Do I have to show my hand?

Sorry, but no.

At showdown action is not on you, because there is no action.

I have no idea what I would be in doubt about, but I have been playing in casinos for over 20 years, paying the bills with poker winnings for most of that time, so I know how to table my hand, thanks. You, however, have a lot to learn about poker rules, etiquette, and terminology.

hahah very funny.

I was simply meaning that if you are doubt at the end don't throw your hand anywhere near the muck where it could be declared dead, and by showing it face up you also let the eye in the sky see it.

I've had a situation where they went away to check the cameras before paying out a hand but I can't actually remember the reason.

And no you don't have to show. You can say "you got it" or "I missed". or "playing the board" Doesn't have to be true

In some rooms, you definitely have to show. If you don't turn your cards over, the dealer will do so for you.

I don't know why you keep trying to "correct" the answers given by people who've played in dozens of casinos over many years.

well your answer was that it depends.

Better than a wrong answer. It does depend upon the house rules. Given we were not given the name of the house we can not know for certain. Even given the name I certainly would not do the research the OP was apparently unwilling to do and ask what the house rules are in this matter. Given the request to see the hand if I had to bet I'd bet this house requires showing it.

Put a better way, Chillrob and I have had many discussions in the past. On some we agree, on some we disagree. Sure, there are some dumb things he has said to me, I am sure I have said some dumb things to him. Simply we have occasionally disagreed. Most often we don't (or at least understand why why do).

That said, I am smart enough to know he has been around the block enough and that if I disagree with him, I better be fucking sure about what I am talking about.

Our disagreements are usually more philosophical than anything. Angels dancing on the head of a pin type of stuff.

You? Well, I will let reputations speak.

Even though I occasionally disagree with Chillrob, if there is ever a situation where I had to blindly bet o someone, Chillrob would get my money over you.

Saying playing the board w/o showing your hand means nothing. Until you table a hand, even if you are using none of those cards, you have no claim on the pot because you have not tabled a hand.

IOW, you can not "muck" and say playing the board and getting a share of the pot. You will have mucked and the pot will go elsewhere

First, that is room dependant. (RRoP rules specifically say you can say playing the board and then discard your hand and still have a claim on the pot.)

Second, you've totally missed his point. He's not saying he's playing the board to try to make a claim on the pot. Almost completely the opposite. He's saying it to avoid having to show his hand by essentially conceding the pot.

Not that he's correct that he has the "right" to not show his hand in a room that allows opponents to ask to see it.

You used to be able to state you were playing the board and muck your hole cards at Bellagio, but I think the rule there changed a number of years ago.

Since we are being specific, RRoP says that you relinquish all claim to the pot if you don't declare that you are playing the board 😉

[QUOTE=RRoP : Section 5 - Hold'em : Rules : 6]You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away; otherwise you relinquish all claim to the pot.[/QUOTE]

Though the implication is obvious, it still highlights that RRoP is a weak specification that has outlived its purpose.

I know. You still have to show. But if you want to muck you don't have to show in some cases.

Usually (unless it’s a tournament; there are different rules for all ins) if you are giving up any claim to a pot, you don’t have to show your hand. However, most rooms have some form of “I want to see the hand” rule that, when invoked, forces a player who is otherwise not trying to claim the pot and has discarded his hand to show the hand. Invoking this rule is generally a douchbag move though since the intent of IWTSTH is not for strategic purposes, but to detect collusion. Invoking the rule is tantamount to accusing someone of cheating. Most rooms will not allow a player to repeatedly invoke IWTSTH absent any evidence of cheating.

In this specific post, it appears that IWTSTH was invoked, so OP has to show. This should not be taken to be the norm. The norm is that if you want to discard your hand without showing you may do so, but you give up any claim to the pot when you do.

BTW, if someone invokes IWTSTH and the player who attempted to discard shows the best hand, the pot goes to him despite the fact that he attempted to discard and give up the pot. The hand is considered to be properly tabled if IWTSTH is invoked.

This last part is only correct if the presumed winner of the hand is the one who asked to see it.

Not my reading of why you wrote..."And no you don't have to show. You can say ... "playing the board"."

Clear reading to me is that you can say "playing the board" and not have to show. While I have been corrected elsewhere ITT that at one time, in some rooms, under RRoP, you could declare "board" and not show. But those rooms were few and AFAIK, none remain.

I think you were unethical because the room has a rule that if your opponent wants to see your beaten hand he has a right to see it.

You found a way to make that rule unenforceable in that particular hand. If the room is serous about that rule then they can warn you about what they are going to do if you do that again. If the room won’t give you consequences for disobeying their rule then functionally you never have to obey it but you are still unethical for doing what you did.