USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Why is that? A 4-star general recently testified to Congress that if he is ordered to attack a group of US citizens that the POTUS deems to be a domestic terrorist, he will follow orders if he is confident (by asking his superiors) that they are lawful orders. That's insane. Literally sounds like he will follow any order without due process so long as he can cover his ass legal
Is this the statement you're referring to:
“As with any order I get, I would assess the order, consult the legal authorities to ensure that it was a lawful order… and if I had no concerns and I was confident in the lawful order, I would definitely execute that order.”
-Gen. Gregory Guillot
If so, that's where we've always been at. Every officer who ever served would answer the same.
This is insane footage to make unclassified so soon
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingas**...
Its of course warmonger propaganda that the war is going well
Weird how this administrations war identifies as a special military operation or whatever ******ation they are trying to say
When political leadership commenting on a war chooses to celebrate very specific events, it is wise to be wary. It is a decent indicator that there are good questions about the war as a whole that go unanswered.
But yes, anything from a submarine is pretty much top secret by default, and especially a submarine that is likely still sailing. This is only shared for political reasons, which does not make much sense either: Submarines are like monsters in the closet, it is a lot scarier when the door remains closed or ever so slightly ajar.
And no, this is not a special military operation, it is a war.
For the anti war people how do you justify not taking this opportunity to prevent iran from helping russians invade ukraine?
Ukraine started the war. The anti-war crowd, largely, just hopes Russia can end it.
Do you want to use American troops to weaken Iran the way the U.S. uses Ukrainian lives to weaken Russia? I know you do, but do you have the balls to admit it?
Russia started the war regardless of your pro dictatorship gaslighting
Is this the statement you're referring to:“As with any order I get, I would assess the order, consult the legal authorities to ensure that it was a lawful order… and if I had no concerns and I was confident in the lawful order, I would definitely execute that order.”-Gen. Gregory GuillotIf so, that's where we've always been at. Every officer who ever served would answer the sam
Yes, but I was talking about the text represented by the ellipsis in the quote which was, "and if I had questions, I would elevate that to the Chairman and the Secretary."
So sure, while asking the Chairman and the Secretary might be protocol for an officer to save their ass on a questionable order, those two are Caine and Hegseth - Trump sycophant bootlickers that are more than happy to execute unlawful orders.
What is not protocol, however, is military strikes against American citizens on US soil, which is what the question was about. Any officer asked by Congress about a scenario where he or she is ordered to strike American citizens in their own country without any due process first and has to think for five seconds and still doesn't just say, "No" is concerning.
So I guess what I'm saying is so far, in less than a week of the Epstein War, they have attacked 33 civilian targets, including a purported 9 hospitals. This is the same military that bombed boats on international waters without providing anyone, especially Congress, any proof, so I'm going to need a bit more evidence that the school bombing was just a whoopsies.
Why are you so confident that the guy who changed the name of the Defense Department to the Department of War and bombed civilians in international waters and kidnapped a leader of a sovereign nation would be above bombing a school?
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No one will "sacrifice their life" but a lot of people like a good gamble. this is a gambling forum afterall. A lot of people will and do put their lives on the line obviously if that becomes a 100% chance of death no one would do it. but its never 100% what a stupid thing to say.This is why medieval battles no one dies in the actual battle. they all die in the rout while fleei
LOL. I guess kamikaze pilots were an urban myth.
Not sure Bush was dumb he conned almost every member of congress and every member of NATO except one to go to war after 9/11 that Iraq had nothing to do with and no WMDs
There is a lot of stories and testimonies, including some very grudging ones from people that hate him, about GW Bush being far smarter than his public persona suggests.
It's impossible to determine. But even if I do, 51% is still a probabilistic perspective.
As I said, I place a lot of emphasis on his spotlessly non-ideological track record, and the fact that this is the most unpopular presidential action in the history of polling (comparable to Truman firing MacArthur at ~27% leading up to the strikes). We've never seen anything this unpopular and this drastic before, so--especially with all the Epstein connections--it makes a lot of sense to attribute a decent percentage to unprecedented dynamics happening beneath the surface.
It's impossible to determine. But even if I do, 51% is still a probabilistic perspective. As I said, I place a lot of emphasis on his spotlessly non-ideological track record, and the fact that this is the most unpopular presidential action in the history of polling (comparable to Truman firing MacArthur at ~27% leading up to the strikes). We've never seen anything this unpopula
He actually has a long track record of aggressively opposing the IRGC for no super apparent reason.
For example he killed Solemeini out of the blue in 2020 and ripped up the JCPOA. It seems Trump just really doesn't like the IRGC and this is personal for him. Like the tariff nonsense. Some stuff Trump really cares about, and pushes no matter how little rational sense it makes.
Also, Trump is so easy to bribe, why would anyone even bother to blackmail him and risk the blowback if it came out that is what they were doing.
Your theory doesn't actually make much sense. It just confirms your biases. That is all.
I guess we need to change the thread title.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/not-...
We’re not at war right now’: House Speaker Johnson makes stunning claim after Trump’s barrage on Iran
They have a war that identifies as a special operation
Are people really under the impression that the US is doing all of this for Israel? The Iranian people?
yes, considering Rubio literally said that. and the NYT wrote an entire article about it. that is the narrative being pushed by much of Western press. fwiw, I dont really look at that way.
