If you lived in Minneapolis, and an ICE agent demand ID.....

Agreed. We have CBP for a reason.

Gotta get off CNN sheep.

If one is to bring a gun anywhere for self-defense, it should be concealed. By carrying openly, you are drawing attention to yourself and it's usually going to not be the kind of attention you want. He was carrying concealed.

Still, since all the protestors are civilians on the same side (e.g., BLM protests/riots had civilians from both sides in opposition), there is very little chance of coming across a violent situation with another protestor.

That needs to be factored in with the decision to carry - the fact that if you get into a scruff it will almost certainly be with federal agents - agents who have been given "complete immunity" by their superiors.

Yes, you have to carry your CCW and government ID. That's irrelevant since they didn't ask to see it - they just stole his firearm and put a dozen rounds into him.

It's hilarious that you think the governor is hiding all undocumented people in his state and thus knows where they all are and can turn them in.

Trump's deal is he will remove ICE if Walz turns over voter information to him. You can take your best guess as to why Trump wants all voter information from blue states.

My position on Rittenhouse is he's a moron for going to a riot to cosplay as military or LE when there was a curfew and he's a dumb kid that should be asleep for high school the next day.

However, self-defense doesn't take into account larping or even whether someone is possessing a firearm unlawfully (which wasn't the case anyway but if it were, it would be a separate charge); it only takes into account whether a person's life is in danger and if the force being used is appropriate for that threat.

Pretty much only myself and CRD have contended that he shot in self-defense. That's because as much of a racist and idiot Rittenhouse is (and now grifting off the killings like a true scumbag), he shot only when his life was in danger.

That said, the people who were trying to stop Rittenhouse were under the impression that he was a shooter on the loose (someone yelled that and to stop him), so they were taking measures they thought would protect others.

Had they killed him with the trucks of a skateboard to the head, then I wouldn't consider that a murder either (though it could be argued that he was running away with a rifle and a mass shooter would be shooting).

The ICE incident is totally different. He wasn't there to larp and had his firearm concealed and was permitted to do so. They pepper sprayed him for helping a woman they shoved to the ground, then tackled him, saw a firearm on his hip that he could not reach and took that from him, and then decided to put a dozen rounds into him when he was of zero threat.

And as a result, your boys Miller and Trump haven't been this hard in decades.

MTG has more sense than some of the idiots you find on the internet.

In Fla. they've apparently picked up(mostly from jails) approx ~10k illegals. And that's vs a suspected total number of somewhere between 600k-1.6mil. Rookie numbers lol

In Minnesota getting to any similar numbers(picked up vs totals in the wild) would be somewhere around 2k people. Mass deportations 😀 Meanwhile these clowns seem to think 1 out of every 10 people walking down the street is an illegal they just can't seem to find any because 1 guy is hiding them 😀

Yeah, but lol at her pandering to smooth-brained MAGA by saying that Biden's FBI committed home invasions. They had judicial warrants, so she can't play it both ways.

And if she were truly interested in helping, she would have stayed in the job she had that literally could make a difference. That chick should just shut up now instead of yapping from the sidelines.

The first guy's wearing a mask but I think you can see just enough to determine he's a dei hire. Baby steps 😀

MAGA dropped her when she stood for the release of the Epstein files.

At this point, she's just another citizen voicing an opinion. If she's going to voice that opinion buried in a bunch of false bullshit, then she should just shut up.

In before Noem says we need to destroy Minneapolis in order to save it.

No, he wanted her to stay in congress and criticize them. Seems like the opposite of shutting up.

I don't necessarily want her to shut up.

But much of what she says now makes me think that she is capable of rational thought. And that makes me more judgmental in certain respects about her prior behavior than I would have been if I simply thought she was a crazy true believer. Put another way, at this point, it's hard to believe that she ever believed a lot of the bullshit she was spouting three years ago.

You might argue that she can't win in my eyes no matter what she does. I guess that's true, but I imagine a lot of other people feel the same way. That's just the price you pay for attempting a face turn after years and years of the worst sort of asshattery.

she just knows which way the wind blows. like, its shouldnt be that hard to oppose mass murder of Palestinian children by Jewish Supremacists, mass rape of children by both parties, and paramilitary thugs disappearing innocents domestically. but the Dems still cant even figure that out.

not that she is in any way serious or principled. regardless, its better rhetoric than AOC.

Stanning for MTG because you agree with her on one topic is just silly. She is a complete nut job. No, a woman who pushes antisemitic conspiracy theories like space solar generators causing wildfires is not sensible.

Using someone as an example of an extraordinarily low bar is not "stanning for" them.

That's basically my take. But there's still some part of me that thinks her and massie are still on board and just playing a role.

Yeah, I think she saw the MAGA grift was coming to a close (might even know some stuff about his health), so she's trying to distance herself so she can make a run at gov or prez.

I think more like be the heir apparent to maga

I’ll give you credit here that this is a much better way to try to help people and build a base of support rather than arguing that those that are half our age and with less money should risk their freedom to burn down someone else's community, in blue districts, for some lame attempt at change that won't work and is really to fulfill the lackluster dopamine of others - actions that has only strengthened the things you claim to oppose while also shrinking down your support system to a group of about 30 nationwide.

...that's what chicken hawks do.

america's greatest generation:

segregation
concentration camps(for Japanese Americans)
dropped nukes on cities full of innocent people
firebombed tokyo
dropped napalm on German civilillians
lifespan for natives was 43 years
women weren't allowed to have bank accounts
red lining
welcomed Nazis with open arms after the war
hawaii
alaska
korea
cuba
haiti
vietnam
philippines
iran
palestine

that's just off the top of my head

America is evil, and has always been evil. the country doesn't exist so people can walk freely down the street. the country was born in 1776. do you think in 1776 the country was created so natives and Africans could freely walk down the street?

I'm genuinely sorry to be so hostile, but you're just flat out wrong. and these myths, this propaganda you believe allows racism and fascism to flourish.

America needs to be opposed, not worshipped. it was born in genocide and slavery. the founding fathers were racists and rapists. Thomas Jefferson had a rape room where he kept his teenage sex slave.

Over-zealous is an understatement.

But yeah, anytime you carry a weapon of any kind, you are exponentially increasing the risk it's going to be the direct or indirect cause of your demise.

Carrying a gun increases your chances of being shot by one and this has been known since forever.

I haven't done any research and I'm on no side in this. But it seems him having a gun on him was a major factor causing him to get shot.

how can you be on no side of masked fascists executing people in the streets and in their homes?

Because I'm not an American, wasn't there, and my knowledge of this particular event is just a couple of articles I read describing the incident. I'm probably on the same side as you, just saying him taking a gun there is absurd, but maybe to an American it's not.

Exactly. it's possible to hold two non-conflicting views on this: That masked fascists executing people in the streets is wrong, and also carrying a lethal weapon is going to exponentially increase the chances of you getting killed, particularly when the temperature in the given situation is already at boiling point.