1/3 Line Check UTG with TT
Hero has Not been out of line. Up a little, but nothing significant has happened so far.
Effective stack 700
Villain is un
I don't know where to begin with this one...
When you raise turn and jam river are you value betting or bluffing?
Yeah, this was kinda like blasting off with AK
I guess I just believed I was ahead the entire way, they were all value bets, and I guess I was right. I bet he had a very stupid hand, none of you would consider. Happy tilt.
Facts, I should have continued to call on the turn and I think there’s a good chance he just checks and gives up on the river. I don’t play many hands and use too much brute force when I do. It works sometimes, but I need to learn to be more thoughtful.
This was your original response and I don't think the logic here is logicking. If V is laggy and spewy, let him barrel off and make some loose calls. Like calling down TT on this run out. Raising is the opposite of what we want to do. Raising folds out bluffs, we want him to bluff.
Only if we're willing to call a 3rd barrel. With our exact hand, I don't think we're strong enough to call a third barrel and expect to win long-term. We're just paying him off when he has value for no reason. When we raise turn, we're essentially setting our own price for the third barrel. (As I said, I'd go smaller because I want AK/A9/A8/88 to call and we will have to fold a lot)
It's ok if we fold out air, because Vs air here is hands like Broadway cards and Ax that have a decent slug of equity and we're holding a hand that isn't getting value on any river. Its good a decent chunk, but is vulnerable to any A, K, Q, J river. And isn't really strong enough to call a third barrel, especially on a AKQJ river where a lot of his potential barreling candidates hit. It isn't like we're fist pumping to gii on the river even on a deuce.
What range do you think V has that's worth calling three streets with TT, but also doesn't have hands we can get value from OTT?
Only if we're willing to call a 3rd barrel. With our exact hand, I don't think we're strong enough to call a third barrel and expect to win long-term. We're just paying him off when he has value for no reason. When we raise turn, we're essentially setting our own price for the third barrel. (As I said, I'd go smaller because I want AK/A9/A8/88 to call and we will have to fold a
It's never a spot we're happy to call 3 barrels with a hand like TT. It's definitely not a spot I expect to be printing vs population. I'd do a lot of folding vs population.
I like the highlighted, just not in this spot.
It's ok if we fold out air, because Vs air here is hands like Broadway cards and Ax that have a decent slug of equity and we're holding a hand that isn't getting value on any river. Its good a decent chunk, but is vulnerable to any A, K, Q, J river. And isn't really strong enough to call a third barrel, especially on a AKQJ river where a lot of his potential barreling candidates hit. It isn't like we're fist pumping to gii on the river even on a deuce.
2 overs have 14% equity, we're really not protecting from anything with a raise. You're raising for value and as I said before, I simply disagree with the reasoning.
What range do you think V has that's worth calling three streets with TT, but also doesn't have hands we can get value from OTT
I'd argue SB 3b range is tight for everyone regardless of their description, mostly because it literally is. Good regs don't even 3b enough from the SB. I'd call down expecting to see AQ/AK as 3 barrel bluffs and obviously run into OPs plenty of time too.
Only reason I'd call turn is cause it's a half pot bet. If he bet any bigger I'd be arguing for a fold on turn.
The way I think about this hand, the flop call is pretty standard.
On the turn, you have to ask yourself if he is bluffing or value betting worse often enough. If so, call. If not, fold.
Then if he barrels river, you have to ask yourself the same question. Am I good often enough given the pot odds being offered?
Beware of the rules-based thought process, "X hand is strong enough to call flop, but not strong enough to call turn." Good players will learn how you're thinking and exploit those tendencies.
You want to look at each hand on a case by case basis. TT probably isn't strong enough to call three barrels against a nitty TAG, but it might be a reasonable call down against a bluffy LAG.
I would think against most players that would get a lag label, a turn call at least would be reasonable. Sometimes they will shut down on the river.
It's common for a lot of lags to shut down after barreling turn. This is actually a good strategy against a population that overfolds turn and thus arrives at the river with a stronger range than a solver would have. So in your position it might be reasonable to call turn and fold on a lot of rivers.
You've still got to reevaluate on a case by case basis though. Certain cards that look scary can actually increase the probability that they bluff river. Like an ace especially would probably be a card I would hero call a lot on. It looks scary so a lot of lags will think it looks like a good card to bluff. Really though they don't have that many Ax that take this line, and a lot of the hands that bet turn for value will want to check back when the ace hits. So it's quite likely they overbluff on an ace river.
To summarize, our opponent is mostly repping a strong polarized range, with strong made hands that beat us and bluffs that we beat. In that scenario it doesn't make a lot of sense to raise. You just fold out hands you're ahead of and get called every time when you're behind. Sometimes you need to be comfortable using your hand as a bluffcatcher, letting them barrel and calling or folding as appropriate.
