DBBP Nut Wrap | Bottom Two OOP on Rainbow Boards
$20 bomb pot, 7 players
Hero has 1k
One big LAG fish in CO with 500
Everyone else nits with 500–1k
Pot 140
Flop 1: 9s 5h 4c
Fl
Well. I have played a split pot game for a living for most of my poker career. Sure there are differences, but poker is poker, equity is equity.
And again - sorry to repeat the obvious - that is exactly how poker works.
And I don't think we have enough equity to bet. Most replies agree with a check, but a few agree with a bet, so bigoilboomer has a decision to make 😉
Again, you can bet small. It's a great play especially if people play as you claim. I wouldn't consider the result of the "poll" in this thread very important and hope OP is able to draw his own conclusions.
In my games, basically nobody folds anything that could catch the turn/river or that has any piece of either board. They will call w/ any piece, Q9XX and as bad as AA/KK, and they are tight players. They just don't understand how bad their calls usually are, but it's amazing how many times they get there or a turn peels that just ruins you.
Great, so check and if the action indicates we aren't gonna do well vs the amount of players still in the hand and how strong the action is when it gets back to us then we have an easy fold
Doesn't really matter how your game or any other game plays. For basically 100% of games running with our hand we check and gather the information they give us and then act accordingly. We don't have a strong enough hand to lead and we don't have enough info to have any clear idea yet if we should or shouldn't put more money in
Again, you can bet small. It's a great play especially if people play as you claim. I wouldn't consider the result of the "poll" in this thread very important and hope OP is able to draw his own conclusions.
I guess if people are way overfolding stuff and we just auto get out all the straight draws with a 1/3 pot bet then ok. I don't think we can justify a 1/2 pot bet with our stack size and then fold it. We will flop too many hands like this and in a shallow game like this we need to be looking almost exclusively for spots we can get the money in or spots we have lots of info/position before we bet. Dusting off 3.5 antes and then folding continuously or getting 4 callers and getting 1/4'd isn't a good strategy and straight draws suck bad in DBBP games
If you read the thread, I was contemplating b15. Not sure if it's better than checking here, but for me it makes a lot of sense conceptually.
Sure straight draws must be bad in this game, but here it's on a r board and you have 2 pair on the other board which not every other straight draw has. Hitting the straight would make a pretty strong hand.
If you read the thread, I was contemplating b15. Not sure if it's better than checking here, but for me it makes a lot of sense conceptually.
Sure straight draws must be bad in this game, but here it's on a r board and you have 2 pair on the other board which not every other straight draw has. Hitting the straight would make a pretty strong hand.
Must have missed that, yea that size could be good if people respond poorly and isn't too costly to start finding out how they respond
I also like a small bet, clearing up equity is huge when we have bottom 2 and lots of hands that are folding have good equity against us.
Doesn't a small bet just allow more people to stay in a slightly bloated pot? So instead of two or three players calling a big bet, we now have four or five players calling a small one, just hoping to hit the turn?
I mean, it's fine, I guess. I just don't do it. With our hand it feels as if we are lucky to chop if we make it to the river.
If you guys bet, what are you doing if someone pots it behind you?
Why do you think it's so different to check and have n% equity and bet small and have n% equity when you yourself said they continue with weak hands? Perhaps you just don't understand how strong the hand is vs random hand?
Anyone know how to activate Odds Oracle?
You are correct. I don't think our hand is strong enough on both boards to bet the flop. That said, I'd call a bet. If it went pot, pot, I'd let it go. No way am I putting $500+ in on these flops with this hand.
Would be nice to know what game we are playing, too. Is this a NLHE game with PLO DBBPs or a 1/2 or 2/5 PLO game? Doesn't change my play too much. Also, how nitty are the nits -- I mean, they are playing a PLO DBBP for $20.
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Sorry, again.
In a DBBP, I don't see the point of bet/fold on the flop.
If we bet 30 and get half the table to fold hands like Qxxx or a pocket pair our equity goes up for a cheap price. We also build a pot for when we turn nuts. If we get raised, it happens, but we were probably getting free rolled anyways.
If we bet 30 and get half the table to fold hands like Qxxx or a pocket pair our equity goes up for a cheap price. We also build a pot for when we turn nuts. If we get raised, it happens, but we were probably getting free rolled anyways.
The other thing is from OP's other posts it seems like he's in pretty shallow games fairly often. Betting small here is pretty exploitable but if no one is going to exploit it then we should do it. If enough of the field shows us they will exploit it then we can just adapt a pot or chk/pot strategy vs them with our hands we want to continue with
Adding nuance to our game benefits us if the people we're playing against are going to let us do so
Why do you think it's so different to check and have n% equity and bet small and have n% equity when you yourself said they continue with weak hands? Perhaps you just don't understand how strong the hand is vs random hand?
Anyone know how to activate Odds Oracle?
I would love to see how this hand sims v six random hands, and how it changes if you knock out Qxxx & a couple bdfd’s.
Why do you think it's so different to check and have n% equity and bet small and have n% equity when you yourself said they continue with weak hands? Perhaps you just don't understand how strong the hand is vs random hand?
Anyone know how to activate Odds Oracle?
After installing software and navigating menus to the equivalent of "activate w license," you copy-paste in the large block of random looking text (the free license key) posted at propokertools.com. should be good thru June.
And/or check out studflopdraw.com. it'll run DBBP equities iirc.
If we bet 30 and get half the table to fold hands like Qxxx or a pocket pair our equity goes up for a cheap price. We also build a pot for when we turn nuts. If we get raised, it happens, but we were probably getting free rolled anyways.
You must play in very different DBBPs. From my little NLHE game to the 2/5 / 5/T PLO games I play in casinos, I've never seen anyone with any piece of either board fold for a 1/4 pot bet. LOL. They call w/ any two pair, AA, KK, QXXX, etc. Heck, I've seen them call small bets w/ backdoor draws.
And worse, I they will raise w/ Q7XX, 95XX, a set of 5s or 4s. Now we don't get to see a turn -- or it's gotten much more expensive.
I'd almost rather bet pot and really thin the field than bet small.
The more I think about this hand, the more I want to get to the turn as cheaply as possible.
After installing software and navigating menus to the equivalent of "activate w license," you copy-paste in the large block of random looking text (the free license key) posted at propokertools.com. should be good thru June.
And/or check out studflopdraw.com. it'll run DBBP equities iirc.
tyvm! I thought propokertools is down (maybe it was).
If we bet 30 and get half the table to fold hands like Qxxx or a pocket pair our equity goes up for a cheap price. We also build a pot for when we turn nuts. If we get raised, it happens, but we were probably getting free rolled anyways.
Why do you think it's so different to check and have n% equity and bet small and have n% equity when you yourself said they continue with weak hands? Perhaps you just don't understand how strong the hand is vs random hand?
Anyone know how to activate Odds Oracle?
I would love to see how this hand sims v six random hands, and how it changes if you knock out Qxxx & a couple bdfd’s.
Hero is about 2-1 over any one random hand; about 3-1 dog to the field. Crappy position and most of the turn cards are bad or tricky to play oop.
Hero is 58-42 HU with a villain at 5% of his range per SFD beta.
Hero is about 2-1 over any one random hand; about 3-1 dog to the field. Crappy position and most of the turn cards are bad or tricky to play oop.
Hero is 58-42 HU with a villain at 5% of his range per SFD beta.
When you say 3-1 dog to field, you're saying it's likely for one hand to be a 75% favorite over us? Or 75% with top board going to one hand and bottom board going to another hand?
It's very unlikely one hand crushes us on both. And a lot of edge in DBBP comes from being able to bluff out one-sided equity.
I’m saying you have about 25% equity v six random hands.
25% means we're still a favorite over the average of seven random hands. I'd be curious to know what the odds are that one hand has us crushed on BOTH the top and bottom boards.
