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Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

01 June 2019 at 06:29 AM
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by chezlaw

The blaming of starmer and the pressure on support for Palestinians inevitable. Not justified but inevitable. Just as the rise in antisemitism was inevitable following what netanyahu has done to any form of sane politics.

What's your point here? that antisemitism is whatever because Netanyahu?


No

The point is you can't contain hatred, murder and destruction to only coming from one side. It's a vicious cycle and everybody loses.

Netanyahu is a huge gift to the antisemitic extremists. The only solution is good politics and it's going to be really tough to even start to get out of the hole he has dug.


by Elrazor

Lol yeah, just total coincidence this madman stumbled across some Jews.

The UK raising the terror alert threat to "severe" is a much better indicator of this being terrorism than your typical handwaving of antisemitism.

His first attack of the day was in south east London, after which he made his way up to NW London. There are no established links so far to any known terrorist organisation but there are obviously severe mental health issues that the authorities are doing their best to paint as part of a wider and real threat to Jewish people.

The terror level being raised to “severe” on the back of this is a way of appeasing starmers handlers. How can you be so useless at understanding what’s going on around you? Maybe take some tranquillisers so you’re not always up at 3am on this site because the perpetual lack of sleep must be affecting you by now.

As usual, you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re the British mongidig/Elway, a frightened little incel with his prejudices triggered.


The ongoing behind closed doors court case that mainstream news outlets are ignoring, involving the young Ukrainian male models accused of trying to burn down starmers house tells us quite a lot about spheres of influence.


by Elway

How many years back are you going with these examples?

I’m not saying there have never been far right terrorists. Recently it’s been more left wing terror in the Americas. Much of this has come after Democratic politicians called for violence.

You're now moving the goalposts but here y'go, two quite recent examples.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4145...

Again terrorism comes from several demographics. There's absolutely Islamic terrorism but it isn't the be all and end all, regarding terrorism that you're desperately trying to peddle and again your trolling is abysmal.

And you're full of crap, right wing terrorism has been responsible for between 75-80% of terrorism in the US since 2001
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing...

Cumulatively over five decades, right-wing perpetrators in the US killed substantially more people than left-wing or Islamist-inspired perpetrators (excluding data from the Sept. 11 attacks).[76] In almost all individual years since 1990, right-wing ideologically motivated homicides in the US have substantially outnumbered those perpetrated by left-wing actors.[77]

From 2022 through 2024, all 61 political killings were committed by right-wing extremists

https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/...

https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-...


Poor Ishmail nHussein, the first person who Essa Suleiman attacked with a knife on Wednesday. No ones talking about him. I wonder why that is.

He’s charged with three counts of attempted murder, but

BREAKING: Essa Suleiman, 45, has been remanded in custody having been charged with two counts of attempted murder over the Golders Green stabbings.

Sky News


Andy Burnham has plan to return to Westminster ‘within weeks’, allies say

Exclusive: Greater Manchester mayor said to have identified seats where MPs would step aside to allow leadership bid

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202...


by chezlaw

No

The point is you can't contain hatred, murder and destruction to only coming from one side. It's a vicious cycle and everybody loses.

Netanyahu is a huge gift to the antisemitic extremists. The only solution is good politics and it's going to be really tough to even start to get out of the hole he has dug.

Netanyahu is responsible for his own actions, not for those of antisemites in Britain. The hate-marches need to be shut down just as Mosley's were. Political uniforms were banned under the Public Order Act 1936, which undercut a lot of Mosley's support. Similarly, the use of terrorist flags and slogans (like 'Globalise the intifada') needs to be not only arrestable, as is already the case, but effectively seen to be so. And just as Mosley's marches were directed away from Jewish areas, the current hate-marchers need barring from anywhere near Westminster. Basically you have to take away the Fascists' toys so they lose interest.


I remember Burnham as a centrist washout when he ran for the leadership, but surely he can't be any worse than Starmer?

Famous last words probably, but at least he isn't Liz Kendall.


by 57 On Red

Netanyahu is responsible for his own actions, not for those of antisemites in Britain. The hate-marches need to be shut down just as Mosley's were. Political uniforms were banned under the Public Order Act 1936, which undercut a lot of Mosley's support. Similarly, the use of terrorist flags and slogans (like 'Globalise the intifada') needs to be not only arrestable, as is alrea

"Fascist hate marchers"


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by jalfrezi

His first attack of the day was in south east London, after which he made his way up to NW London. There are no established links so far to any known terrorist organisation but there are obviously severe mental health issues that the authorities are doing their best to paint as part of a wider and real threat to Jewish people. The terror level being raised to “severe” on the ba

Just because he knifed a non-Jew earlier that day, doesn't mean his attacks on Jews were not driven by Anti-Semitism.

Using this sub-70 IQ Jalnazi logic, Hitler wasn't anti-sematic - he also murdered non-Jews!


by jalfrezi

"Fascist hate marchers" ] etc

A few examples of someone with dementia doing crazy things.


by Elrazor

Just because he knifed a non-Jew earlier that day, doesn't mean his attacks on Jews were not driven by Anti-Semitism.

Using this sub-70 IQ Jalnazi logic, Hitler wasn't anti-sematic - he also murdered non-Jews!

It’s a combination of low IQ and extreme hate for this guy.


by Elrazor

Just because he knifed a non-Jew earlier that day, doesn't mean his attacks on Jews were not driven by Anti-Semitism.

Using this sub-70 IQ Jalnazi logic, Hitler wasn't anti-sematic - he also murdered non-Jews!

God you're so stupid. The government have effectively declared this an antisemitic event without any investigation and are threatening to use this event to further clamp down on civil liberty. That should alarm anyone who cherishes hard won freedoms, but not feeble little bed wetting fascists like you and mongidig/Elway of course.

He has attacked people before, which presumably is why he was in a mental health institution. It's possible he harbours feelings of hatred of Jews, and it's possible he doesn't and was stabbing random people in a Jewish area, which is why things called investigations exist, stupid.


After doing a little investigation it turns out that Suleiman previously attacked two police officers and a dog (none of this will probably diminish the feelings that the Jewish community here must be experiencing now, and it's a bad time for them).

The international incel bed wetters society (founder members Elwaypist and Elracist) must be disappointed.


No one has "declared" anything. However, let's look at the facts:

  • A man originally from a Muslim country
  • Previously been referred to Prevent
  • Stabs people in a seemingly random attack
  • These people happen to be Jews (~0.5% of the UK population),

Then in the absence of any other motive, it's not unreasonable to be suspicious it was driven by anti-Semitism.


by chezlaw

Netanyahu is a huge gift to the antisemitic extremists.

Why?


Really? Here's a starter for ten from those you may listen to more than me

Trump and Netanyahu’s wars in the Middle East have elevated threat to British Jews, MI5 warns

Met Police chief Mark Rowley says he is ‘very concerned’ about the force’s ability to increase policing in Jewish communities

MI5 warned that “we are also seeing a sustained and significant tempo of state-linked threats, including to Jewish and Israeli individuals and institutions”. It said the decision to raise the threat level had been taken after the stabbings in north London, but it was not solely as a result of the incident. One of the motivations for raising the terror threat level is to try to dissuade potential copycat attacks, it is understood.

One intelligence official told The Independent it would “be a mistake” to draw direct links between the alleged Golders Green attacker, who is known to have mental health issues, and organised terrorism against all Jews.

“But there are concerns across Europe that Israelis and Israeli institutions may be targeted by people who have been radicalised by what they consume on social media from Gaza and now Iran,” they said.

“Angry people are easily influenced and driven to violence against other groups – sadly, Jewish people now get associated with what Israel is accused of doing. That is antisemitism in a pure form,” they added.

Two intelligence sources in the Middle East said there is a “febrile atmosphere” due to world events, which was likely to be exploited by states seeking proxies to carry out destabilising operations of the kind already seen by Russia across Europe.

“Just as it has been with Isis-inspired groups, it is the self-starting lone wolf who is hardest to track and easiest to influence,” said a Middle Eastern intelligence official.


It's Elways good to see Elracists forming a flock to support an ethnicity they don't like very much purely as a useful weapon in their campaign of deeper hatred against another ethnic group.


by jalfrezi

It's Elways good to see Elracists forming a flock to support an ethnicity they don't like very much purely as a useful weapon in their campaign of deeper hatred against another ethnic group.

I call things as I see them. I have nothing against any ethnicity in general. I do see certain ethnicity’s acting more civil than others. I do see certain ethnicity’s getting along better with their neighbors. I see certain ethnicity’s who are more prone to blowing things up or blowing themselves up.

The moderates of all ethnicity’s are usually good people. The extremists of all ethnicity’s are usually religious fanatics. We should agree that extremism is a problem.

The only thing I hate is people who only see one side of a story but act like they are being objective.


Not a good day for the reactionary everything I don't like is antisemitic crowd.


None of this explains why he's "a gift"?


by jalfrezi

Not a good day for the reactionary everything I don't like is antisemitic crowd.

I know your smooth brain struggles to hold on to more than one idea at once, but it is possible for someone to be antisemitic AND have mental health issues.

In fact, when someone decided to fly a pane into a skyscraper, or blow up kids at a concert, or stab an MP to death, it would be more surprising to learn they didn't have any mental health issues.


by Elrazor

None of this explains why he's "a gift"?

A gift to antisemitic extremists?

You think they don't want more recruits and people willing to commit extreme antisemitic acts?


Explain it to him like he’s five years old, because he may as well be.

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