Immigration in the west over the last decade have been
Just wanted to start a poll and get people's opinions on immigration over the last decade. This includes both legal and
I should have specified that when I meant anti-communist I didn't mean all the brain washed people who think communism is brutal authoritarianism imposing uniformity in thought and action in the population (kinda like what we are headed towards now under capitalism). I mean people who feel a calling deep in their soul to kill everyone who wants to use cooperation to and univers
A general observation that Orwell made that has seemed to stand the test of time is that authoritarian left wing systems are easier for sociopaths to take control of and corrupt to their own ends than capitalist democracies.
This is narrative crafting using something very narrow to rationalize something much larger and more complex
Rich People's lives are also made much easier from things like slavery, child labor, or getting really cheap goods from the miserable working conditions in communist China.
Undercutting your own labor force isn't as simple or beneficial as your post makes it out to be
What do you mean by "undercutting your own labor force"?
Be specific, quote sources, and gives us what you think are the exact implications of your statement
How does civilian unemployment being up 10% in the last year under Trump support your thesis?
Do you have one single piece of evidence that supports your claims? Are you simply operating on "vibes"?
At this point, we have to factor in the possibility of Hole suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
The undocumented, as a class, in the USA, do a lot of the building and cleaning and agriculture and a lot of the nursing and basically everything that's hard and necessary for stupid ungrateful people like you to have such an easy life.
Yes we have the same demographics but they are all legal immigrants and paid the going wages . The problem we have is bringing in foreign workers because you do not want to pay residents the minimum wage. It also results in high unemployment amoung students And please you have no clue if my life was easy or hard .
Hey look, its the "good guys" pathologically lying for literally no reason other than to poison the minds of people who believe. So good!
Hell yeah brothers, the good guys holding a child hostage to have a chance to potentially detain their parents
So why is unemployment skyrocketing and job growth is plummeting?
Start by explaining that
I should have specified that when I meant anti-communist I didn't mean all the brain washed people who think communism is brutal authoritarianism imposing uniformity in thought and action in the population (kinda like what we are headed towards now under capitalism). I mean people who feel a calling deep in their soul to kill everyone who wants to use cooperation to and univers
Sure, but killing billions out of fear of your perception of what they may do to you is textbook domination. You're just essentially getting ahead start like Stalin did with the purges. I would assume you thought he was acting in good faith?
But the issue is that you’re pointing to policies that aren’t actually aligned with communism at all. Aside from the mass murder, you simply described two policies reflecting workplace democracy within a more regulated market economy.
...Killing billions out of fear just to implement a democratized form of capitalism seems a bit unproductive at best.
I skipped this part but yeah, I'm against textbook communism not on the belief that I don't like the idea of it but because I don't think the practicalities of it are theoretically feasible enough to warrant going that direction. The rest of the commie talk is just rebranded, regulated capitalism that we are leaning into anyway.
But I think politics is like talking religion in disguise. Everyone is super tribal now which includes lefties. Again, I think contemplating the murder of over half the world would be an example of that if we cleared our head a bit.
But it's all a team sport now, and some on the left have been pretty successful at trying to portray that they aren't associated with anything yet basically every one of them was or still is a lib themselves.
I think watching modern day liberals get frustrated trying to get identified or accepted into some fantasy lefty cult by shouting out some really idiotic take like "I'm for abolishing prisons" might be the most entertaining thing to read in politics.
Basically, it's like this ... I think it should all come down to what we can do to help the bottom 99% of people while protecting the environment. Everything else is complete horseshit. So, if you've got ideas to accomplish that, I'd be interested.
I think there is a huge difference in immigration today compared to when my parents immigrated from Holland . Immigrants back than were welcomed and many were trying to escape Nazi Germany but when they got here they were not given a free hotel and a cash card or cellphone. Also no welfare.Unlike today were illegals or Asylum seekers get everything handed to them and the stats
why do you think its like this now? do you think our governments are incompetition with other country's for these refugees because they want gdp to go burrrrrr so they offer a leg up . Governments generally don't like to give out money for no reason. is it really as simple as they think people that they bring in will vote for the current goverment?
Lol. (double lol "High IQ"). Russia was far behind Europe. The elite in Russia were largely German and pretty much all spoke French and that was a small elite. Russians generally were uneducated and many were literally slaves - serfs were bought and sold.Lenin originally thought the revolution in Russia wasn't meant to be the full communist revolution because the workers we
Ya it was that academic class of minor nobles the second sons type that made up the Bolsheviks not random farmers. its always the academics with too much time om their hands...
why can't both be true? You can both have a job shortage and undercut your current population. its called not paying them the current market value and lowering wages until no one except an immigrant will take a job. Anyway I agree the numbers don't show a big problem in the united states but don't you want to keep it that way? This is why when you allow a legal immigrant into your country you want to target someone making over or near the average. you don't want to bring in Walmart workers and subsidize those billion dollar corporations its wage suppression for your lower class
why can't both be true? You can both have a job shortage and undercut your current population. its called not paying them the current market value and lowering wages until no one except an immigrant will take a job. Anyway I agree the numbers don't show a big problem in the united states but don't you want to keep it that way? This is why when you allow a legal immigrant into y
I don’t think the immigration issue is fundamentally about cheap labor; it’s about labor, period. The U.S. simply doesn’t have enough workers in the pipeline to support a rapidly retiring population. Even if wages rise, there aren’t enough native-born workers aging into the workforce to fill the gap.
Wage suppression can happen in specific sectors, but that’s a policy and enforcement failure, not the core driver of immigration. Without sufficient workers, the alternative isn’t protected wages, it’s labor shortages, higher prices, slower growth, and fewer people paying into the systems that support retirees.
And immigration isn’t even a permanent fix anymore. Immigrant fertility rates have converged to native levels much faster than expected, which means we’re short on future workers too. That makes this a structural demographic problem, not a corporate conspiracy.
Basically, it's like this ... I think it should all come down to what we can do to help the bottom 99% of people while protecting the environment. Everything else is complete horseshit. So, if you've got ideas to accomplish that, I'd be interested.
More like the bottom 50% for me. And realistically, it’s the bottom 25% we should be worrying about right now. That doesnt require some major ideological overhaul either; it’s basically a single-digit GDP fix. We have the capacity just not the will.
US, for 1st time in 50 years, experienced negative net migration in 2025: Report
According to the report, authorities also predict the net migration loss will see certain sectors of the economy experience "unexpectedly weak economic activity," specifically businesses that serve affected immigrant populations.
"The slowdown implies weaker employment, GDP, and consumer spending growth," the report states, adding that consumer spending is expected to fall by between $60 billion and $110 billion over 2025 and 2026.
Coordi do you need me to explain that importing cheap labor lowers the value of labor from non immigrants
So why is unemployment skyrocketing and job growth is plummeting?
Fell for it again
Maybe this is hard to understand as poker players, where the ecosystem is negative sum.
The US economy is positive sum.
Deuces, is there a person in the US, in congress or anywhere, that you'd be pleased to see run and would vote for and why? What would they do that you'd support?
This isnt some gotcha. I think vic voted for hamas so I only ask that you be honest and not give me the nut nut runaround.
Deuces, is there a person in the US, in congress or anywhere, that you'd be pleased to see run and would vote for and why? What would they do that you'd support?
This isnt some gotcha. I think vic voted for hamas so I only ask that you be honest and not give me the nut nut runaround.
Question for Deuces but
Ro Khanna on the left
Rand Paul on the right
Originally Posted by lozen
I think there is a huge difference in immigration today compared to when my parents immigrated from Holland . Immigrants back than were welcomed and many were trying to escape Nazi Germany but when they got here they were not given a free hotel and a cash card or cellphone. Also no welfare.
Unlike today were illegals or Asylum seekers get everything handed to them and the stats on some communities that still live of the social system is terrible . Many after years can not speak english
why do you think its like this now? do you think our governments are incompetition with other country's for these refugees because they want gdp to go burrrrrr so they offer a leg up . Governments generally don't like to give out money for no reason. is it really as simple as they think people that they bring in will vote for the current goverment?
why do you think its like this now? do you think our governments are incompetition with other country's for these refugees because they want gdp to go burrrrrr so they offer a leg up . Governments generally don't like to give out money for no reason. is it really as simple as they think people that they bring in will vote for the current goverment?
Actually the bigger difference is communication. In the 18th-19th century there was no way to communicate back home. Especially for lower class economic migrants. When you left, you left the past behind and made your new future as an American. The idea of immigrating, keeping in constant contact with you family back home, and going back home to visit them a couple times/yr was simply not possible. Now it is common, even for persons who supposedly left as asylum seekers.
And Western democracies have different concepts about social welfare than they did 100 years ago. People aren't provided social welfare "for nothing." They are provided it because in the 21st century it is regarded as the correct thing to do. In a way it simply wasn't for pretty much all of history up to 75 years ago.
Maybe this is hard to understand as poker players, where the ecosystem is negative sum.
The US economy is positive sum.
Well, it is when you let the free market do its thing. The more you attempt socialism and central planning the more this falls apart. And Trump seems to be doing his best to make the US economy negative sum.
It is kind of funny, where the one area Elon might have some real insight to offer is in economic policy; and this is pretty much the one area he won't touch in his social media shitposting. It is all culture war stuff. Because Elon realizes Trump's economic policy is not defensible. Bill Ackman same thing, although he will occasionally make some 2,000 word tweet attempting to defend Trump's economic policy as some sort of opening feint in a 5D chess strategy.
I don’t think the immigration issue is fundamentally about cheap labor; it’s about labor, period. The U.S. simply doesn’t have enough workers in the pipeline to support a rapidly retiring population. Even if wages rise, there aren’t enough native-born workers aging into the workforce to fill the gap.Wage suppression can happen in specific sectors, but th
well thats the us where you don't have an immigration problem . If you go to country's that have reached their immigration quotas and still want more you can just walk into any fast food business and see it for yourself. This is a thread about all western country's not just one why does every thread no this site have to become American focused :(
Smaller more liberal country's over compensated for future demographic issues it won't be a problem
No Iranian thread?
