter

Imagine sharing some random nazi jerk posts from twitter, treating them like real news and still talk about how other people are so so bad for the country....Supporting Trump is like being a zombie.

I'm not an economist, but off the top of my head, you could force people to work until they are very old. Or if your working age population increased productivity a ton, that would blunt the demographic impact of an aging population.

One point that ranges from a little or lot of credibility

The cost and difficulty of having kids vs the boomers is astronomical. Single income achieved a home and family. Now it's more difficult with 2. Now those boomers are old and many are rich through modest savings and home ownership.

The "rich" are happy to impot cheap labor. The cheap labor depresses the earning power of the average person. The average person can't afford a family as early or often. Population decline. Solution, import more cheap labor. Round and round you go.

We're going to need immigrants and a lot of them. Ideally, and this might come off the wrong way, we should choose immigrants from poor countries so that they can contribute to our age pyramid. But among those, choose ones which are amenable to integrating fully into our, for a lack of better word, culture. I do share some concerns about immigrants who come to the U.S. and try to replicate their home countries and keep to themselves. Then again, a lot of that is a reaction to the vibes they get from Americans. But I have to say that the Asians, most nationalities of them, have chosen to integrate fully, to the extent of forsaking first names from their language and choosing simple dumb English names like Bobby and Susie.

The Asian immigrants want to be friends and fit in. A lot of other immigrants seem not to want to be friends, but just be insular and reify whatever they had going on in their home countries. I gotta say, and I know it sounds conservative of me, but I'm not a huge fan of the latter while I'm a big fan of the former. You really don't see as much of a backlash against Asian immigrants as Latino, even though, racially, a lot of Latinos are just slightly darker white people. Is this because of the friendliness of the Asians? I think so, but I'm not sure.

If Latinos were friendlier and more willing to fully integrate would it make a difference in how they are perceived by Americans? I know there are problems with this criticism. For one thing they aren't that far away and have been here the whole time so why expect them to make conforming efforts? Also, asking people to be friendly to the typical American is a lot. We're basically a bunch of aholes. Still, the Asians do it and I think it has worked well for them.

Not to mention, the racism is still a problem with the die hard xenophobic crowd. The El Paso Walmart shooter (shot 45 killed 23), in his manifesto, cited the integrating of Latinos into the mainstream as his motivation. He was appalled at the prospects of Latinos going to college, being white collar professionals and all that entails. A certain swath of white America will just never accept anyone who doesn't look like them because they are just super fearful super morons. But can some portion of the anti immigrant right be charmed with friendliness?

Where do you live? I live in a majority Latino state. You don't have a single insight into Latino immigration and integration that I would consider accurate.

I live in Chicago which is about 1/3 Latino last I checked. I don't consider what I said as hard and reliable insights. It's just what I casually observe in my individual and biased observations. Chicago is a very segregated place and that would certainly have an impact on perceived levels of integration and the orientation of different groups towards integration. We have this physical separation which can be conflated with intentions inside a given community but which is, to some degree, a remnant of a more racist past. I spend time in other places and I see similar patterns but I could be off here.

At the same time, I can't be told that Asian (or African too) immigrants are not more amenable to true social integration than Latinos. I think that is obvious.

I imagine I can't even get into the united states (legally) because I have nothing to offer. Honestly I would love to I wish my country was as strict on legal immigration. Idealy any immigrant would have a higher lifetime contribution like in the graph posted because they should be doing high demand high paying jobs like doctors that we don't currently have inhouse.

Ideally any country would invest in their own citizens to fill its needs instead of saving money by disempowering its own citizens and bringing in foreign labor. We should educate Americans to fill the jobs here, especially the highly skilled jobs. What we need immigrants for is the lower jobs and to give us a better age pyramid. Bringing in foreign labor in the higher income brackets won't achieve this.

Western civilization = population collapse. Elon Musk, who no doubt has people telling him about this, is begging white people to have children to stop it but that isn't going to work. Straight up paying people doesn't even work. Women who make money are going to act a certain way and we aren't going to put that toothpaste back in the tube (and we shouldn't try) so we have to adapt. The only solution to this fatal feature of The West is importing precisely the phenotypes that those most ideologically invested in the concept of The West don't want. You have to appreciate the irony of this situation.

Israel is a perhaps the one exception to the population collapse of the West. They should be able to maintain their healthy age pyramid but they have to worry about out migration. You've got these insane fascist settler women who see breeding as a weapon of war. They are pumping out kids like there is no tomorrow. They might not be the best kids.

The Palestinians do the same thing for the same reasons. They are just ahead of Israel by a few generations and started with a much more radicalized population. Israel still has a lot of sane, reasonable people. Palestine has extremely little left (most fled a long time ago), but Israel is on a trajectory to end up in the same place eventually.

The total and % increase of horrible, religious motivated populations on both sides is one reason of many there should be no expectation for peaceful coexistence.

"The womb of the Arab woman is my strongest weapon."
--Arafat

"Latino" covers a lot of ground. I live in Southern California so you are talking about Mexicans mainly.

You obviously have your working class Mexican "ghettos," but there are plenty of Latinos/Mexicans in gentrified areas living mostly assimilated lifestyles. The upper middle class area I live in I would guesstimate is 30% Latino. But it has never been my experience that Latinos/Mexicans are less friendly, or friendliness is holding them back.

Where I live you also have plenty of insular Asian communities (Korean, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc.) where hundreds of thousands of people of a specific ethnicity/country all live together, mostly speak their native tongue in public, and the store signs are all mostly in the native language.

But in all these cases I would say people are generally friendly, and there is no issue going into these areas if you are a different race. You go to any restaurant in Korea Town and you are likely to find people of other races eating there.

This is greatly generalizing, but I would say the perception of Asians integrating better is solely due to intelligence/education. Becoming educated and going to school (grade school through college) with other educated, intelligent kids (of various races) just opens a lot of doors of opportunity and advancement in the US.

We're from the same neck of the woods and Latinos by and far assimilate amazingly ime. I've worked with central Americans that still spoke with a heavy accent, all their kids, who are now mostly off to college, I would consider just normal American kids, all speaking in gen z slang etc...
They probably mostly speak Spanish at home because of dad but I don't think this example of Latin American immigrants is so few and far between and similar to my grandmother speaking Italian in her household as a 2nd generation immigrant. I don't know what dueces is talking about.
I don't know how the republicans fumble the Latin vote, as they are more traditional values than pretty much anyone. I know Trump gained a lot of ground this time around and I don't think a ton of people are complaining about getting the border under control but sending ice to home Depot parking lots, restaurants, etc... is really going to lose him his gains and light a great opportunity on fire for the republican party to capture more Latin American votes.

I think some of this is we are way over-generalizing, and Asian, Latino and even white is covering a lot of ground.

Even in "white enclaves" I think there is a lot of variance based on local culture and class. The midwest was originally settled by Germans/Northern Europeans, which are more reserved cultures, so culture there is still more reserved. Very different than "white enclaves" in Texas or Louisiana or NYC.

Again, we are way over-generalizing, but the inter-personal "vibes" you are referring to I think are more of a class thing, than race thing per se. For all your cosplaying as a "revolutionary" it seems you are in the same general "class" as the rest of us on this forum, which I would imprecisely call the upper middle class educated professional class. And most of the Asians you come across are also probably generally in this class. And it is my observation that generally people in this class naturally "vibe" and are comfortable being around each other. And this "vibe" crosses racial boundaries and even language.

This is what immigration looks like in Canada.

It's just this left wing thing that can't be explained. Why do we need millions of people from the 3rd world? The only response we get is shut up racist. There's just this deep deep need to open the borders to the 3rd world that they can't explain

OK guys what's your plan? There is no plan

In my experience, integration into American society occurs at much the same pace regardless of country of origin. Integration is slow for the first generation and depends mostly on how good your English is. But the kids of immigrants almost always have much more in common culturally with other kids born in this country than they do with kids from China, Mexico, India, or wherever their parents came from.

Shut up racist.

What in fuck am I reading.

I kinda have a blind spot when it comes to upper middle class Latinos tbh. Weird.

I'm at best a would-be revolutionary. In my beliefs I'm radical but I'm not going to do anything suicidal until there are a lot of people in a movement with me. I'm not cosplaying I know what I am. I'm someone having a decent lifestyle under capitalism but who would vote it away if I could even if it meant a period of immense suffering during the transition. I like to think I would be willing to fight and die in a war to save the environment, but I need like a 20% chance of living through it. There isn't a .0001% chance of environmentalists winning that war right now. The best I can say I've done toward revolutionary movement is waste some time. You conservatives worry too much. You're getting everything you want from the creation of trillionaires, to constant war, to the destruction of the human habitat. No one is going to stop you because no one who opposes you is willing to kill and by the time they realize their mistake it will be too late. Don't worry, we are all locked into your death cult.