GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

The whole "they exaggerated heights back then" is nonsense that I never paid any mind or addressed because it's an obvious fabrication to avoid the facts that today's players are shorter at 4 of 5 positions.

A real study concluded this, and it can't be refuted just because you found someone that claimed heights were exaggerated... The reality is that heights and measurements are exaggerated TODAY - heights, weights and also stats like assists are completely erroneous and fake.. About 1/3 of Lebron's "assists" are fake and MANY videos have been done on this by numerous creators.

It's amazing you would use the "heights were exaggerated " and think it's viable or refutes the data just because you want it to... It's childish.

All these guys are legit 6'7" starting SG's in 1993 and obviously taller than MJ - Stacey Augmon, Drexler, Reggie Miller, Reggie Theus, Malik Sealy, Tony Campbell, Majerle, Reggie Lewis, Dale Ellis, Willie Anderson, Steve Smith, and I'm missing a bunch..

Otoh, the only 6'7" SG today is Klay, and he doesn't start anymore, so there are no 6'7" SG's and almost no 6'6" guys, so MJ would face a bunch of midget bbq chicken in today's game.

Carry on in your delusion, but reality will always be that you fell for a fraud

Btw, haven't followed the discussion about which era players are taller. Was just pointing out that players did lie about their height by an inch or 2 usually back in the day. Not all but some for sure. They might do that today too but i don't know.

It's an old wives tail that's said by non-ballers about every era.

Players don't control what they're listed at, so they have no power or ability to lie about it.

When my height was measured for D1 teams, I had no power to tell the guy "hey, uh, add a couple inches for me will ya?"

That's not how it works.. smh

Again, studies on this topic have been done and 4 of 5 positions are the shortest they've ever been in today's game.

And we can just look at today's game - aka there are zero starting 6'7" SG's in today's game, but there were tons of SG's listed at 6'7" that were clearly taller than MJ (Stacey Augmon, Drexler, Reggie Miller, Reggie Theus, Malik Sealy, Tony Campbell, Majerle, Reggie Lewis, Dale Ellis, Willie Anderson, Steve Smith and more).

Fidstar was simply destroyed on this issue and thinks he can make stuff up to get out of it .. Unfortunately, the reality is that MJ would face SG's and frontcourts that are midgets compared to prior eras... They call it BBQ chicken.

You didn't listen to the points he made.

Jordan had to develop single-digit rookies and win with career 2nd options, while Lebron joined superstars and won with 1st option franchise players..

It's a clear distinction.. Lebron didn't have to develop anyone or win with secondary producers - he got ready-made FMVP's and All-NBA guys, while MJ had to build bums into secondary producers.

Again, it's a clear distinction that confirms MJ is superior, vastly

^^^ No one ever shot 35% with 6 TO's in a series until Lebron in the 07' Playoffs, so Lebron DID lose and WAS bad, just like you wanted!!!

He repeated this worst-ever performance in the 08' Playoffs, while getting historically-upset in 09' and the goat meltdown in 10'.

So he was a perennial trainwreck and choker in the playoffs prior to Wade teaching him how to win.. You were simply bamboozled into thinking this was good... You fell for the okey-doke, and the worst part is that it was a bunch of buffons that defrauded you (Klutch).

^^^ there's no response for the bolded because NO ONE thought the Bulls were stacked in the 90's.. That's a myth invented 30 years after the fact by LeFraud victims

Irrefutable

Guys that destroyed Lebron like Dirk and Kidd have stories about Jordan and think he's goat

It's not a fabrication (world's weirdest fabrication btw, that has no point - sort of like people saying the world is flat).

Anyway, here's 90s 6 foot 7 Reggie Miller standing next to 2020s 6 foot 5 Haliburton

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLG3uRFsR...

We get it, when ex players say good things about MJ they are telling the truth. When they don't, they are lying/jealous.

Got it.

People didn't talk about stacked teams back then. I probably couldn't find one for the 69 win Lakers, but that doesn't mean that they were not stacked. Or 80s Boston/Lakers.

Doesn't mean that people didn't think those teams were loaded with talent.

The 80's were top-heavy with super-teams like Moses Malone's Sixers or the Celtics and Lakers... So people talked about stacked teams all the time, although they didn't use the words "stacked"... They might've said "loaded", or "top notch", or "the best cast in the league", or some other 80's term...

In the 90's, expansion spread the talent around evenly so that 1 or 2-star teams were enough to make the Finals - this parity meant that there were MANY finals-caliber teams, instead of just 2 like the 80's.. Obviously, it's harder to win with parity, so that's one of the reasons why MJ's rings were so impressive.. Unlike Magic and Bird, Jordan didn't possess 1 of the 2 super-teams in the league, aka free trips to the Finals..

The 2010's were top-heavy like the 80's due to Lebron's super-teams and a record 6 straight preseason favorites... His super-teams were joined by the Warriors once KD went there.

what undertitle would u like now?

Unfortunately you provided no evidence.

The truth is out there.

Evidence of what?

You're the one that says the 90's Bulls were stacked, yet no one in the 90's said that and the consensus was the opposite - the Bulls were a 1-man team that won via defense, chemistry and MJ - everyone said this, while virtually no one said they were loaded.

In the 90's, everyone said the Bulls were a 1-man team, such as Magic and Isiah during the 93' Finals:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2...

^^^ This was the consensus during the 90's - that's the truth.

Here's the truth - the 97' Bulls are the only team in NBA history to win with only 2 guys in double figures - and Jordan led all 5 categories WHILE carrying the scoring load (edit: 0.5 RPG behind Rodman):






Stacked doh... smh

You guys simply fell for a fraud and therefore bought the Kool aid that the Bulls were "stacked".. There's never been a bigger lie, or a more obvious one.

Again, the obvious reality to everyone in the 90's was that the Bulls were a 1-man team that won via defense, chemistry and MJ.

I said no one talked like that back then.

I said that no one said that about the Lakers or Celtics.

You said they did.

Anyway, the 1996 Bulls had 2 All NBA first team players (Rodman missed out on the 3rd team by 1 - Finishing 16th in the voting), 3 All NBA Defensive first team players (not sure if that's ever been done before), 6th man of the year and coach of the year.

Not sure what your expectations are for a loaded team, but that's a loaded team.

Fun fact, Pippen led all voting for the All-NBA defensive team.

Pippen was second in voting for the All-NBA 1st team. Second to MJ.

But definitely not a loaded team.

Fun fact, it the 65 game rule had of been around back then, Rodman makes the all NBA team.

Sorry, forgot to mention DPOTY. Pippen 2nd, MJ 6th, Rodman 7th.

Universally accepted at that point Pippen was a better defender than MJ. Pippen beat MJ in 1997 as well.

And then, don't forget when you said MJ was cruising in the ECF and Finals, and the Bulls still easily won. Against 2 teams that won over 60 games.

But not stacked.