GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Sorry, I remembered incorrectly.

MJ only missed his 5 shots before the 2 makes in Game 6.

0/5 shooting between the 6 minute and 1 minute mark of the last quarter.

None of those guys are modern guys who crushed all the records for all time stuff in regular and post season. None of those guys belong in this discussion at all.

The closest thing might be Ovechkin getting the title of 'best goal scorer ever' in hockey. Nobody thinks he's the GOAT overall but the goal scoring answer he's made his case. Now if he plays 4 more years at a high level, puts some serious distance on that record, and if he had the playoff record crushed too, his case would start to match up. He'd also need 4 rings and to have been the obvious best player in the league for a 10 year+ stretch of his career, which he wasn't.

People will look at the all time leader list in points for the regular season and post season, see that the same guy is top 3 in assists, won 4 rings and has many other accolades and achievements. Once the nostalgia of the 90's has worn off, people will consider the Jordan lock GOAT case to be on par with the Russell, Kareem, or Chamberlain case. It's getting pretty dated now. It's fading away and you can observe this easily.

LeBron has more playoff wins than most teams have in their history. He's got records now like when Babe Ruth was outhomering entire teams.

The 90's was such an iconic time in the world. It's easy for those of us who experienced it to be nostalgic for it.

Btw, you do realize Jordan was playing the Jazz, they were pretty good, when i say good i mean kinda great. Lebron's playing the Rockets with no point guard, and no shooters becasue Durant mostly not playing. But Durant alone, when he does play, can't make up for the Rockets poor shooting.

When Jordan plays bad you guys say he was rusty from baseball or tired from gambling, or that he was relaxing.

He tried playing at 38 and 39. We all saw how mediocre that was.

Was Jordan 41? No, he was in his age 34 season, and being a professional athlete had already become too much for him.

LeBron won a championship and finals MVP at age 35, so let's make sure we're comparing the right things.

Just becasue you play longer doesn't mean you play better.

Let's just pick the GOAT then based on whoever had the greatest single game in history then. Who cares about longevity, 1 game of being the GOAT is enough.

So which game is it then? Wilt's 100 points? David Robinson's quadruple double?

Or maybe we go by best NBA finals? Lebron led both teams in every stat and beat the 73 win Warriors. Ok so Lebrons the GOAT. The rest of your arguments will just be longevity nonsense. So let's end it here. That finals made Lebron the GOAT.

Nobody ever thought Robert Parish was the GOAT. Stop being purposely dumb.

Btw, 5 for 18 for Jordan? Maybe you waiting for me to challenge this and maybe it happened somehow, sometime. But there aren't many 5 for 18 in Jordan's career. If he did musta started real cold, then his team blew out the other team and he din't go back in the game or something. Did that really happen? Or you just making a what if?

Jordan didn't become the goat because of one single game. He became the goat because he was..... the perrenial scoring leader, 6 time champion, zero losses, 5 time mvp(when mvp every season really). And everyone who played vs him has stories about how he own'd them, and they were scared of him. Where's the lebron stories? Nobody seems scared of him.

Not looking to be negatvie with you. Can we just debate in a friendly way? Why have to be angry? I'm not posting angry, and never do. Sorry we disagree, but let's do it respectfully? Genuinely i post with no ill will to you, or anyone. I almost didn't make my post today because i knew someone was gonna get mad. I bit my tongue for a few days, then said i gotta keep it real. Sarcasm is totally cool, but when you name call seems negative. Peace, love, and harmony!

He's only playing good?

gtfo

Jokic playng against a great defensive player in Gobert. Still manages 14.5 rebounds? That being said Jokic not playing his normal great self. Prolly Gobert has alot to do with that. I bet he's never completely recovered from his injury. Maybe he has, but i see alot of games he doesn't look like old Jokic.

This while Lebron playing against the bad news bears. Great? I pointed out the turnovers. I pointed out not going back on defense. I pointed out o for 2 in free throws in game 1. Stats don't tell the whole story. But overall he's playing good. But against a team that's lost with no leader? Let me know how he does against okc, then we'll talk. He may play great, and i'll give him his props if he does. But round 1 against a lost team?

Also that's a big sample size, 3 games against a bad team. Lebron's locked it up for goat! He's better than Jokic and Jordan! Ok.

Let's say you were a gm just starting out. So you know you gotta win to have a successful and lucrative life. And you knew the future of both players. You picking Jordan or Lebron?

Houston's a bad team now?

Lakers are missing their best two players.

They started -550 in the series. Most people had them winning in 5 (including me).

And, of course the Lakers will be killed against OKC (should they make it).

I'm not sure what miracles you are expecting against one of the best teams ever.

This houston team is not good. They will make big changes i would assume. Yes, they were big favorite's. Not because people thought they were that good. They don't have a point guard. Just over-estimated the loss of Reeves and Luka. Lakers have been better than the Rockets for awhile now. And nobody realized Marcus Smart and Kenard would play better than Lebron. Everyone on the Lakers playing well. Props to them. Maybe Rockets playing badly has something to do with it also. Also rockets playing 99 percent of the series without Durant. Which is another reason why they were considered big favorites.

Houston's struggles been reported all season. They were supposed to be a good team. It didn't work out. I think they are the worst team in the playoffs. Whose worse?

I'm not expecting it. What i said was if Lebron plays great vs okc then we will talk about him playing great this playoffs. I think Luka and Reeves coming back to play okc. So don't act like they don't have anybody. Still not as good as okc though. Though let's not forget okc 2nd best player not playing. So don't act like they don't have a chance. I know your setting it up so if they pull it off means Lebron is now the goat lol.

Dude's 41. You shouldn't have any expectations he'll play great against an all time team.

Here's how 41 year olds go in the playoffs.

Look at the graphic above and somehow LeBron is only playing "good".

I'm ok if you want to award Lebron a senior citizens award. I'm not ok saying he's the goat becasue he's playing well at 41.

So Lebron can only add, but not subtract? If he plays bad at 41 it's becasue he's old and that doesn't count. But if he plays good we'll say it's great, and add to his resume/legacy. Must be nice where it doesn't matter how you play. At least if you play bad. Why do we have to make all the rules change for Lebron? Should we make a new rule other team only plays 4 becasue he's 41? I mean he's old why should he have to play against 5? Sometimes he doesn't like playing defense. Give him a break already.

I mean if that's the case then him playing now should be irrelevant to his goat resume right? This is all gravy but doesn't count towards anything, especially his goat argument because we can't count his bad play right? Because it wouldn't be fair to Jordan if you can't count Lebron's failures, and only his successes. Let's say Lebron gets 3 more titles. Should be irrelevant if we can't count if he fails right?

Zero losses? Jordan lost plenty of times. For some reason there's always some excuse for why his losses or misses don't count.

Just be real. Jordan had a solid dominant peak, broken up by early retirements and non play. His peak 7-10 years is a good case for being GOAT. But pretending he had a flawless career where he never lost a game or missed a shot or had s embarrassing turnovers is what you constantly resort to. It hurts his case. He won 6 titles during a 20 year stretch of intermittent NBA play. Not 6/6 in any way.

If you're going to get the entire career of either, this is a no brainer. LeBron wins by miles. I want a guy committed to the game year after year for 23 years. Not a guy that constantly retires and ends up playing half as many games.

I never said he didn't lose a game, or miss a shot. I said he never lost a finals championship. Embarassing turnovers? They would be a very minimum. Dude was cool as ice and the most clutch player in nba history. Everyone feared him for a reason. Becasue they knew he was the goat and unstoppable. Their strategy was don't make him mad. Cause if you do it's only gonna get worse.

To try and minimize Jordan's career and ability hurts your case. Because everyone knows he wasn't a choker, and played bad in big games, and all this stuff some of you are saying. Nobody believes that. Your argument needs to be how Lebron did more than that, but he didin't do more than that. And not close when he had all the advantages to do so. He's had a great career, but yes, with the help of the best players. But Jordan's another story man. I watched him play and he was unstoppable. I said this before. When the game was on the line there was zero question where the ball was going. Jordan, he's playing great defenses of the great east back in the day. But they couldn't stop one man. Same thing everytime. Get too close to him, he's gonna dunk on you, or get an and 1. Not get close enough, he's gonna fly high for the pull up jumper. That's it, game over. When has Lebron been that good? Seriously? Nobody's been that good.

And as good a career Lebron's had there's been alot of failure, even playing with the best players. For fairness to both we should not count when they started their career as far as winning championships. Even though Lebron's team was better than Jordan's. And Jordan had to play the bad boys, the celtics, and lot's more great teams in the east. But to give Lebron a break i won't judge his championship career until he gets to Miami. He went 4 and 6 from that point forward playing with the best of the best. Jordan goes 6 for 6 with one good player for his 1st 3 peat, than another 3 peat with help from Kucok and Rodman. That was nice Jordan got little more help, but let's be real, it didn't matter. The results are in Jordan is a closer, and a winner. Lebron is a very good all around player, but not a closer, or winner. Especially compared to Jordan who was the best at it.

You explain his retiring as a negative. But really it should be seen as a huge positive for his argument for goat. Who retires then comes back to 3 peat again? To once be the goat, retire, comeback mid-season and lose one series to a good orlando team, the goat again and 3 peat? Who? The goat Michael Jordan.

What Lebron is doing now is simply adding to the argument not creating it in the first place.

Why people are comparing this to Jordan's peak just entirely beggars belief.