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President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by Rococo m

t_d, I was reading an article this morning about Trump's proposal to provide a military escort to commercial ships that are willing to traverse the Strait of Hormuz.I have several questions. Do you believe that a military escort would be sufficiently effective right now to ensure safe passage? If Iranian leadership agreed to allow safe passage as part of a larger cease fire,

"Do you believe that a military escort would be sufficiently effective right now to ensure safe passage?"

Most of it hinges on economy, nobody will risk sailing without insurance. If the US gets a government-sponsored solution in place, I think you will see operators that sail oil tankers through. Oil prices are good after all. For LNG carriers, I personally would rather swim.

As for escorting ships through, this will be a complicated operation. On a normal day, some 50-100 ships pass through the strait and now you have to add to that all the thousands of ships that are currently stuck. Bunching ships up in formation makes air cover easier, but also makes it richer for targets. On the flip side, keeping them spread makes it more difficult to cover.

You will also have to actively mine-sweep for floating mines and naval mines, which is not a speedy operation. Nor can you cover the traffic reactively and be where attacks are likely, since the strait is long, Iran is big and ships are slow. If the plan is to cover it proactively, by eliminating threats before attacks, you are going to need one serious air campaign. Now, escort and patrols to keep the traffic going has been done before, but that was before drones , which dramatically changes the equation. They easy to deploy, can be done by small teams and can be used in numbers that potentially exhaust the more expensive and reliable air defenses.

On the good side, you guys do have the world's most formidable navy, but the bill is going to be eye-watering.

If Iranian leadership agreed to allow safe passage as part of a larger cease fire, would you trust that promise if you were a commercial ship operating without a military escort?

The same principle goes here, if the insurance companies believe it enough to offer affordable rates or the US offers insurance that does the same, I think you will see oil tanker traffic pick up. As a (hypothetical) captain I would not trust it, but there are plenty of ships out there where crew opinion does not matter all that much.

To your point about decentralization, do you believe that Iranian leadership has enough control over the Iranian military (and military proxies) to uphold that sort of agreement even it has every intention of doing so?

As your question alludes to, a fallout from destroying centralized command is that you have also hypothetically limited the ability of Iran to control proxies. I think military efforts could be reigned in given a small time-window, which would hypothetically leave some belligerent proxies, but those would be a far more manageable threat.

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A complicating factor is that if traffic is contingent on US guarantees alone, the IRGC and its proxies will do everything they can do show that the US can not fully protect ships, because videos and images of ships on fire or damaged will be the best propaganda they can produce. And of course, in their minds, the biggest prize would be if they could damage a US warship.


https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/20...

Well, you can scroll back on the report, and folks, that Trump National Golf Club has been getting dinged on that particular offense β€” insects, rodents present β€” since 2016.

That’s a solid decade of insect and rodents being in the house.


by biggerboat m

https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/20...

Well, you can scroll back on the report, and folks, that Trump National Golf Club has been getting dinged on that particular offense β€” insects, rodents present β€” since 2016.

That’s a solid decade of insect and rodents being in the house.

You'll never become a member making posts like that πŸ˜‰


by coordi m

You think I’m making up a republican from a discord?

K

gentle reminder i put that man on permablock when i learned despite that he is european, he didn't know there were catholics in europe - believed it to be purely an american thing

guy is dumber than a bag of rocks, because the rocks at least benefit from wisdom of the crowd effects


by rickroll m

gentle reminder i put that man on permablock when i learned despite that he is european, he didn't know there were catholics in europe - believed it to be purely an american thing

guy is dumber than a bag of rocks, because the rocks at least benefit from wisdom of the crowd effects

Amazing mischaracterization of the story, as good faith as you were last time.

You think I’m making up a republican from a discord?

K

I don't specifically think that, it could have been a made up post very representative of the said Reps or it could be a direct pic of a post, there is just no way to know and to avoid that in an era where you don't really want to give free ammos to these idiots, why not at least tell us it's from discord.
Not asking for a link here.


More likely that trump is a genius playing 4+d chess with us than weeeez doesn't know that there are catholics in europe


by chezlaw m

More likely that trump is a genius playing 4+d chess with us than weeeez doesn't know that there are catholics in europe

i was as shocked as you are


by tame_deuces m

On the good side, you guys do have the world's most formidable navy, but the bill is going to be eye-watering.

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I don't know why we'd do that, considering this is hurting China and Iran way, way, way more than us. Not exactly our best buddies.


by geezerchess m

I played Stratego a lot as a kid, so maybe my insights on the war might prove enlightening.

I was my elementary school champ using the put my flag behind one of the up front ponds approach. Everyone just was a L1 thinker and put it in a back corner. And I'd also put my spy directly behind my general, to lure their marshal in. EZ game....


by rickroll m

i was as shocked as you are

Calling you out on that , ready to bet $$$ on this and with escrow and all.
Find the quote or stfu.


The ice queen has left the building.


by biggerboat m

The ice queen has left the building.

Yeah, but not for the right reasons. I'm not optimistic about Mullin. I assume he is smarter than Noem, but almost everyone is, so that isn't saying much.


Markwayne is also a ridiculous name


Mullin is a good old fashioned Oklahoma ******


by Rococo m

Yeah, but not for the right reasons. I'm not optimistic about Mullin. I assume he is smarter than Noem, but almost everyone is, so that isn't saying much.

It is really comical how extra and combative you have to be to be turned on by literally Donald Trump

On the plus side at least every ICE ad (see: every ****ing ad at this point) I see before my YouTube clip plays will no longer feature her garbling

Also, being optimistic about literally anyone taking this post is a fool’s errand. Mullin has all of the hatemongering and all around sellout evil of noem but won’t make himself the star of the show like noem did from day 1


by coordi m

Mullin is a good old fashioned Oklahoma ******

Without going into too much detail, let's just say I have personal experience with that bigoted pos.




by Rococo m

As usual, t_d seems like the only person here who is even remotely qualified to comment on military strategy.

Wouldn't this mean you aren't remotely qualified to make this assessment?


by coordi m

You think I’m making up a republican from a discord?

K

Do you know any Republicans (other than me) who can write three sentences in a row in English? The guy you posted failed to meet that low standard.


Hes too successful in the railroad industry to give a **** about spelling words correctly


by coordi m

Hes too successful in the railroad industry to give a **** about spelling words correctly

That makes no sense, but I understand if that's the best you can do. Thank you!


Best I can do? What are you even talking about


The US treasury secretary, Scott Bessent, has just announced that the US has issued a 30-day waiver to allow Indian refiners to purchase Russian oil.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2...


by coordi m

eli5?


Hes a plumber who never served in the military and he was photographed cowering terrified during Jan 6

So the above tweet from him is.... odd

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