USA Goes to War Against Iran
USA Goes to War Against Iran
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USA Goes to War Against Iran

Time for a dedicated thread to the war.

How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?

02 March 2026 at 06:37 PM
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by Trolly McTrollson m

Is that what you think I said

It wasn't completely clear to me what you meant. That's why I asked you for clarification.


by amplify m

Abortion. Mystery solved.

Agreed.


by DoyleBrunsonFan m

Trump is barely a Christian let alone an evangelical. It’s still somewhat of a mystery why so many hardcore Christians drank the MAGA kool-aid.

Hardcore white christians. And these are the cultural descendants of the last slave owners, the last segregationists, the people who fought against civil rights and now think it went too far etc. Why Trump appeals to them is pretty obvious. What's sort of funny is even though half the country sympathizes with the culture, they can't really find anybody better than Trump, so it's been a highly predictable disaster for them.


by amplify m

Abortion. Mystery solved.

Exactly this

Trump got roe v Wade overturned. Everything else that comes with him is just the cost of doing business


by DoyleBrunsonFan m

Trump is barely a Christian let alone an evangelical. It’s still somewhat of a mystery why so many hardcore Christians drank the MAGA kool-aid. Probably because he was seen as a counter to progressive politics and not much beyond that.

Regardless, the Iranian regime is 1000 times more deranged than American evangelical Christians and it’s not even close.

I don't have any particular reason to believe that Trump is a Christian at all, although he obviously professes to be. I doubt that Trump believes that he serves, or should humble himself before, an omnipotent deity.

I suspect that Trump believes that his own personal magnificence is the best evidence he has ever seen in favor of the existence of God.


heard an evangelical christian say that they didn't believe trump was a godly man but they did believe he was doing god's work

trump's beliefs has little to do with anything.


I disagree with all of you. Donald Trump is a devoutly religious man. He is known to pray during his downtime. Many have said he kneels 6 times a day to show that his devotion to God is even stronger than the Muslims'. And he definitely did not say "can you believe all these morons believe this bullshit?!?" to a confidant after leaving one of those meetings where they all place their hands on him and pray that God shows him how to properly massacre Arabs.


Iranians aren't Arabs.


I know that. They're Persians. I guess it's a good thing then that he's launching and/or supporting wars on places other than Iran as well! No surprise that a gross reactionary freak like you has forgotten Palestine.

Donald Trump, classic friends of Arabs. GOTCHA!

oh, btw, most of those prayer meetings to which I refer LITERALLY HAPPENED BEFORE OUR FIRST LAUNCH ON IRAN.


I forget which one you are. Are you that Irish Uncle Tom weirdo?


by StoppedRainingMen m

Exactly this

Trump got roe v Wade overturned. Everything else that comes with him is just the cost of doing business

The Democrats had over 50 years, and six Presidential terms, to put Roe into statute, and they deliberately didn't bother. The last Democrat president was a backward doctrinaire Catholic virulently opposed to Roe.


by chezlaw m

heard an evangelical christian say that they didn't believe trump was a godly man but they did believe he was doing god's work

trump's beliefs has little to do with anything.

"Doing god's work" means being as bigoted as they are.


by 57 On Red m

The Democrats had over 50 years, and six Presidential terms, to put Roe into statute, and they deliberately didn't bother. The last Democrat president was a backward doctrinaire Catholic virulently opposed to Roe.

Even a blind transphobic Nazi Tory squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

This is true. The Dems had countless opportunities to codify Roe and didn't. Biden was politically aware enough to shift his stance on the matter to that nonsensical middle ground of "abortion should be legal but rarely used and not on demand".

Religion is the greatest evil conceived by humanity example #732,169


by jalfrezi m

"Doing god's work" means being as bigoted as they are.

whatever it means it's probably a sizable mistake to think trumps personal beliefs are what matters to them.


It isn’t about his personal beliefs, but his ability to act on them as president.


by EmptyTheCities2 m

Even a blind transphobic Nazi Tory squirrel occasionally finds a nut.This is true. The Dems had countless opportunities to codify Roe and didn't. Biden was politically aware enough to shift his stance on the matter to that nonsensical middle ground of "abortion should be legal but rarely used and not on demand".Religion is the greatest evil conceived by humanity example #732,

It’s evil to think abortion should be legal but rarely used and not on demand?


by EmptyTheCities2 m

Even a blind transphobic Nazi Tory squirrel occasionally finds a nut.This is true. The Dems had countless opportunities to codify Roe and didn't. Biden was politically aware enough to shift his stance on the matter to that nonsensical middle ground of "abortion should be legal but rarely used and not on demand".

"Evil" is itself a religious concept. "Evil" is nothing more than an emotive reaction in a naturalistic worldview. Until the so-called Naturalistic Fallacy is resolved, there will be no epistemic foundation for moral claims within Naturalism other than some variant of Emotivism (aka The Boo-Hooray Theory.)

n.b. Virtually all well-known Philosophical Naturalists themselves agree with my assessment (e.g. Hume, Russell, Ayer, Carnap, etc...)*

* Sam Harris is a notable exception.


I don't think the fundamental lack of epistemic foundation invalidates the common meanings of English words.


by amplify m

I don't think the fundamental lack of epistemic foundation invalidates the common meanings of English words.

Everything falls apart when you look at it too close.

The fact that all words mean something doesn't entail that the word refers to something that actually exists.

Atheists (by definition) don't believe in God, but they don't deny that the word has a meaning.

Calling something 'evil' doesn't in and of itself entail the existence of an actual thing outside your own mental states.


Wasn't Jordan Peterson saying the opposite recently?

I think he was telling Richard Dawkins that having the concept of a dragon makes it a real thing.

I could be wrong, I am not up on the latest in dipshit epistemology.


thread dead American attention spam limit reached. they can do what they want now victory baby


by EmptyTheCities2 m

I forget which one you are. Are you that Irish Uncle Tom weirdo?

Which banned poster are you?


by geezerchess m

"Evil" is itself a religious concept. "Evil" is nothing more than an emotive reaction in a naturalistic worldview. Until the so-called Naturalistic Fallacy is resolved, there will be no epistemic foundation for moral claims within Naturalism other than some variant of Emotivism (aka The Boo-Hooray Theory.)n.b. Virtually all well-known Philosophical Naturalists themselves agree

That’s dubious. Emotivism holds that moral statements are non-propositional (noncognitivism) which runs into the Frege-Geach problem. Many naturalists are still cognitivists, such as subjectivism. It’s not clear that Hume himself was an expressivist either, as while he understood morality as sentiment, it’s closer to the concept of β€œattitudes” or β€œpreferences” than β€œfeelings”. Some want to claim him as an expressivist, and he’s certainly important to expressivist thought, but he’s also important to moral subjectivists as well.

Hume famously closes the section of the Treatise that argues against moral rationalism by observing that other systems of moral philosophy, proceeding in the ordinary way of reasoning, at some point make an unremarked transition from premises whose parts are linked only by β€œis” to conclusions whose parts are linked by β€œought” (expressing a new relation) β€” a deduction that seems to Hume β€œaltogether inconceivable” (T3.1.1.27). Attention to this transition would β€œsubvert all the vulgar systems of morality, and let us see, that the distinction of vice and virtue is not founded merely on the relations of objects, nor is perceiv’d by reason” (ibid.).

Few passages in Hume’s work have generated more interpretive controversy.

According to the dominant twentieth-century interpretation, Hume says here that no ought-judgment may be correctly inferred from a set of premises expressed only in terms of β€˜is,’ and the vulgar systems of morality commit this logical fallacy. This is usually thought to mean something much more general: that no ethical or indeed evaluative conclusion whatsoever may be validly inferred from any set of purely factual premises. A number of present-day philosophers, including R. M. Hare, endorse this putative thesis of logic, calling it β€œHume’s Law.” (As Francis Snare observes, on this reading Hume must simply assume that no purely factual propositions are themselves evaluative, as he does not argue for this.) Some interpreters think Hume commits himself here to a non-propositional or noncognitivist view of moral judgment β€” the view that moral judgments do not state facts and are not truth-evaluable. (If Hume has already used the famous argument about the motivational influence of morals to establish noncognitivism, then the is/ought paragraph may merely draw out a trivial consequence of it. If moral evaluations are merely expressions of feeling without propositional content, then of course they cannot be inferred from any propositional premises.) Some see the paragraph as denying ethical realism, excluding values from the domain of facts.

Other interpreters β€” the more cognitivist ones β€” see the paragraph about β€˜is’ and β€˜ought’ as doing none of the above. Some read it as simply providing further support for Hume’s extensive argument that moral properties are not discernible by demonstrative reason, leaving open whether ethical evaluations may be conclusions of cogent probable arguments. Others interpret it as making a point about the original discovery of virtue and vice, which must involve the use of sentiment. On this view, one cannot make the initial discovery of moral properties by inference from nonmoral premises using reason alone; rather, one requires some input from sentiment. It is not simply by reasoning from the abstract and causal relations one has discovered that one comes to have the ideas of virtue and vice; one must respond to such information with feelings of approval and disapproval. Note that on this reading it is compatible with the is/ought paragraph that once a person has the moral concepts as the result of prior experience of the moral sentiments, he or she may reach some particular moral conclusions by inference from causal, factual premises (stated in terms of β€˜is’) about the effects of character traits on the sentiments of observers. They point out that Hume himself makes such inferences frequently in his writings.

6. The Nature of Moral Judgment
On Hume’s view, what is a moral evaluation? Four main interpretations have significant textual support. First, as we have seen, the nonpropositional view says that for Hume a moral evaluation does not express any proposition or state any fact; either it gives vent to a feeling, or it is itself a feeling (Flew, Blackburn, Snare, Bricke). (A more refined form of this interpretation allows that moral evaluations have some propositional content, but claims that for Hume their essential feature, as evaluations, is non-propositional.) The subjective description view, by contrast, says that for Hume moral evaluations describe the feelings of the spectator, or the feelings a spectator would have were she to contemplate the trait or action from the common point of view. Often grouped with the latter view is the third, dispositional interpretation, which understands moral evaluations as factual judgments to the effect that the evaluated trait or action is so constituted as to cause feelings of approval or disapproval in a (suitably characterized) spectator (Mackie, in one of his proposals). On the dispositional view, in saying some trait is good we attribute to the trait the dispositional property of being such as to elicit approval. A fourth interpretation distinguishes two psychological states that might be called a moral evaluation: an occurrent feeling of approval or disapproval (which is not truth-apt), and a moral belief or judgment that is propositional. Versions of this fourth interpretation differ in what they take to be the content of that latter mental state. One version says that the moral judgments, as distinct from the moral feelings, are factual judgments about the moral sentiments (Capaldi). A distinct version, the moral sensing view, treats the moral beliefs as ideas copied from the impressions of approval or disapproval that represent a trait of character or an action as having whatever quality it is that one experiences in feeling the moral sentiment (Cohon). This last view emphasizes Hume’s claim that moral good and evil are like heat, cold, and colors as understood in β€œmodern philosophy,” which are experienced directly by sensation, but about which we form beliefs.


by geezerchess m

The fact that all words mean something doesn't entail that the word refers to something that actually exists.

Atheists (by definition) don't believe in God, but they don't deny that the word has a meaning.

Calling something 'evil' doesn't in and of itself entail the existence of an actual thing outside your own mental states.

Your own mental states are a thing.

Still I think that evil is a loaded term, yes. I prefer the contrast of β€œmorally bad” since it better captures a dialectic against what the term β€œmorally good” is trying to achieve. Something can be barely morally good and barely morally bad without being saintly or evil.


by amplify m

Abortion. Mystery solved.

Abortion, racism and "own the libs".

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