USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Then the logical extension of your worldview is similar to Victor's. That Jews are inherently psychopaths that dont respond reasonably.
This doesn't follow at all. We are talking about the actions of governments. The U.S. government's response to September 11, which ultimately included a war against Iraq was predictable given who was in charge at the time, but it also was excessive and unreasonable.
This doesn't follow at all. We are talking about the actions of governments. The U.S. government's response to September 11, which ultimately included a war against Iraq was predictable given who was in charge at the time, but it also was excessive and unreasonable.
You are coming front frame the Netanyahu govt is a cause of the dysfunction. I see it as a predictable, reasonable response.
The bottom line is that Israel appeasing Palestinian intransigence and restraint against belligerent neighbors was rewarded by terrorism, death and destruction.
And siloing off the Palestinians in ghettos, and being more forceful in response to neighbor belligerence has brought relative peace and prosperity to Israel. In totality Israel has become more peaceful and prosperous under Netanyahu the Any of the preceding govts.
Until you change the environmental conditions and outcomes, don’t expect the response to change.
Now maybe Netanyahu bit off more than he can chew in the last year, and he won’t bring positive results this time around. We shall see. Jury isn’t out yet.
Hamas is a shell of itself, has lost half its territory in Gaza, and has been reduced to a gang of teenagers with assault rifles terrorizing and extorting their own people. Posing zero threat to Israel relative to its capabilities before.
If something similar happens with Hezbollah (we shall see) the lessons from the last couple years for Israel will be that Netanyahu approach worked. As it should be.
If the actions of the last 3 years don’t bring about peace and prosperity than the conclusion will be Netanyahu response didn’t work. We have to see how things shake out with Iran, hezbollah, and houthis. Way too early to tell right now.
It is so comically unsurprising to see the comrade’s train of thoughts as follows:
1. 2016: you won’t let me vote for Bernie? Fine. Go trump
2. 2024: you GeNociDe? Fine. Go trump
3. 2026: maybe ukraine is GeNocIdInG russia. Did you ever think of that?
4. 2026.2: **** Iran. Let’s focus on GeNocIdE in Gaza and Russia and how it’s Biden’s fault
--Given the prevalence of blatant anti-American rhetoric and support of terrorism on the left in the US, it seems almost unfair to selectively punish foreign nationals who engage in such rhetoric. Why should this person be punished for basically just parroting what passes for normal acceptable discourse in any left-leaning coastal enclave?
But thems the breaks I guess.
Hamas is a shell of itself, has lost half its territory in Gaza, and has been reduced to a gang of teenagers with assault rifles terrorizing and extorting their own people. Posing zero threat to Israel relative to its capabilities before. If something similar happens with Hezbollah (we shall see) the lessons from the last couple years for Israel will be that Netanyahu approa
So, do you really think an opposition group similar to those won't arise? As long as we keep sticking our nose where it really doesn't belong and as long as Israel does Israel I'm pretty sure there will be organized and probably violent opposition. We're just sowing the same seeds we've been sowing for decades.
I do have to admit though, Iranian IRGC supporters (especially relatives of high ranking regime officials) choosing to live in the US, while parroting the official rhetoric of the regime (US is Great Satan, Israel is little Satan, etc.) I find to be an extremely bizarre juxtaposition. And yet it seems fairly commonplace. It seems especially hypocritical when it involves IRGC supporting females here not adhering to Islamic dress code, while their male relatives are severely punishing women in their home country for doing the same.
So, do you really think an opposition group similar to those won't arise? As long as we keep sticking our nose where it really doesn't belong and as long as Israel does Israel I'm pretty sure there will be organized and probably violent opposition. We're just sowing the same seeds we've been sowing for decades.
Your insistence on viewing everything through your preferred moral lens while being willfully ignorant of basic facts and realities makes it pretty much impossible to have any coherent conversation with you.
If you accept you are going to have "violent opposition" regardless, better it is teenagers with AK-47s living in ghettoes you have complete control over the borders of than organized adult militias with active supply chains to hostile regimes providing them missiles and drones.
It is so comically unsurprising to see the comrade’s train of thoughts as follows:
4. 2026.2: **** Iran. Let’s focus on GeNocIdE in Gaza and Russia and how it’s Biden’s fault
you are complaining about gas prices in the other thread so I dont think its me with the **** Iran sentiment. I hope gas goes all the way up and Iran inflicts a ton of pain on the US and Israel.
Cool. Perhaps a majority of that pain will be felt acutely by you and those around you. Depending on the suffering of others for your entertainment is pretty messed up. You'd think the irony would bite you at some point.
I hope everyone suffers less tomorrow than they did today.
--Given the prevalence of blatant anti-American rhetoric and support of terrorism on the left in the US, it seems almost unfair to selectively punish foreign nationals who engage in such rhetoric. Why should this person be punished for basically just parroting what passes for normal acceptable discourse in any left-leaning coastal enclave?But thems the breaks I guess.
Wow that is such a deep thought bro
Thank you for this post
Cool. Perhaps a majority of that pain will be felt acutely by you and those around you. Depending on the suffering of others for your entertainment is pretty messed up. You'd think the irony would bite you at some point.
I hope everyone suffers less tomorrow than they did today.
its pretty gross to compare American suffering, which is paying more in gas and getting less treats, to Iranian and Arab suffering where there children are being blown to bits by American bombs.
Your insistence on viewing everything through your preferred moral lens while being willfully ignorant of basic facts and realities makes it pretty much impossible to have any coherent conversation with you. If you accept you are going to have "violent opposition" regardless, better it is teenagers with AK-47s living in ghettoes you have complete control over the borders of th
I'm just saying maybe we try another approach because this one hasn't worked.
its pretty gross to compare American suffering, which is paying more in gas and getting less treats, to Iranian and Arab suffering where there children are being blown to bits by American bombs.
It's pretty gross to minimize American suffering, as your "getting less treats" does actually translate into US citizens dying (either directly or indirectly). Also incredibly obtuse to think I'm not also condemning the suffering of middle eastern children. Just because you don't have the ability to focus on more than one issue at a time does not mean others lack the capability.
You're the one with the suffering fetish, I'm just calling you out for wishing pain on anyone. It's not cool to be a misanthrope; a miserable monkey banging your cymbals.
So, do you really think an opposition group similar to those won't arise? As long as we keep sticking our nose where it really doesn't belong and as long as Israel does Israel I'm pretty sure there will be organized and probably violent opposition. We're just sowing the same seeds we've been sowing for decades.
Lol do you really think that if we removed Israel and American influence from the ME it would be some sort of peaceful haven? Comedy.
It's pretty gross to minimize American suffering, as your "getting less treats" does actually translate into US citizens dying (either directly or indirectly). Also incredibly obtuse to think I'm not also condemning the suffering of middle eastern children. Just because you don't have the ability to focus on more than one issue at a time does not mean others lack the capability
Im not a misanthrope. I just dont think that Americans or Jews are better and more deserving of comfort than the Iranians or Arabs (or anyone for that matter). I think its insane that you are rooting for America to win this war and unleash untold suffering all over the region bc you want to pay less for gas. thats legit sociopathic ideals.
Im not a misanthrope. I just dont think that Americans or Jews are better and more deserving of comfort than the Iranians or Arabs (or anyone for that matter). I think its insane that you are rooting for America to win this war and unleash untold suffering all over the region bc you want to pay less for gas. thats legit sociopathic ideals.
Dude, you keep doing this. I did NOT say that. I do NOT think that.
Like, holy ****, please try going one day without putting words into someone else's mouth.
You do this constantly to everyone here and it's insanely annoying. There is no reason to engage with you honestly when you always argue from a dishonest position.
What exactly isn’t working? Iran and their Axis of Resistance have been decimated. Despite efforts from the media to generate clicks with misinformation, the war in Iran is actually going pretty well.
Well yeah. It's super easy to just say no matter what that things are great right now. Nobody, including the administration, is willing to say what "pretty well" means in 3, 4, 6 weeks. We may be completely out with the regime intact and the straight closed or in a full on ground war and either would be going pretty well.
Dude, you keep doing this. I did NOT say that. I do NOT think that.
Like, holy ****, please try going one day without putting words into someone else's mouth.
You do this constantly to everyone here and it's insanely annoying. There is no reason to engage with you honestly when you always argue from a dishonest position.
lol, I could see this coming from a mile away
Dude, you keep doing this. I did NOT say that. I do NOT think that.
Like, holy ****, please try going one day without putting words into someone else's mouth.
You do this constantly to everyone here and it's insanely annoying. There is no reason to engage with you honestly when you always argue from a dishonest position.
And yet, people continue to engage him. Why? Everyone should have him on ignore.
Dude, you keep doing this. I did NOT say that. I do NOT think that.
Like, holy ****, please try going one day without putting words into someone else's mouth.
You do this constantly to everyone here and it's insanely annoying. There is no reason to engage with you honestly when you always argue from a dishonest position.
this is you right?
Cool. Perhaps a majority of that pain will be felt acutely by you and those around you. Depending on the suffering of others for your entertainment is pretty messed up. You'd think the irony would bite you at some point.
I hope everyone suffers less tomorrow than they did today.
I treat people the way they treat me. if you want to engage honestly and respectfully then I would be happy to do so. but you have never acted that way.
It’s not really clear why Victor is allowed to post at all. There must be a mod who is sympathetic to Russia.
"Slaughter, dead babies, genocide." Upvotes to the left, plz.
The other folks are right, I'm (finally) done with you Victor. You're only happy when you drag others down to be miserable with you. I hope your life continues to suck forever.
