If you lived in Minneapolis, and an ICE agent demand ID.....
......would you comply. (You have broken no law. You're just walking into the grocery store.)
Why or Why not?
What about the responsibility of the people who chose to run Harris, a candidate so terrible that voters decided Trump 2.0 was a better option?
The thing is Trump 2.0 was clearly not the better option unless you were mentally deficient. I think his point stands that the idiots who were hoodwinked into thinking Trump 2.0 was the better option are idiots.
What about the responsibility of the people who chose to run Harris, a candidate so terrible that voters decided Trump 2.0 was a better option?
Democrats will never take accountability for that and let alone Kamala said she would have done nothing different .
Lets not forget the Dems on illegals committing crimes. Its such a small % that we need not worry about it no protests for all the US citizens killed by illegals
Mayors current position we will not cooperate with federal immigration laws
What about the responsibility of the people who chose to run Harris, a candidate so terrible that voters decided Trump 2.0 was a better option?
If one thinks Trump is a better option to virtually any human being, they are an idiot.
I recognize that makes Trump voters uncomfortable, but that’s where we are. Own it and do better moving forward.
No, their responsibility for this is not diminished a bit just because someone else also is responsible.
I don’t know how you determine responsibility but it’s usually done on a scale of 0-100%. Therefore, if you are not 100% responsible, your percentage of responsibility is diminished by someone else’s percentage. There are, of course, some exceptions.
It’s sad that people are still clinging to this idea that Harris was some unelectable entity and won’t accept that they got mind ****ed by MAGA and foreign propaganda. Wake up.
I'll reiterate that anyone that didn't specifically vote for Harris is responsible for this directly, whether they understand it or not.
If it weren't for the Electoral College, you might have a point.
If literally a half-million folks who voted for Harris here in California had stayed home on election day instead, she still would have received exactly the same number of electoral votes here (i.e. all of 'em).
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this exchanged made me laugh pretty hard
gorgonian sounds like someone I would disagree with a lot. but like them, I also say things that aren't quite accurate(to put it nicely)
like his first post is just completely disproven by what geezer said. but it sounds like gorg(if I can call them that) didn't mean what he was saying literally. I do the same thing *sigh*
I think gorg was trying to say that trump needed to beaten at any cost. and in their opinion it was worth it to pay the cost of genocide in Palestine. it was ok to have kids in cages, millions in prisons, completely corrupt Kamala who kept people in prison in CA for slave labor when they should have been set free cuz all they did was sell marijuana(easily looked up if you don't believe me)
just as long as you beat trump.
that lesser of two evils strategy gives diminishing returns. we will keep getting worse and worse candidates til eventually you have Kamala and trump.
at best it's passing the buck down the road for future generations to deal with. if we would have stood up to Dems in past elections, they would have known they can't take us for granted, and actually have to represent our interests.
Anyone who was dumb enough to vote Trump, especially those explicitly voting against their own interests is a moron. Lack of education and directed propaganda messed a lot of people up but it’s no excuse.
I agree, if you abstained from voting Harris you’re just as bad as a Trump voter and deserve all the blame for what is happening in the US today.
propaganda is powerful. I agree people are making a mistake when they vote for trump, and voting against their own interests.
but most people who vote for Dems are also voting against their own interests. most of them even knowingly vote against their own interests!!! cuz they just want the lesser of two evils.
and for people saying I don't know what democracy means... the above systems is what we have. that is not democracy. when government doesn't represent the people AND HAS LITERALLY NEVER represented the people EVER, that is not democracy!
when you can't even find a candidate on the ballot who represents your interests that is not democracy. might as well be one candidate on the people.
I shouldn't say this, but I swear to ****ing God, Americans are so ****ing stupid "oh there are two candidates on the ballot! we are a democracy! yay freedom!" never mind that Bernie had the primary stolen from him twice. and Dems and repubs openly collude to keep everyone else off the ballot. and Dems helped trump win his first nomination cuz they wanted him to win, thinking he would be easy to beat.
and like victor said, Dems could have abolished ice multiple times. Dems also could have ratified roe v Wade, but they wanted abortion on the table because it would help them win elections if people were worried about losing that right
and like Malcolm x said "...and after all that if you still vote for them, you're a sheep and a traitor..."
but to circle back... the reason masked men are executing people on the street is because we don't have a democracy
Idk about you guys but my life was pretty good under “the Dems”. I like America being the most powerful country in the world and having amicable relations with other countries who support western and progressive values. To be fair, not much has really changed for me personally since Trump 2.0 but I don’t understand your logic that no good democrat candidates meant you needed to vote for an arguably worse candidate.
😆this exchanged made me laugh pretty hardgorgonian sounds like someone I would disagree with a lot. but like them, I also say things that aren't quite accurate(to put it nicely)like his first post is just completely disproven by what geezer said. but it sounds like gorg(if I can call them that) didn't mean what he was saying literally. I do the same thing *sigh*I think gorg wa
All of those things are happening under Trump and the Palestinians are about to be kept in a literal cage. This post is completely irrational.
Support for Israel is bipartisan because it is by far the best strategic option.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
It’s really astonishing how dumb people can be. You really saved the Gazans by keeping Kamala out of the White House.
Victor is obviously correct that we have lived in a world without any ICE agents. That said, I don't think ICE in 2007 was an equivalent shitshow to what we see now. For at least a year now, the recruiting pitch has been "Do you have a pulse? Do you want to bank some overtime? Do you want to get these immigrants the hell out of the country? Great. Join ICE." Unsurprisingly, that sort of recruiting drive has attracted a lot of people with meager employment options, poor judgment, and minimal empathy.
What about the responsibility of the people who chose to run Harris, a candidate so terrible that voters decided Trump 2.0 was a better option?
What about the responsibility of that bitch who burned the pot roast? I have repeatedly told her not to burn it, but she did it anyway. I donÂ’t want burnt pot roast, so I beat the **** out of her.
All of those things are happening under Trump and the Palestinians are about to be kept in a literal cage. This post is completely irrational.
Support for Israel is bipartisan because it is by far the best strategic option.
if you think genocide is the best strategic option, and you think it's democratically supported, when vast majority are extremely opposed....
then i'm done talking to you, and done listening to you.
hope that some day you realize killing children is a bad thing
😆this exchanged made me laugh pretty hardgorgonian sounds like someone I would disagree with a lot. but like them, I also say things that aren't quite accurate(to put it nicely)like his first post is just completely disproven by what geezer said. but it sounds like gorg(if I can call them that) didn't mean what he was saying literally. I do the same thing *sigh*I think gorg wa
No. My point was not disproven. Nobody in California can guarantee that their vote doesn't matter, so nobody can be excused for not voting for Harris. Any one of those votes could have been the difference in losing the state, so any non vote for harris potentially contributes to a trump win. Pile up enough "potentially could contributes," and look at where we are.
Everyone has to do their part. If enough people said nah my vote wouldn't matter in California anyway, boom, trump wins the state.
Thus, every vote contributes.
And no, I don't support genocide in any way shape or form so don't presume to put that sht in my mouth. Or any of that other dumb sht you pinned on me. That's yours, not mine.
if you think genocide is the best strategic option, and you think it's democratically supported, when vast majority are extremely opposed....
then i'm done talking to you, and done listening to you.
hope that some day you realize killing children is a bad thing
This level of reading comprehension and critical thinking is a large factor in how we got here.
Yea, well the thing is no one knows WTF is going on, or what not to do, or what to actually be afraid of. There’s no real information on targeting beyond the pieces and bits random info and whispers about “facial recognition” and what not. The gov went to the Supreme Court and said “We can stop you for looking like a Hispanic in LA” and the court a
agreed, that sounds awful - i think the manner in which they are going about this is horrendous
No. My point was not disproven. Nobody in California can guarantee that their vote doesn't matter, so nobody can be excused for not voting for Harris. Any one of those votes could have been the difference in losing the state, so any non vote for harris potentially contributes to a trump win. Pile up enough "potentially could contributes," and look at where we are. Everyone has
guys, he doesnt support genocide. he just supports the party that relentlessly committed genocide and reflexively repeats the propaganda from powerful pro-genocide outlets like the ADL.
Phil ochs wrote a song about most of you itt
im14andthisisdeep
*Citizens are forced to make a suboptimal choice*
Centrists:
I know what I'll do. I'll exclude myself from accountability and take a stance of smug moral superiority by doing literally nothing
anyways, another unrelated tweet
Where you're both stupid and wrong is I don't support whatever party you are referring to. The democratic party is a pathetic centrist party (at best) that props up harmful capitalist principles and doesn't oppose violence. Hope that helped!
Pro tip for the newbie: if you find yourself agreeing with victor, you probably screwed up somewhere.
