USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
For the sake of argument, I’ll grant your downstream logic. What occurred is consistent with certain agendas. But if it were intentional, that would imply targeting and planning decisions at the highest levels to provide plausible deniability. Fair enough?So why would those masterminds plan this for eight hours into the attack? In other words, who would reasonably expect parent
They could have targeted the school and if kids are there great and if there were no kids they could have just found a hospital to bomb. You can give yourself a dozen reasons why it wouldn't make sense to attack a school but at the end of the day they still did so.
The dangerous significance of Pete Hegseth’s ‘no quarter’ Iran war pledge
Orders or threats of “no quarter” — a term used for killing enemies who surrender
or are rendered unable to fight — have been considered violations of international law
since the Hague Convention of 1899, with “directions to give no quarter”
listed as a war crime following World War II.
And it’s not just global rules that are being flouted. Not only does the term no quarter
violate the Geneva Convention, it defies the U.S. Marine Corps’ own rules of engagement:
“Do not engage anyone who has surrendered or is out of battle due to sickness or wounds.”
No public investigation of the incident, either current or planned, means that it’s rational to assume the worst. It could be as simple as bad intel fed to the Americans by the Israelis, as they tend to be more open and brazen about targeting civilian infrastructure.
They could have targeted the school and if kids are there great and if there were no kids they could have just found a hospital to bomb. You can give yourself a dozen reasons why it wouldn't make sense to attack a school but at the end of the day they still did so.
So we have had like 10,000 attacks (probably actually more) over 12 days and there is a report that one school, that was adjacent to an IRGC base and originally part of the base, was hit on Day 1. And nothing like this since. And no one could come up with a motive for why the US would attack a school on Day 1, nor have even attempted to come up with a motive.
Wouldn't Occam's Razor suggest this was most likely an accident, either of intel (they thought the school was part of the base or maybe didnt exist at all) or unintended collateral damage?
No public investigation of the incident, either current or planned, means that it’s rational to assume the worst. It could be as simple as bad intel fed to the Americans by the Israelis, as they tend to be more open and brazen about targeting civilian infrastructure.
Do they? Between the 12 day war earlier this year and this war, Israel has done A LOT of bombing in Iran; with no reports of anything like this.
Why do you even assume this was based on Israeli intel?
Seems like this post says more about your own biases than anything about Israel.
They could have targeted the school and if kids are there great and if there were no kids they could have just found a hospital to bomb. You can give yourself a dozen reasons why it wouldn't make sense to attack a school but at the end of the day they still did so.
Okay, that’s consistent with your priors, so it’s plausible in that sense. But an intelligence failure is also plausible, which doesn’t eliminate culpability regarding war crimes. There’s a big difference between negligence or even gross negligence and intentionality. So that explanation seems plausible, especially considering the school was once part of the military target at one point. That appears to be the consensus view even among humanitarian groups.
So we have had like 10,000 attacks (probably actually more) over 12 days and there is a report that one school, that was adjacent to an IRGC base and originally part of the base, was hit on Day 1. And nothing like this since. And no one could come up with a motive for why the US would attack a school, nor have even attempted to come up with a motive.
I personnally favor this explanation, but I have yet to see one you idiots acknowledging how ridiculous this makes you sound when you are parroting MAGA/Trump/white house/GOP marching orders.
If you really believe it was because of bad intel, then you also have to question everything you've been fed up about Iran's threat level.
If you believe it was unintended collateral damage then you also need to stop promoting the accuracy and perfection of the US military.
As said before, the last day of the war will be the one with the official narrative and it will be accepted without questions, and even better it will be promoted by all the fkn Trump suckers.
edit:even tho I favor the idiotic explanation, I cannot rule out the strike was done with all infos availaible.
Seeing how they treat their own citizens it's absolutely in the realm of possible.
I personnally favor this explanation, but I have yet to see one you idiots acknowledging how ridiculous this makes you sound when you are parroting MAGA/Trump/white house/GOP marching orders.If you really believe it was because of bad intel, then you also have to question everything you've been fed up about Iran's threat level.If you believe it was unintended collateral damage
How well do you understand war (or probability)? Accidents happen. Bad intel happens. Like in every other human endeavor. In fact accidents are much more likely in war than most other human endeavors, as they are happening in a chaotic, high intensity environment with imperfect information.
If we went through this entire war, with thousands upon thousands of missile strikes, and there was one large casualty accident; I suspect this would be the most accurate war in the history of humanity by large orders of magnitude. I suspect in reality this was an accident or collateral damage; and there will be many more such cases that will come to light when the fog of war subsides. Because that is how reality works.
So we have had like 10,000 attacks (probably actually more) over 12 days and there is a report that one school, that was adjacent to an IRGC base and originally part of the base, was hit on Day 1. And nothing like this since. And no one could come up with a motive for why the US would attack a school on Day 1, nor have even attempted to come up with a motive. Wouldn't Occam
I provided not one but two different motives.
It was probably intentional. They don't want the Iranians to do proportional responses they want the Iranians to go nuts so that they can do the same. Killing a bunch of schoolgirls can help to accomplish that.
And doing it on day 1 of the war is going to achieve that better than doing it on day 17.
Also-- they don't want regime change. They want Iran balkanized and destroyed. So killing a bunch of schoolgirls helps preclude the possibly of an uprising by uniting the Iranian people.
Right here Kelhus. I'll guess the second motive of uniting the Iranian people in their resolve against the West would be the primary one. And doing it on the first day would make the most sense.
In this far right homophobic shift in modern society I’m so glad in spite of it all suckbox and the comrade were able to find each other
In this far right homophobic shift in modern society I’m so glad in spite of it all suckbox and the comrade were able to find each other
You're such an idiot.
I'm neither far right, nor right at all, nor do I have anything against gays nor have I ever posted anything against them.
I actually prefer them.
Right here Kelhus. I'll guess the second motive of uniting the Iranian people in their resolve against the West would be the primary one. And doing it on the first day would make the most sense.
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It was probably intentional. They don't want the Iranians to do proportional responses they want the Iranians to go nuts so that they can do the same. Killing a bunch of schoolgirls can help to accomplish that.
And doing it on day 1 of the war is going to achieve that better than doing it on day 17.
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Also-- they don't want regime change. They want Iran balkanized and destroyed. So killing a bunch of schoolgirls helps preclude the possibly of an uprising by uniting the Iranian people.
--So your logic assumes the tremendously unpopular IRGC, fresh off killing somewhere between 30,000-100,000 of their own people, and threatening to kill as many as it takes to retain control; will go crazy on behalf of the people they are terrorizing and massacring because one school was bombed?
--And it further relies on the Iranian people, after 40 years of tremendous oppression, and fresh off being massacred, will rally on behalf of said regime?
--And surprise surprise, there is zero indication any of these things happened. Because it is very bad logic.
--Yeah, I am going to go with Occam's razor suggesting it was an accident
---I will say all indications are Israel, unlike the US, does want an excuse to prolong the fight and degrade the regime as much as possible. And towards this end their decapitation strikes on Day 1 killed several IRGC leaders seen as more moderate, Trump was hoping to negotiate with. And Trump even admitted this.
So we have had like 10,000 attacks (probably actually more) over 12 days and there is a report that one school, that was adjacent to an IRGC base and originally part of the base, was hit on Day 1. And nothing like this since. And no one could come up with a motive for why the US would attack a school on Day 1, nor have even attempted to come up with a motive. Wouldn't Occam
Occams razor would suggest that we are a war mongering country that likes to drop bombs and we don't really care if we somehow blow up a girl's school.
How well do you understand war (or probability)? Accidents happen. Bad intel happens. Like in every other human endeavor. In fact accidents are much more likely in war than most other human endeavors, as they are happening in a chaotic, high intensity environment with imperfect information. If we went through this entire war, with thousands upon thousands of missile strike
Except it wouldn't have if we hadn't started dropping bombs on them.
They are undemocratic forces. That should be known. But DN makes clear that attacking them is nonetheless a crime. And what's Epstein have to do with it?
the Epstein Empire is just another name for the Western Empire. is kind of a meme at this point.
and who cares if they are "undemocratic". as if that means anything. the West is extremely undemocratic.
I'm sure the families will understand.
So you are saying the so called chirurgical strike wasn't that chirurgical?
The military is capable of striking speed boats but not a building?
Please clarify.
whats to clarify? There was 15000 strikes do you expect them to all be perfect? Why would they go out of their way to kill little girls and get bad press. A speed boat carrying drugs is seen as a military target. I just expect more strategic and logical thinking over emotional reactions from people in a poker forum. But I guess fake outrage is fake outrage
Kash Patel fired all the Iran specialists because he's a disgusting pedophile protector like the entire GOP so they aren't operating on good current intel, they are just firing Tomahawk at known targets.
Oh, it's a school now. Was! Would need to update the intel file again but I guess no one can log in.
It’s not like we sent our census surveyors over there to go door to door to verify the intel. A lot of it, or probably most of it, comes from satellite imagery. All things considered, I have a hard time imagining that if you zoomed in on one of those taken over the last several years, you wouldn"t see a bunch of schoolgirls playing soccer in the schoolyard.
The second tap was on purpose.
According to the analysts that was the third strike on the school. And yeah it was on purpose but that's just SOP: they make the first pass, do rapid intel and send the missiles or fighter-bombers to hit what the first pass missed. It was pretty horrific and pretty deplorable for us not to own it.
Occams razor would suggest that we are a war mongering country that likes to drop bombs and we don't really care if we somehow blow up a girl's school.
No. That is your own postmodernist inverted morality biases.
Given the amount of firepower we have dropped, it is clear the US is being about as careful as it can. 10,000 (or whatever bombs) and one reported mass civilian casualty event actually blows the mind how careful we have been.
