Immigration in the west over the last decade have been

Like I said, this is not my experience at all. I don't think of places like Flushing (i.e., neigborhoods in NYC with a lot of first and second generation Asian immigrants) as particularly friendly or unfriendly.

Yeah it could definitely be and my biased expectations. If you expect people to be friendly then you're going to be friendly and you will get friendliness back, and maybe the inverse is true too.

So the explanation as to why Asians are somewhat below the radar in all the anti-immigrant fever is just their lower relative numbers? Do you think if Asians were above 10 percent they would be in the crosshairs just as Latinos are now?

It's a fair question. I think the main reason is because you don't have the "flooding over the border" narrative. I assume that most Asians who are here illegally have overstayed visas.

I was tempted to say that Asian immigrants are more affluent, but for the first generation at least, I'm not sure that is true. In my neighborhood, a lof the people collecting cans, standing in line at soup kitchens, etc., are old Chinese people who obviously don't have any money.

That is surprising given how much respect they have for their elders . Your sure they just not cheap and out collecting cans

I think your odds are a lot better than you think, tbh. Maybe not now because a lot of people are still living the high life, but we are drawing live to a plethora of economic shocks and fights over resources - we see that now in other parts of the world.

Sure, the rich can still gun people down and control the narrative put you've got the catalyst for a lot more people than a tiny fraction that you have now to fight against it if it were to happen - the collective risk/reward just isn't there right now. Like I've said before, the Dems need a recession to win, which at some point will happen. You at least got Obama the last time that happened. I understand that the dems aren't your particular cup of tea but I think that it's part of the ingredients needed for change.

But instead of having to the endure massive suffering that you'd be willing to take in order to have the livelihood and world that you prefer, "ill ask you this if you wouldn't mind discussing. Instead of fighting, let's say you could temporarily control the minds of every human being on earth and have them make the decisions that you deem is best for the world at large, what decisions would you have them make and how would this new world operate under your conrol?

The Democratic party considers ballot access to a fairly moderate new deal democrat as an existential issue. Those in control of the party would rather see it destroyed than turn into something that can work for the majority. The more you vote for them the deeper you are digging this hole.

I'd make every anti-communist kill themselves. I don't consider myself a "tankie", but I find anti-communism to be the 1-1 trait with abject inhuman scum. They are all Hitler with lesser leadership skills.

But you mean how should we be behaving to make the world a better place. I'd ask every person to consider what they would do if every other person in the world was their clone and then do that when it comes to public affairs.

You want a policy? Every workplace bigger than 10 people has to vote on all significant categories of decisions affecting any private enterprise. We can't have the collective freedom of democracy if the places where we spend most of our time are dictatorships. Do you think a bunch of workers are going to vote in AI to replace them? They won't. Will they want some AI integration in order to stay competitive? Sure, so don't tell me democracy kills innovation, most of which comes from government anyway. CEOs would probably make 10 times the average worker, not 400 times. Or would the worker/voters just eventually be manipulated into reifying the exact system configurations we have now or worse? That could happen but that's the experiment I'd like to try.

Nice. Real nice.

Chinese Exclusionary Act was a thing.
China Initiative is a thing.
New Alien Land laws is a thing (in FL and TX at the least)
Visa restrictions is a thing.
Perpetual foreigner status is a thing.

Maybe Asian Americans not in the crosshairs of the main big guns (ICE) now but it’s just wrong to say they are not already being targeted.

DM is falling into this model minority myth trap. He thinks because Asian Americans have had better economic outcomes, they must have been fine. “They are rich so they must has not been discriminated against (as badly.)” bullshit logic that’s been lobbed at Jews for millennia.

The myth is not even up to date. Modern Asian immigration has a lot more working class people who demonstrate similar socio economic mobility as their Hispanic counterparts.

PS: Flushing is still by and large a working class immigrant neighborhood with a ridiculous amount of foot traffic. I don’t know why anyone would think it’s more or less friendly than any other such neighborhoods. It’s just not.

PS2: it’s a studied phenomenon that many Latinos (like Italians just a few decades ago) blend in so well people perceive them to be “white”. Asians, due to appearance alone, will never get that treatment.

Republicans are reactionaries (in the historical sense) and Democrats are the conservatives (in the historical sense) in modern political landscape.

First recession will probably destroy the Democratic Party with the progressives trying to take over, causing hilariously bad losses across the board. Arguably we saw a preview of this already in 2024.

I am assuming you don’t mean the mild barely qualified sub 6% unemployment recession (vibecession I read somewhere, and arguably we didn’t even get a recession since Covid) we’ve been experiencing. There hasn’t been a true recession that would trigger a political reset since the 2008 crisis, even that was pretty mid by historical standards.

If Trump gets his way with the Fed, we just might have enough for that true recession, which for modern sensibilities, will feel like an absolute catastrophe.

Correct. If anything, it probably would strike a rural person as not particularly friendly simply because there are a lot of people busily moving from point A to point B.

That's crazy you must be like 300 years old. Religion plays a huge part of it. The west is way ahead of getting ride of it so when you inject it back in its not so great

The experiment has been tried countless times. It doesn't work. Your model of human sociology and psychology is just wrong. Collectivism has had enough chances under a lot of different circumstances. It just doesn't work for **** Sapiens for a variety of reasons. But the fundamental reason is genetic.

The animals it works with best (social insects) have a completely different genetic structure. Everyone in the commune is basically a sister.

I was making a comment about whether immigrants from certain areas integrate more quickly than immigrants from other areas. How does that make me 300 years old?

If we're sending people on a one-way trip to colonize a distant planet, we're not going to tell them to just laissez-faire it when they get there. Probably wouldn't even allow large scale free enterprise.

Not that I'm advocating for communism but saying that petri dish of successful implementation of political systems - Russia - couldn't make it work isn't much of a counter since they've never been able to make anything work. I'm sure the West would make a much better go of it, especially sans the competition.

I think a particular issue there is that killing about 70% of the world's population to meet a desired economic preference could backfire - considering that it also doesn't really follow suit with asking every person to consider what they would do if every other person in the world was their clone.

But let's say you trim some fat and do that. The other issue is that we've seen a lot of examples of factionalism where the group splits into smaller subgroups only for the internal conflicts to become more severe. We've seen that with the forums around here and several nations in the 20th century.

In short, there is a psychological aspect that powers this drive and you're almost a guarantee to find yourself at odds with hating something within the remaining group that easily supersedes the 5 billion or so that are dead.

I think it may be a bit too optimistic to assume that we solidify down to a certain group and everything just runs smoothly from there - this of course ignores any potential qualms of killing billions of people to improve the life of people.

Fortunately in the West we can't be sent to prison work camps or get summarily executed for our political beliefs.Those inaliable rights can't get voted away by the communist moral busibodies because of the Constitution. By way of socialist constitutions the collective has the final say in regard to individual rights and duties. The commies tend to leave that part out of their brochures.

thats when a lot of European groups like the irish and Italians integrated. Even alot of asian ones tbh. I just sort of mean a single persons sample size is meaningless anyway and theres no way its true. Theres no way a muslim from somolia is integrating at the same speed as an atheist from Edmonton .

Sure, but that isn't just a product of religion. It's also because the atheist from Edmonton is 100% fluent in English and grew up in a culture that is closer to American culture than any other culture in the world. In any case, my point about the second generation stands. That Somali person's kids will have a lot more in common with other American kids than he will with kids in Somalia.

If we put the fdr era world back into play overnight--conservatives would undoubtedly call it full on communism. And yet, for the most part, reg working people were getting essentially the best they've ever had it in this country. It was only really once we tried to include the people basically being left out that the other forces, knowing it would essentially take another bite out of them, went balls to the wall tearing it all down instead.

I was speaking more towards small 'c' communism, as opposed to big C. The model that DM advocates for human organization has been experimented with a lot, and just doesn't work very well; and even when it does seem to work in small sample (Israel Kibbutzes for example) it doesn't scale up very well or last very long.

During the industrial revolution Russia had a lot of potential to become a dominant world power. High IQ, high educated population, abundant natural resources. Biggest obstacle was lack of easily navigable warm water ports. Giant 'what if' counterfactual how the 20th century plays out if it Russia doesn't go Communist and spend 100+ years kicking itself in the balls.

Lol. (double lol "High IQ"). Russia was far behind Europe. The elite in Russia were largely German and pretty much all spoke French and that was a small elite. Russians generally were uneducated and many were literally slaves - serfs were bought and sold.

Lenin originally thought the revolution in Russia wasn't meant to be the full communist revolution because the workers were supposed to rise in the most advance industrialized country (according to Marx) and that was obviously Germany.

It's a testament to USSRs success that a backwater also ran became the second most powerful country on Earth and did things like put the first person in space and all after about 20% of their population died in the war. USSR, of course, had lots of failure and ultimately failed and for lots of reasons, but someone in 1800 or 1900 would never have predicted Russia's position in the world from the 1930s through about 1980.

The undocumented, as a class, in the USA, do a lot of the building and cleaning and agriculture and a lot of the nursing and basically everything that's hard and necessary for stupid ungrateful people like you to have such an easy life.

I should have specified that when I meant anti-communist I didn't mean all the brain washed people who think communism is brutal authoritarianism imposing uniformity in thought and action in the population (kinda like what we are headed towards now under capitalism). I mean people who feel a calling deep in their soul to kill everyone who wants to use cooperation to and universal rights to uplift and sustain human potential so that they can exploit others instead. You might be anti-communist but you're not anti-peace and fairness.

Getting rid of these people would help tremendously. Capitalism gives these people the fast track to dominate us. We are being dominated by a class of personality types using concentrated capital as their vehicle.