[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still
The shame is you still pretending like you know anything at all about physics when you think the floors would come to a complete stop everytime they hit a lower floor. Still one of the absolute dumbest things I've ever read, and I just watched your stupid as try to claim the earth isn't a globe for like 3 weeks in a row or something.
Thrice now you have claimed "physics". Let me help you. As Socrates teaches us, the definition of a word describes its defining feature. What is it that *defines* physics, makes it unique, differentiates it from other fields of study, what is its nature?
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I have, but I don't rate it much, and nor of course did NIST. It refers to 'melting' in a sample from WTC7, but this means softening rather than liquefaction. The term they use more often is 'corrosion', which they attribute to a 'high concentration of sulfides' they can't explain. Googling 'fema report molten steel' will take you there.
Again, NIST didn't rate it.
For the record, those "experts" billy continues to dismiss are indeed experts. While he continually prattles on about socrates and other bullsht, I will just give some brief bios of some of the experts on that forum that have torn Judy Wood's "theories" limb from limb.
Ryan Mackey (R.Mackey on the forum).
Educational Qualifications
Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories at the California Institute of Technology (GALCIT): Advanced graduate studies in aeronautics.
University of California, Santa Cruz: Undergraduate degree.
Professional Qualifications and Experience
Research Scientist at NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL): Specializes in vehicle autonomy and Integrated Systems Health Management (ISHM) for both aircraft and spacecraft.
Aviation and Aerospace Expertise: Has contributed to high-profile projects including:
Joint Strike Fighter program.
NASA’s New Millennium Program.
Project Constellation.
Intellectual Property: Holds at least two U.S. Patents related to his field.
Technical Author: Has authored sixteen NASA Tech Briefs and Technical Reports.
What about them? I called them just "lasers" instead of "space lasers" for your benefit, but you decided to indulge in twattery instead of just taking the olive branch and continuing the discussion.
Billy and Deuces don't want a 'discussion.'
They want to lecture us and have us jump through their arbitrary hoops.
(imo)
These are the experts billy refuses to acknowledge. Remember it doesn't take an expert to refute Judy Wood. She makes a jr high level mistake in the first step of her thesis. One that billy repeats and won't acknowledge.
Dave Thomas
Master of Science in Mathematics.
Bachelor of Science in Mathematics and Physics.
Professional Qualifications and Experience
Current Role: Scientist and computer programmer at the IRIS PASSCAL Instrument Center at New Mexico Tech.
Teaching: Adjunct instructor at New Mexico Tech, teaching courses in physics, psychology, and critical thinking.
Leadership: President of New Mexicans for Science and Reason (NMSR) since 1998 and former president of the New Mexico Academy of Science.
Software Engineering: Experienced in computer programming, expert systems, and data analysis.
Past Experience: Previously worked at BDM International, Inc. and ITW Magnaflux/Quasar.
Recognition and Awards
Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI): Recognized for his extensive writings in Skeptical Inquirer magazine.
Brown Award: Received New Mexico Tech's highest undergraduate honor in 1979.
Langmuir Award: Awarded for significant scientific publication.
Friend of Darwin Award: Granted by the National Center for Science Education in 2000.
Some users value their anonymity, but the forum allows verification of credentials by the moderators.
Username: Architect (credentials verified by mod upon registration)
I hold a Bachelor of Science (Upper Second Division) in Architectural Studies, with elective subjects including structural engineering.
I hold a postgraduate Bachelor of Architecture.
I passed my RIBA Part III test of professional competence in 1993, following my second year of practical experience, and therefore have been working in the field for a good 15 years now.
I am on the UK ARB (Architects Registration Board) Register and am a chartered member of the Royal institute of British Architects (RIBA).
Until a couple of months ago, I worked for Ian Simpson Architects on a variety of tall buildings projects, including the Beetham Tower in Manchester, and now work for another leading practice also specialising in tall buildings/commercial work.
From 1993 to 1995 I was a civil servant (gasp horror) working on improving fire resistance, etc. on existing buildings in state care following the Windsor fire.
And then there is Jay Windley, one of my personal heroes, and the reason I got into skepticism and debunking in the first place.
Educational Background
Engineering Degree: He holds a degree in Engineering (specifically identified in his work as providing the basis for his analysis of aerospace systems and photographic evidence).
Specialized Training: He has extensive self-disclosed experience and formal training in professional photography and photographic analysis, which he uses to debunk claims about "anomalous" lighting and shadows in Apollo photos.
Professional Qualifications and Experience
Aerospace Industry: He has a professional background in the aerospace and defense industry, particularly in systems engineering and technical writing.
Technical Author: He is highly regarded for his ability to translate complex orbital mechanics, film chemistry, and lunar environmental data into accessible technical reports for the public.
Subject Matter Expert: He is frequently cited by scientific organizations and media outlets as an expert on the technical reality of the Apollo missions. His site, Clavius.org, is considered one of the most comprehensive resources for the physics and engineering of the lunar landings.
I could go on for days and days and days. All of these people are present in the threads I linked earlier that billy just handwaves away and then puts quotes around the word experts. But they are all unanimous that Judy Wood is a loon and her theories are not even remotely plausible.
Billy is an anonymous goofball who claims credentials but fails at actual junior high physics.
Gee, who do we believe?
Has the gorgo malfunctioned?
Anyway, more homework for y'all (geezerchess I will be checking).
This excellent piece explores quite a bit:
https://dhughes.substack.com/p/in-defenc...
Note the lack of primary evidence of molten steel. But plenty of hearsay encouraged by the intelligence services to muddy the waters. One could be forgiven for falling for it.
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And then there is Jay Windley, one of my personal heroes, and the reason I got into skepticism and debunking in the first place.Educational Background Engineering Degree: He holds a degree in Engineering (specifically identified in his work as providing the basis for his analysis of aerospace systems and photographic evidence). Specialized Training: He has extensive self-
I'm sure Billy has sources that are at least equally credentialed.
(I could be wrong though.)
Re the above it appears deuces could have fallen for a CIA psyop himself on the molten steel front.
Ofc, this is at level 2. Y'all are at level 1 so don't even think about gloating.
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Re the above it appears deuces could have fallen for a CIA psyop himself on the molten steel front.
Ofc, this is at level 2. Y'all are at level 1 so don't even think about gloating.
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What level are you on?
And I assume these levels, they are of idiocy?
Anyway this is all a d2 conspiracy with assistance from useful idiot gorgo to prevent deuces from seeing my posts re judy wood primary evidence and david hughes piece.
So stfu and let the man speak.
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It's a strange take on an appeal to authority where he just reels off people randomly and their alleged quals without actually making any point.
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I'm impressed that your guy, David Hughes, allegedly has doctorates in Foreign Relations and German Studies.
It's a strange take on an appeal to authority where he just reels off people randomly and their alleged quals without actually making any point.
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You supported Judy Wood's theories by listing her qualifications. He supported the people discrediting her theories by listing their qualifications. Doesn't seem all that complicated.
It's a strange take on an appeal to authority where he just reels off people randomly and their alleged quals without actually making any point.
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No no. That's not what an appeal to authority fallacy is. In fact, these are not random people. These are the people that destroyed your theories parroted from Judy wood 20 years ago that you just handwaved away.
And they are verified credentials. You can look them up yourself other than the anonymous one.
You'll do anything to avoid addressing this topic.
No no. That's not what an appeal to authority fallacy is. In fact, these are not random people. These are the people that destroyed your theories parroted from Judy wood 20 years ago that you just handwaved away.
And they are verified credentials. You can look them up yourself other than the anonymous one.
You'll do anything to avoid addressing this topic.
Billy seems to think that trotting out the names of random fallacies instead of just saying "I disagree with your point" makes him sound smarter.
