USA Goes to War Against Iran

The US won't invade me as long as I can lob one into tel aviv.

Yet people get shot in the streets of America by government agents and you're like "nbd. We need to concern ourselves with a country that's at least 10 years away from having the ability to bomb the US."

Right and enriching uranium for the sole purpose of developing a warhead to threaten a large population center isn’t going to happen. So you’d have to figure out another strategy.

HU4ROLLZ obv

right. its pretty obv that the only reason Iran does not have a nuke is due to their morality and integrity. you cant say the same for the Western Jewish and White Supremacists.

also, they wouldnt nuke Palestine if they had one and if **** hit the fan. they want to free Palestine, not destroy it. thats the difference between the freedom loving Iranians and the genocidal Israelis who burn the land to the ground.

FWIW, I consider both these persons Russian agents at this point, and do not condone this type of rhetoric towards Europeans.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

In terms of delivery system difficulty, there's a world of difference between a warhead and a bomb, especially if you have a committed pilot.

How is that going?

I don't think there's much dispute over this with the US.

Hawk (Trump): Iran must not have nuclear weapons or enrichment capability under any circumstances. If Iran refuses to completely abandon its enrichment program, it will be rendered unable to continue, up to and including total war (full scale ground invasion),

Dove (Obama): Iran must not have nuclear weapons under any circumstances. If Iran refuses to delimit its enrichment program, it will be rendered unable to continue, up to and including total war (full scale ground invasion).

you think we care? you know nukes can be delivered via truck and snuck into a stadium. you don't need a balistic missle

Iran strikes Tel Aviv with cluster warheads in retaliation for killing of security chief

The attack overnight on Tuesday killed two people in a neighbourhood close to densely populated Tel Aviv, where there are also key military facilities, bringing the death toll in Israel from the war to at least 14.

And of course ...

Most U.S. allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization have told Trump they don't want to get involved in the conflict, he said on Tuesday, describing their position as "a very foolish mistake."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ira...

you think that there is any realistic scenario where a truck crosses into the US with a nuke?

the possible situations I saw don’t reflect that at all, do you have a source naming this as a potential scenario? this is without us doing really that much to try to prevent a nuke being smuggled into the US (although it’s not zero). if we thought Iran was close to a nuke I assume we would do a lot more.

also the thing I’m really skeptical of is that some in this thread think Iran was rational enough to not pursue a nuke because they thought they could build up the IRGC under the JCPOA, but not rational enough to understand that if they detonated a nuke on American soil they would soon be annihilated off the face of the planet with the blessing of the entire world.

I’m skeptical of such a psychological profile of a regime that will cooperate with the international community because they were pursuing a long term strategy of conventional military dominance but in reality they are insane sociopaths who are just greedily rubbing their fingers together waiting to set off nukes in every major city in the US.

The intelligence agency report stated that Iran was 10 years away from developing an ICBM that could reach the US if they so choose to continue its development.

I don't think they'd resort to nukes unprovoked. I think they want them for deterence, which if ineffective would lead to them resorting to them. For instance, 'if' they had them right now, what do you think the chances are they'd use them? I think it's more likely than not they would.

When you say freedom loving iranians, are you talking about the Iranian population or the IRGC or both?
What's your take on the recent massacre of protesters in Iran?
Was that fake news?

These days I don't even know what your take is.

also quote from John21

Same take and an agreement was made under Obama, just to be destroyed by Trump.
It makes a big difference,

We don't what would happen, and there is also the potential for proliferation or nuclear material ending up in even worse hands. Iran with nuclear weapons would be a disaster, and it would likely be a disaster also for Iran.

For that matter, anyone with nuclear weapons is a disaster. It is just a bad idea. There is this myth of that nuclear weapons deter nuclear war, or even the worst myth that nuclear weapons deter conventional war. Neither myth holds any water. Conventional wars happen just fine regardless of nuclear weapons, and if you read up incidents of near nuclear war incidents in the past, there was no grand strategic decisions that protected us. It was incompetence and idiocy stopped by sheer luck and random chance.

Still, if we return to Iran and the idea is that the regime will attain nuclear weapons, then this predicates that efforts to stop that should, you know... work. There is is very little in this war that indicate that. There isn't solid evidence presented, we were even told such capacities had already been destroyed not long ago by the players involved. This is a post-truth conflict; opaque and led by liars.

Instead we get the twice-repeated mantra in this thread that "the toothpaste is out of the tube", which seems like a hopeful way to turn sunk cost fallacy into a win.

Revolutionary Iran put down a color revolution coordinated and backed by the West, as numerous officials and media members admitted or bragged about. and 30k ofc is an absurd number and obv fake news.

Interesting article on the US and it's democratic decline and Trump's ambitions to be a dictator

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2026/mar/17/trump-is-aiming-for-dictatorship-thats-the-verdict-of-the-worlds-most-credible-democracy-watchdog

I don't how anyone trusts that Pete Hegseth guy to run the war. One look at him and a listen and you know he's an imbecile and a lot of reports of alcohol problems. Not exactly a comforting thought.

Ok so what would be a right estimate of the casualties according to you or your news?
And obviously if it's >1 it's already horrific to shoot on protesters (right?).

Trump is strikingly oblivious to the domestic politics of other countries. He has spend most of the last decade making himself as despised as he possibly can among the citizens of U.S.'s traditional allies in Western Europe. And I'm sure he is mostly despised on a personal level by the political leaders of Western Europe.

That approach has consequences. And one of the consequences is that it becomes extremely costly politically for a Western European leader to be seen as helping Trump in something like the Iran war. Those leaders of course have to weigh the political cost of helping Trump against the economic cost (and knock-on political cost) of not helping, but so far, the scales seem to be tipped in favor of not helping. And not helping comes with the extra bonus of embarrassing Trump and eroding his political support within the United States.

In other words, even if Trump assumed that the leaders of Western Europe were soulless ghouls like him who care nothing about civilian casualties and care only about themselves and preserving their positions of power, he should have realized that their interest in direct participation was bound to be tepid at best unless the economic pain became so great as to make the whole thing an obviously bad idea for Trump in the first place.

Plus there is the fact that no amount of help could reopen the straight. It's militarily impossible if Iran doesn't want it open and everyone but Trump and probably him too knows that. So it would be suicide missions he's asking for

bc from what I can tell, your framing is not accurate. they didnt just fire on a bunch of peaceful protesters. in fact, there were weeks of peaceful protest and the government agreed that the grievances were legit and claimed to be working to address them.

then violent Western backed thugs started attacking civilians, police (who dont carry guns btw), mosques, and civil buildings. multiple Israeli and US officials claimed credit for this color revolution and multiple pro-West news outlets reported it as such.

did Iran kill innocent people? did they crack down too hard? no idea, but countries have a right to suppress violent Western backed color revolutions. its not like this is some new event, we have seen it countless times including in Venezuela, Ukraine, Russia, China, Belarus.

For awhile the US has been ordering Israel to keep specific officials alive, in hopes for diplomacy, that never really materialized. And there isn't a lot of confidence right now it will in the near future.

Maybe they are exaggerating for leverage, and this isn't completely true. But Israel has announced they have been given full carte blanche to hunt and assassinate IRGC officials at all levels, and they are being given lots of ground intelligence by Iranian people. As more and more IRGC and Basij are assassinated, it will be interesting to see how long the regime will stay propped up.

Israel also partially bombed an important natural gas field. This is in response to a IRGC cluster bomb attack that killed a couple civilians in Tel Aviv. Seems Israel's MO will be to just target regime officials, but respond by attacking infrastructure anytime an IRGC attack against Israeli civilians is successful. Which is basically what they have been doing with the Houthis.