1/3 ~ boat facing check/jam
1/3 ~ 9 handed
Super passive table
Villain was the only one with some aggression preflop, postflop still very passive unle
For all the people saying hero should raise turn, are we calling a 3B? What if we raise turn, V flat calls, and then he donk jams river?
I'm not hating on the suggestion. I said in my first post that was torn between calling and raising.
I just think it may be an over-play here, or at least makes our hand pretty face up as trip 6's or better, and as the original raiser in a 3BP, it's probably more likely we have JJ than 6x.
When V has AA he can put us in the blender by 3Bing turn or donk jamming spade rivers. When he just has AX he might get away from it on the turn, and if not, he's not paying us off on the river.
I think we can target a wider range by betting flop for a small size, and then checking back turn. We let him get to the river with all the KK/QQ that didn't fold to our small flop bet, and all his AX, and all his draws.
Previously said you can’t fold, but you were there. I think you have to learn to trust your instincts. When you are logically evaluating your options and think you are beat, you have to find that fold. Trust yourself, maybe you picked up something unconsciously.
Often when I get to the river, I have a plan and after evaluating (I never tank long), I realize that my best play is the opposite of what I initially thought. But this is not what I’m talking about here. I’m just coming to a logical conclusion.
What I’m talking about is a feeling or intuition that though you are strong, villain is stronger. Sometimes it’s more than hand reading, you just know.
Following you, I think you have a good feel for the game and finding a fold like this would be great for your bottom line. Not saying I’m great at this, I make plenty of mistakes, but this is worth nurturing and I’m better than I used to be.
Bottom line is this is not a hand to beat yourself up over. Folding full houses at low limits is not usually smart. But when you keep having that nagging feeling that you’re beat, it’s a good move to act on it.
For some reason, there’s a major fear of being bluffed in this game and it leads to call downs. Yet, many a poster has said that they would be much richer if they just didn’t make those calls. But nobody wants to fold & get shown a bluff. Why can’t we just laugh about it.
I don’t think you can ever fold sitting here reading your hand history in a tough spot like this. But when you’re there, it’s the monster advantage over online play, you can look into his eyes and see what’s in there.
that check jam is super polarized. if you know hes never bluffing, folding is the disciplined play even if it feels gross. dont sweat it too much.
4! pre is terrible at 1/3. Even if you have seen him 3! 3 times, you have to assume his 3! range is tight. Not sure this is even a 4! hand in a 5/10 game. Other Deuce is not a good player, but he is not always wrong.
I gave you a compliment. No one else here has said anything nearly as nice.
It's one of those spots where it's super obvious what he has, and thus. not really a cooler, but even after years of experience/play we'll still pay it off too much in the moment.
Things to try to remember:
1. When the person who could just bet flop, checks instead and then wants to pile money in on later streets when not much has changed it's like 99.999% that they flopped huge. Finding bluffs is very hard, but slow playing the nuts happens often.
2. Ranges only ever get narrower.
3. Even someone with a very aggressive 3bet range doesn't have much A6 preflop. And 33 would have to be playing very special on multiple earlier streets.
4. Even if V is overvaluing a nut flush ... there's like one combo. of KQs (he can't even have one combo. of KJs).
5. Smaller 3bets are much more often AA/KK in my experience, unless V is _much_ better than average at 1-2/1-3.
...also in the moment I probably raise turn, but again I'm just not sure how much people play AK this way unless they think I'm going to stab at all boards when they check so it might well be better to call turn planning to just call river. I would bet much smaller on the river, but if anything that might make it more difficult in the moment to fold.
It's one of those spots where it's super obvious what he has, and thus. not really a cooler, but even after years of experience/play we'll still pay it off too much in the moment.
Not sure what the debate is about anymore but certainly not 4betting this pre. As played, with the river over-bet it's just a fold and it's really not that close/interesting of a spot either. They bluff here exactly 0% of the time and this is never A6 or 33 either. Not vs a river over-bet.
This would've been a more interesting spot if we had not over-bet and faced a shove.
Turn is interesting. I kinda like the call tbh but I can see why people want to raise.
Reasons for 4-betting
1. Value
End of list
No, I don't think you did.
I am pro-4betting. You clearly think it's "terrible".
How's that a compliment?
Sorry, I misunderstood. I take it back about your sometimes being right.
I did agree with some of what you said about open limping Axs in a 1/3 or 1/2 game.
Not sure what the debate is about anymore but certainly not 4betting this pre. As played, with the river over-bet it's just a fold and it's really not that close/interesting of a spot either. They bluff here exactly 0% of the time and this is never A6 or 33 either. Not vs a river over-bet. This would've been a more interesting spot if we had not over-bet and faced a shove. Turn
It looks like a slow play and he shoves over the overbet.
That he 3! pre also weights it towards AA, particularly in a 1/3 game, even if he had been 3-betting.
Hard fold to make though.
