USA Goes to War Against Iran

Apologies to everyone else then for misreading dunyain’s post and behaving accordingly

No apologies to Dunyain though. Body of work included you’re still a ****ing idiot

Farsi actually is a language in Iran, not the language. 40% of Iranians dont speak it as a first tongue according to Google.

Iranians actually view themselves as an Aryan race (which is where the name Iran derives from) quite distinct from Arabs, which is why they generally are fans of Hitler and Nazi Germany. Not because of the antisemitism like many third worlders are; but from existing as the self perceived purest form of the superior race Hitler eulogized.

Mental health issues are no joke. I work with a girl who has similar issues and often goes off her meds. I hope he is able to work through what he is dealing with. I’ll certainly keep him in my prayers.

I feel at this point we should all have enough of a read on Trump not to expect any coherent messaging. Trump is Trump. At some point you have to stop kicking the dog for being a dog; and just accept it is what it is. And proceed accordingly.

If you feel "Trump being Trump" isn't a valid reason to go to war; then fair enough. I would recommend not voting for him if he ever runs for office again.

You want this to be true, but it isn't.

That being said, I have nothing against the Iranian people; and I dont view their historical concept of racial superiority as being any worse than that of Japanese, Chinese, Norse, jews, etc. Most ethnic groups have a history and mythology of viewing themselves as distinct and superior to other groups. White liberals just refuse to recognize this for anyone but "white supremacists" and more recently (((Zionists))), as it doesn't fit their ideological priors.

Anyways, I will amend my point to state that I doubt in 2025 most Iranians are secret Neo-Nazis. But I will say there is a definite recent historical undercurrent of Iranians viewing themselves as members of the "Aryan" race Hitler eulogized; very distinct from Arabs.

You know what I will take that, good talk.

Anyways,

I think you all are way too willfully ignorant of The Islamic Republic of Iran, and the ideological conviction of its adherents. Total war with Israel and the United States (Little and Great Satan respectively) is, and has always been, the ideological and strategic endpoint. The mullahs and IRGC have just exercised what they call "strategic patience" waiting until the conditions are right for the war to be conducted under conditions where they would be victorious.

Netanyahu for his part, understands this. Which is why he has always been trying to initiate the conflict before the Regime is ready. And Sinwar gave him the geopolitical cover to push the issue farther than he ever has before; possibly initiating the final battle under conditions where the Regime is unlikely to be victorious, or hopefully (from my own perspective at least) survive at all.

There are some domestic policies I can just shake my head and not beat a dead horse but when it comes to things like our relationships with international allies, trade wars and literally invading countries I'll just continue to shake my fist at the clouds. Can't let that slide.

Liberal religious orthodoxy insists that all people (except white supremacists of course, who are irredeemably evil) are truly liberals at heart, and will turn into good liberals if you have friendly negotiations and free trade with them. Which is the philosophical rationale Obama had for the JCPOA. That when they say "Death to the USA" they dont actually mean it, and even if they do if we just normalize relations and open ourselves to free trade, they will eventually change their minds.

Anyways, I think we have run that experiment long enough. And accept when the Regime chants "Death to the USA" and builds giant missile arsenals and Arab proxy armies directed at US interests in the Middle East and our own proxy (as they view Israel) they actually mean it, and we should respond accordingly.

Mental health is certainly no joke. I've discussed my history of mental health issues a bit in this forum before.

I mean, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, but neither can you expect others to scrape it off the floor and brush their teeth with it.

This war is currently a mess with where it is very possible that no strategic goals are reached, and for that matter it is difficult to even see if any clear strategic goals are stated, because the leaders involved are so abysmally bad at communication, not to mention that they lie like there is no tomorrow.

Talking as if this is some kind of urgent call to action to dislodge the IRGC can certainly be politically effective, but in the real world it would require a bit more than Twitter machochismo and bombs.

https://people.com/pete-hegseth-pentagon...

Pete Hegseth Goes on $93 Billion Pentagon Spending Spree for Lobster, Fruit Baskets and Japanese Flute:

Most of the world sitting on the sidelines are being economically hurt by this much more than the US, specifically CCP China and Europe. And at some point people will realize that as long as the IRGC exists, this (or more likely something much worse) will happen again. The IRGC are not rational actors. The are apocalyptic endtime religious extremists. A lot of Islamists on the other side aren't rational either. If they go nuclear and the Gulf Arab countries do too, it would be an unmitigated disaster for the security of the world.

It is definitely in the rational interests of most of the world to have this resolved so the IRGC ceases to exist. If it doesn't happen it will be the rational and moral failing of our time, and the future of humanity will be that much darker for it.

That being said, the rest of the world seems content to make the US and Israel do all the work; so hopefully we are up for it.

You're not. This will end exactly how we expect it to end. With Trump claiming victory but realistically nothing changed and thousands if not more killed for nothing while billions hurt economically.

You know it, you're just incapable of admitting it.

Perhaps it's time to stay out of the middle east? Dunno man it's not like you don't have an incredibly long history of failed war after failed war causing chaos in the middle east.

But nope, lets continue to pretend Muslims are the problem.

Ummm, we are not rational actors. We make up **** to bomb other countries.

Well you see, wasting money is actually a good thing now.

Approved by DOGE. Also seriously how much ****ing Lobster, Fruit Baskets and Japanese Flutes does one buy to be able to spend 93 billion?

You can’t really say that the JCPOA was a failure in the sense that you are saying it is, because it never actually got a fair shake. It was repealed with no violation in Trump’s first term because he didn’t like Obama, and never reinstated.

During the JCPOA Iran destroyed or destabilized much of the Arab world through proxies, killed or maimed thousands of US soldiers in Iraq, built giant arsenals of missiles to terrorize the world, and violated most of the nuclear terms they agreed to.

The JCPOA was an unmitigated disaster.

This is just stupid third worldism. Even Russia is behaving rationally; they just have some very poor assumptions anboit their relative power they are too stubborn to admit they were wrong about. This is an entirely different beast.

The IRGC is showing us exactly how their Revolution was always going to go, which they have been proclaiming loud and clear for 40 years; we have just been too naive and stupidity listen.

Complete ”burn it all down” apocalyptic nihilism to usher in the end times.

We just pushed the timeline up a little and forced their hand before they were ready to do much worse.

The numbers being thrown around in that Hegseth story are dumb and I hate Hegseth. Just sensational headlines spouting nonsense

None of this addresses the fact that you have indeed made up **** to bomb other countries. Are you claiming this never happened?

reading Dun posts, one might get the idea that the Iranians killed American leaders under a flag of truce for negotiations and double tapped an elementary school in New York.

That falls well within the realm of rationale behavior.

Some day actually take 10 minutes to study the ideology of the regime, and its actions toward said ideology. It is literally end of the world apocalyptic end time ****.

At some point when someone repeatedly tells and shows you exactly who they are, you should probably believe them.