[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still
It is simply amazing how d2 has switched in his own head that it has been me all along saying the experts are wrong on collapse times.
It is he who is claiming nist have the wrong time. Because gorgo tubz.
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Maybe if you were able to follow the thread of a logical discussion and make cogent points instead of shitting all over yourself every 10 seconds and going off on wild tangents about the meanings of basic phrases for weeks on end, then it'd be a little easier to keep track of what the **** it is you're actually going on about.
Are you under the impression that this is the only example of people jumping to their deaths from burning buildings in order to avoid being burned alive?
It isn't. Not even close. I find it entirely plausible that someone would choose to jump rather than be burned to death.
Ok. As I said it is a part of the puzzle. There is further detail in.... yep, Dr Wood's excellent book. Required reading for anybody interested in serious analysis of 911.
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Hey Billy, I found you a book that is required reading for anyone interested in a serious analysis of Earth curvature:
It wasn't clear you wanted a response to
Pew pew pew
And
Vroom wroom whoosh.
I don't know about the planes. I am merely saying that both things may have happened.
An interesting aside: the numbers of the planes are "occulted" numbers. As is the date itself of course. This is discussed in the footnotes to the "9 after 909" edition of the memoirs of billy shears btw. There have been a lot of "war" related events on 9/11. Or 11/9.
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It is not me saying NIST got the time wrong.
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That's because you are relying on fairly trivial errors or approximations in order to promote a spurious theory, like people who claim that a detective's report of a 'Mauser type rifle' found at the Texas School Book Depository means a second weapon, when in fact the cop was just doing his best to describe Oswald's Carcano, which closely resembled a Mauser type much more familiar on the US sporting-goods market.
Good news, I think I had a billy sighting in Boulder yesterday. Was in the liquor store next to Safeway and in strolled a guy with shorts, tank top with no shoes wearing the below hat. I got a glimpse of his feet to confirm no shoes and I did see the outline of a standard flip flop tattooed to one of his feet.
That's because you are relying on fairly trivial errors or approximations in order to promote a spurious theory, like people who claim that a detective's report of a 'Mauser type rifle' found at the Texas School Book Depository means a second weapon, when in fact the cop was just doing his best to describe Oswald's Carcano, which closely resembled a Mauser type much more famili
Indeed. So Billy, now we've spent the last few weeks establishing that various reports of 9-12 second collapse times are mistaken (we can in fact establish this very easily by observing footage of the event for ourselves), I trust we will be hearing no more from you about this collapse time nonsense.
Now, if you were to present a model that made the collapse time we observe in the video (15-20 seconds) impossible, that would be a different proposition altogether. But alas, you have presented no such model. The only model you've presented gives us a minimum of 11.5 seconds, well below the observed duration.
Ok. As I said it is a part of the puzzle. There is further detail in.... yep, Dr Wood's excellent book. Required reading for anybody interested in serious analysis of 911.
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People jumping is entirely consistent with the official narrative. So how is it a piece of a conspiracy puzzle? Why does the fact of people jumping point away from the official narrative at all?
Another question. If this space laser technology exists, why are modern militaries still ****ing around with conventional bombs?
People jumping is entirely consistent with the official narrative. So how is it a piece of a conspiracy puzzle? Why does the fact of people jumping point away from the official narrative at all?
Another question. If this space laser technology exists, why are modern militaries still ****ing around with conventional bombs?
Ah, I see you are trying to bamboozle Billy with your "facts" and "logic". Nice try, but he's far too shrewd for those shenanigans.
I tried to subtly point out using pansy pejoratively is homophobic.
You continue to do this.
Noted.
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And I told you a pansy is a delicate flower which you are acting like. However, to avoid the appearance that I am insensitive to these issues, I will begin calling you a wimp instead.
Quit running away, wimp.
Here's a reminder of how much of the collapse was not finished yet after 11-12 seconds for each of the towers:
They didn't collapse in 12 seconds. It took 15 and 22 seconds. This isn't controversial.
That's because you are relying on fairly trivial errors or approximations in order to promote a spurious theory, like people who claim that a detective's report of a 'Mauser type rifle' found at the Texas School Book Depository means a second weapon, when in fact the cop was just doing his best to describe Oswald's Carcano, which closely resembled a Mauser type much more famili
Ok mister weapons expert. Why not research DEW?
Saying 15 s is approximately 9 seconds or that 22 s is approximately 11 s would be rather strange, coming from an internationally recognised authority on measures.
Good to see you finally have seen sense that the "9 and 11 s" claim was indeed for the collapse rather than some small piece of it. I did try to tell you this is consistent with the full report "within 12 seconds".
But now we have moved on to the simple assertion that:
NIST are wrong.
2p2 degens are right.
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Let's just have a quick reminder of a few things Billy thinks experts are wrong about:
1. Earth is actually flat
2. Sun is actually much closer than we think and is electric
3. Terrestrial gravity is different to universal gravity
4. Mass of 9/11 debris actually about 1/10th of what we have been told
Experts are wrong about all this, yet they can't be 30% off on an unimportant data point for timing an event we can't even see. Amazing.
Indeed. So Billy, now we've spent the last few weeks establishing that various reports of 9-12 second collapse times are mistaken (we can in fact establish this very easily by observing footage of the event for ourselves), I trust we will be hearing no more from you about this collapse time nonsense.Now, if you were to present a model that made the collapse time we observe in t
I would like nothing more than to play along with your fantasy. It goes something like this:
We must completely ignore what multiple experts have said re collapse time.
We do not need objective facts.
We must not cite them nor mention them. They do not exist.
We must have our own system of keeping time. Some mechanism of local time dilation perhaps.
We will cite gorgo. Yes, gorgo and loltubz, and time dilation.
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And I told you a pansy is a delicate flower which you are acting like. However, to avoid the appearance that I am insensitive to these issues, I will begin calling you a wimp instead.
Quit running away, wimp.
Is calling someone a pussy still acceptable? I'm not really with the PC times.
Another question. If this space laser technology exists, why are modern militaries still ****ing around with conventional bombs?
I will defer to resident military expert 57 on red to explain why an armed forces might like to have a few different facets to its operations.
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Here's a reminder of how much of the collapse was not finished yet after 11-12 seconds for each of the towers: They didn't collapse in 12 seconds. It took 15 and 22 seconds. This isn't controversial.
I am sure NIST and the others will be delighted to hear of your, er, findings.
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I would like nothing more than to play along with your fantasy. It goes something like this:We must completely ignore what multiple experts have said re collapse time.We do not need objective facts.We must not cite them nor mention them. They do not exist.We must have our own system of keeping time. Some mechanism of local time dilation perhaps.We will cite gorgo. Yes, gorgo an
Ah yes, our own system of keeping time. Like noting the timestamps of when an event started, when it completed, and performing a subtraction. Pretty controversial stuff, I have to admit. I guess until NIST certify our method, we're just stuck in limbo about how to time things. And as you rightly point out, we're not even accounting for relativistic or gravitational time dilation. That's at least a few nanoseconds of error right there.
Let's just have a quick reminder of a few things Billy thinks experts are wrong about:1. Earth is actually flat2. Sun is actually much closer than we think and is electric3. Terrestrial gravity is different to universal gravity4. Mass of 9/11 debris actually about 1/10th of what we have been toldExperts are wrong about all this, yet they can't be 30% off on an unimportant data
Let us remind ourselves of d2's continued error of ad hom fallacy and how this undermines his argument.
It is also a "tu quoque".
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So Billy, since you appear to have no response at all other than "hurr durr you guys think NIST got it wrong lol", I assume this is the last we'll be hearing from you about collapse time nonsense. Move on to the next thing.
Let us remind ourselves of d2's continued error of ad hom fallacy and how this undermines his argument.
It is also a "tu quoque".
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It's all of those things, with "good lord, you're a dumb hypocritical twat" now thrown in for good measure. It doesn't undermine my argument at all though, because my argument is completely independent of whatever you're blathering on about.
But go on, explain to us why experts are wrong about all those things yet infallible about the collapse time. We're listening.
