USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
We’re pretty much being forced to see this war to the end if we don’t want to be left in a far worse geo-strategic position than when we entered it. Stopping their nuclear program may have been a pyrrhic victory at best without seeing the regime change through.I have a feeling the neo-cons knew this and were banking on it. They were also banking on Trump being too d
When push comes to shove I don’t think any neo-cons actually wanted this. Hence why it has never happened to this point including and especially when bolton of all people was part of the admin in the first term
I suspect the consequences this quagmire has already produced is probably why. A forever war is fine and dandy until it’s initiated in a place that has the potential to collapse the global economy
Replace 'neo-cons' with 'netanyahu'.
He has risked israel's future on the usa not just ****ing off.
I see you've changed your reasoning for why Trump attacked. That makes you and Trump having at least one thing in common. Are you trying to imply that Iran was behind October 7th? Is it your contention that Afghans are proxies of the US because the US spent $80 billion and trained their soldiers for 20 years? Were you in favor of Trump wanting to bring the Taliban to the White
Iran finances and supports their axis of resistance in part so that their goals can be achieved without their explicit involvement. It’s very convenient and works wonders on idiots like yourself. Maybe you don’t care about Israel, but I do. Leaving our ally to be surrounded by radical terrorists isn’t going to happen.
Trump can’t help but mess up everything and anything he’s involved in. Attacking Iran isn’t morally wrong, but from the get to we should have been letting Israel call the shots and Trump should have kept his mouth shut.
Idk why you keep calling Trump “my boy” when I told you I voted for Harris. It’s puzzling.
Maybe you’re only concerned with Iran being ~10 years away from having the capabilities to launch a nuke at the continental US but you’re an idiot. 10 Years is a pretty short timeline and obviously the concern is them having any nuclear capabilities and being able to threaten targets in the ME.
I’d say Iran is on a shorter leash now. They are getting wrecked militarily. We are winning big. Iran will no longer be able to threaten the world. You all should give thanks Israel and the US.
I have no issues with Persians. I never said one bombing was necessarily worse than the other. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of you people.
Cool. Same propaganda coming from the White House. I'll bet you think Rene Good and Alex Pretti were domestic terrorists.
I'm on record saying what I said: a ground invasion isn't remotely in the cards. Both the domestic and international support just isn't there for something like that. From the sound of things MAGA wouldn't either, let alone virtually everyone else. I do think it's possible or even likely that we'll have some boots on the ground to open the Strait if it comes to that. So if I ha
Boots on the ground is boots on the ground. It doesn't matter what kind of pretzel you want to twist yourself into trying to assert that a military offensively putting boots on the ground in another country isn't a ground invasion of that country.
By the same logic, Japan didn't invade the US in 1941; they were just preventing a fleet of ships from leaving the harbor.
Nor do I think we'd really need to. Protests are still going on daily in several cities. So I'm thinking we might do something to get the anti-regime elements armed so the Iranians can deal with regime at the ground level.
Hilarious. Ask your bot, ChatGPT, how this panned out all the other times the US tried this in the Middle East.
Iran finances and supports their axis of resistance in part so that their goals can be achieved without their explicit involvement. It’s very convenient and works wonders on idiots like yourself. Maybe you don’t care about Israel, but I do. Leaving our ally to be surrounded by radical terrorists isn’t going to happen.
So they do what the US does? Funny how you don't have a problem with it when the US does it.
You're one of those brain-dead morons who thinks if the US is doing it, then it's must be just because you're convinced the US can do no wrong.
Israel can smoke Iran with no issue at all. They don't need the US to help bomb the chit out of them. If they need assistance from an ally, the US can provide it in other ways besides starting a war for them, you warmonger who doesn't give a chit about the US.
Trump can’t help but mess up everything and anything he’s involved in. Attacking Iran isn’t morally wrong, but from the get to we should have been letting Israel call the shots and Trump should have kept his mouth shut.
Idk why you keep calling Trump “my boy” when I told you I voted for Harris. It’s puzzling.
Well, if you support the US getting into another protracted conflict in the Middle East, then you either support Trump or you're ******ed. You pick - same difference.
Maybe you’re only concerned with Iran being ~10 years away from having the capabilities to launch a nuke at the continental US but you’re an idiot. 10 Years is a pretty short timeline and obviously the concern is them having any nuclear capabilities and being able to threaten targets in the ME.
One of the dumbest things I've read in this forum recently. I'm guessing you also think Trump tearing up the nuclear deal was a good move, too, eh?
Boots on the ground is boots on the ground. It doesn't matter what kind of pretzel you want to twist yourself into trying to assert that a military offensively putting boots on the ground in another country isn't a ground invasion of that country.
No, I can assert that. From 3/2:
Were it not for Iran's nuclear ambitions, the last two bombing campaigns would not have happened. That makes gutting their nuclear program the primary objective. It doesn't appear were mobilizing for a ground campaign but we'll still need boots on the ground. So I'm thinking that will come mostly for the air and maybe some amphibious inserts around the Straight. As for keeping
When push comes to shove everything is gonna be ok. There will be no forever war. Iran will never have nukes. Iran will no longer have the ability to produce ballistic missiles. I know many of you want Iran to win this war just to spite Trump and Bibi. I know many of you suffer with tremendous anxiety and worry about things that never happen. Trust me, it’s all gonna be good.
Folks, it’s time to let go of your anger. It’s time to support your country. We can all agree that the Iranian regime is evil. You guys can go back to your cute little rallies and your clever slogans after this is over.
You literally said there's not going to be a ground invasion in that exact post I quoted. You somehow think that boots on the ground for _reasons_ isn't an invasion by another country. Kooky speak.
That a ground invasion entails boots on the ground doesn't mean boots on the ground entails a ground invasion. Ground invasions are about entering, occupying and taking control of enemy territory.
That a ground invasion entails boots on the ground doesn't mean boots on the ground entails a ground invasion. Ground invasions are about entering, occupying and taking control of enemy territory.
You mean like dropping boots on the ground to occupy and take control of the Strait of Hormuz?
Dude up in here trying to change what words mean.
I know many of you suffer with tremendous anxiety and worry about things that never happen.
Migrant caravans, trans everywhere, eating cats and dogs, autism crisis, vaccine hoax, 5G brain waves, et cetera, et cetera.
A majority of MAGA is so terrified, they refuse to set foot inside a major US city. The entire ****ing movement is based on manufactured fear.
When push comes to shove everything is gonna be ok. There will be no forever war. Iran will never have nukes. Iran will no longer have the ability to produce ballistic missiles. I know many of you want Iran to win this war just to spite Trump and Bibi. I know many of you suffer with tremendous anxiety and worry about things that never happen. Trust me, it’s all gonna be good.
Also this stupid rapist saying the words ‘Trust me, it’s all gonna be good.’ has to be the most disgusted I’ve ever felt reading a post on this forum. Legit feel like I need to take a shower
You mean like dropping boots on the ground to occupy and take control of the Strait of Hormuz?
Dude up in here trying to change what words mean.
I guess you're referring to yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-...
Pentagon prepares for weeks of ground operations in Iran
The Pentagon is preparing for weeks of ground operations in Iran, U.S. officials said, as thousands of American soldiers and Marines arrive in the Middle East for what could become a dangerous new phase of the war should President Donald Trump choose to escalate.
Any potential ground operation would fall short of a full-scale invasion and could instead involve raids by a mixture of Special Operations forces and conventional infantry troops, said the officials.
It's not that literal. "Boots on the ground" can mean different things depending on context. It's an ambiguous phrase unlike "No boots on the ground, period!"
[QUOTE= ibid]Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-Wisconsin), a staunch supporter of the president and a retired Navy SEAL, told reporters Thursday that he has been “100 percent crystal clear from the beginning” that he is against putting troops on Iranian soil.[/QUOTE]
Pretty clear what he means.
Migrant caravans, trans everywhere, eating cats and dogs, autism crisis, vaccine hoax, 5G brain waves, et cetera, et cetera.
A majority of MAGA is so terrified, they refuse to set foot inside a major US city. The entire ****ing movement is based on manufactured fear.
I agree MAGA is similar to the left in that they fear things that will probably never happen. I think MAGA is a dying breed though. Most Conservatives are rational people.
The rapist having zero opinions on his raping but a thousand opinions on everything else is one hell of a tell iyam
Cool. Same propaganda coming from the White House. I'll bet you think Rene Good and Alex Pretti were domestic terrorists. Boots on the ground is boots on the ground. It doesn't matter what kind of pretzel you want to twist yourself into trying to assert that a military offensively putting boots on the ground in another country isn't a ground invasion of that country. By the sam
The nuclear deal was clearly not stopping Iran from pursuing weapons grade uranium. I’ve never supported a protracted campaign in Iran. We should have provided cover for the IDF to kill Khamenei, blow up a bunch of military targets and get out.
MAGAts are dumber than dirt but anti-Israeli propaganda tearing through the left was a big factor in Trumps campaign. You can see its effects all over this thread.
And obviously the Israelis themselves have become increasingly radicalized through generations of exposure to extreme violence from neighboring Arab and Muslim states.
The nuclear deal was clearly not stopping Iran from pursuing weapons grade uranium. I’ve never supported a protracted campaign in Iran. We should have provided cover for the IDF to kill Khamenei, blow up a bunch of military targets and get out.
well thats what they tried and, I gotta say, its doesnt appear to be working out so well for the Epstein Coalition.
I guess you're referring to yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-...
It's not that literal. "Boots on the ground" can mean different things depending on context. It's an ambiguous phrase unlike "No boots on the ground, period!"
Pretty clear what he means.
You literally said "a ground invasion is not in the cards."
Now you're moving the goalposts and suggesting that only a full-scale ground invasion is an invasion. Sorry, boyo, but it's an invasion either way.
There is no ambiguity to the phrase no boots on the ground, lmao. When Trump and the administration said to the American people, "There will be no boots on the ground," the connotation absolutely is, "There will be no boots on the ground, period."
This is why you're a Trump cuck, regardless of who you voted for and whether you like or hate Trump. Your approval of the war is making you twist yourself into a pretzel to defend it, and in the process you're doing Trump's bidding for him.
The nuclear deal was clearly not stopping Iran from pursuing weapons grade uranium.
Cite, please.
Those are the only campaigns in Iran that exist, hence why no other president took the bait.
We should have provided cover for the IDF to kill Khamenei, blow up a bunch of military targets and get out.
Yeah... sounds good at the kitchen table, but it doesn't work that way in practice, especially when there's also stuff to steal.
MAGAts are dumber than dirt but anti-Israeli propaganda tearing through the left was a big factor in Trumps campaign. You can see its effects all over this thread.
Being against the war is not being anti-Israel.
You literally said "a ground invasion is not in the cards."Now you're moving the goalposts and suggesting that only a full-scale ground invasion is an invasion. Sorry, boyo, but it's an invasion either way. There is no ambiguity to the phrase no boots on the ground, lmao. When Trump and the administration said to the American people, "There will be no boots on the ground," the
You’re clearly under the influence of strong anti-Israeli propaganda bud. Might be time to get your head out of the sand.
You’re clearly under the influence of strong anti-Israeli propaganda bud. Might be time to get your head out of the sand.
How many posts do I have in the Israel/Palestine thread?
I'll save you the trouble: I have one post, and it was from before Trump was elected and it was only in reference to someone saying Trump must be elected to bring peace.
Surely if I was anti-Israel I would be going off about Israel in a 50k+ post thread, right? Use your brain, little man.
BTW, the government raised the enlistment age limit to 42. If you're 42 or under, enlist in the service; if not, encourage your family members who are. If it's worth other people's kids dying for, it must be worth your own kids dying for.
But let's get back to the topic: cite your source that clearly shows Iran was enriching uranium while hamstrung by the JCPOA. Do you have facts or is this another "Trust me, bro" assertion again?
