GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
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^^^^ those are the number of games that Lebron played each year in LA, which means that all the things the media accuses Luka and AD of (constantly hurt and out of shape/zero defense) applies to Lebron.
He's the sit-out king that plays zero defense... A selfish player that enlists the media to project his own deficiencies (availability, defense) onto teammates (Luka, Reaves, AD).. He's the worst teammate ever that will stab you in the back AND abandon you.
If MJ had beaten the Magic in 95, but lost to the Rockets in the Finals. If MJ had of beaten Detroit two of those years, but lost to the Lakers in the Finals.
Obviously it would have meant MJ had a much worse career.
If Jordan had made the Finals in those years, he would've had a much better team and won those Finals.
If you make the Finals, it means you have a good team and should win... Even the 07' Cavs would've won if Lebron simply played better... 30 on 45% easily wins the 07' Finals, since every game was razor-close despite Lebron playing worse than anyone ever has.
Yes, 4-19 is not as good as 6-9.
6-0 is just silly though because it glorified failure before the finals as being better than reaching the finals and losing.
For their careers, both Jordan and Lebron have great records in the 1st Round, 2nd Round and conference finals.
It's only the Finals where Lebron can't compete, aka lottery record, goat individual choke, goat team loss, 0-7 on last possession, aka Lebron can't compete on the championship level.
Being a loser on the championship level literally proves you AREN'T the goat.
There's no better proof of not being the goat than being a massive loser on the championship level.
I can't think of better proof because there is none.
And again, the fact that Lebron needs to stack the deck just to make the Finals also makes this case that he stinks.. Any bum can put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team and win the conference... It's just so dumb to think that this deserves respect..
Imagine Jokic, SGA and KAT teaming up, and then no one caring how they did in the Finals... Everyone is like "wow, they won the conference again... that's GOAT".. That would be the dumbest **** ever, yet that's how you guys treat Lebron... Merely making the Finals with a manufactured cast = championship.. Everyone has literally lowered the bar for Lebron..
A lot of misperceptions itt
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^^^^ those are the number of games that Lebron played each year in LA, which means that all the things the media accuses Luka and AD of (being hurt constantly and out of shape/zero defense) applies to Lebron.
He's the sit-out king that plays zero defense... A selfish player that enlists the media to project his own deficiencies (availability, defense) onto teammates (Luka, Reaves, AD).. He's the worst teammate ever that will stab you in the back AND abandon you.
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The very thing that Lebron fans praise (making the Finals) is something he couldn't do.... He needed the "decision", thus proving that the 07' run was a fluke.. The "decision" proved that he can't actually do what Lebron fans praise (making the Finals) unless he puts the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team..
So he's a total fraud that many people fell for.. Fortunately for me, I didn't denigrate the game I love by falling for it... Whew.
It's easy to forget that losing the Finals means that the player wouldn't make the Finals from the other conference.. Since Finals appearances are conference-dependant in this way, only winning them matters to prove the player won the whole league instead of just a rigged conference.
Ultimately, the biggest loser, choker and underachiever of rosters has been purported as the best ever.. Many people fell for it, so Lebron will go down as the goat sports fraud..
5567455655717060^^^^ those are the number of games that Lebron played each year in LA, which means that all the things the media accuses Luka and AD of (being hurt constantly and out of shape/zero defense) applies to Lebron.He's the sit-out king that plays zero defense... A selfish player that enlists the media to project his own deficiencies (availability, defense) onto teamma
Two are the Covid shortened years, all are past MJ's 2nd retirement career point
He only played 62 in 11/12 too, add that in.
He's missed 0 playoff games in 19 seasons 300 games.
Also compare his game availability his first 15 seasons to Jordan's 15 seasons ...
Two are the Covid shortened years, all are past MJ's 2nd retirement career point
He only played 62 in 11/12 too, add that in.
He's missed 0 playoff games in 19 seasons 300 games.
Also compare his game availability his first 15 seasons to Jordan's 15 seasons ...
The worst thing about Lebron is that he FAKED a sciatica injury and sat out the first 20 games, essentially destroying the Lakers season - Luka and Reaves were forced to carry a big a load early on, so they picked up injuries later .. Then Lebron's low hoops IQ was a massive negative fit for most of the year too - he finally became a positive player by being minimized to 3rd option... If Lebron was minimized from the beginning AND played 82 games, the Lakers would be a top seed... Unfortunately, Lebron is a selfish player that enlists media to crap on teammates and ultimately abandons the team himself.
Lebron first 15 seasons after entering the NBA - 1142 regular season games started.
Michael Jordan first 15 seasons after entering the NBA - 919 regular season games started.
What a load-managing loser.
He's missed 0 playoff games in 19 seasons 300 games.
Also compare his game availability his first 15 seasons to Jordan's 15 seasons
At least Jordan could make the Finals legitimately, while Lebron's "decision" proved that the 07' run was a fluke.
The "decision" occurred specifically because lebron COULDN'T make the Finals normally, even with homecourt advantage and league favorite status to begin the 09' and 10' playoffs.
Ultimately, the "decision" proved Lebron actually can't do what his fans praise (making the Finals) unless he puts the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team.. So there's never been a clearer case of fraud - i.e. a player guarantees himself Finals trips and then gets fans/media to pretend that's all that matters (who cares what happens in the championship).
Lebron first 15 seasons after entering the NBA - 1142 regular season games started.
Michael Jordan first 15 seasons after entering the NBA - 919 regular season games started.
What a load-managing loser.
Imagine if 40-year Jordan sat out all the games against Duncan, Kobe, TMac, and KG... This would inflate his 20 ppg to something higher, similar to 40-year Lebron, who inflated his stats by mostly sitting out against SGA, Giannis, Wemby and Jokic.
In addition to playing 82 games, Jordan's stats were deflated by the era's rules and style, aka Jordan would've averaged more if he had teammates shooting 30 threes to space the floor like today's game.
When you consider this stat inflation and then consider that Jordan was also still a good defender that didn't crater his team's defense when he's on the floor like Lebron - it's clear that 40-year MJ > Lebron... Of course, 40-year MJ was still hitting game-winners and great in the clutch
It definitely would have made Brady's career as the goat much more questionable. People would have started talking more about how Brady got to play in the soft afc east all those years, so winning the division was a forgone conclusion. And because they got to play more games against the soft afc east teams alllowed them a better chance to have home field advantage throughout the playoffs most years. So basically they started the season already hosting a divisional playoff game. And would be against a weaker wild card team. So really only had to win one game against a good team in the championship game playing at home often. Which is all true imo.
So if Brady was losing more superbowls than he was winning, going 4-6, people could say big deal he got to 10 superbowls. He had the easiest path in history to get to the superbowl every year. But what did he do when he got there? Lose more often than win proving his 10 superbowl appearances, and career, less impressive. Still impressive, just not as impressive, and if being grading on being the goat you got to be the most impressive.
But by Brady winning 7 superbowls, and only losing 3, showed the opposite. That he got it done mostly in the big game. And even though his path was always easier to get to the superbowl than other's paths, that he could say it's not my fault the afc east was soft. I've proven that i'm the goat by winning on the biggest of stages, the Superbowl.
Then add on if Brady brought in a bunch of dream team players to play with, like Yul Brenner finding the fastest guns in the west in the magnificant seven, and lost with them would have made his career even less impressive. Still a great career, but probably not the goat. That Mahomes winning 3 superbowls, and only losing 2, while having a much tougher path to the superbowl every year is more impressive. And especially with alot of career to go for Mahomes, knock on wood barring injury, would be likely be the goat. But when Brady can show 7 superbowl wins, instead of only having 4 Superbowl wins and 6 losses, matters.
40 year old Jordan was retired and on his couch, tough to speculate what he would have been able to do
Jordan knew he could only win with a perfectly constructed team coached by Phil Jackson and with Scotty Pippen. He lacked the courage to try to prove he could do it any other way.
Jordan knew he could only win with a perfectly constructed team coached by Phil Jackson and with Scotty Pippen. He lacked the courage to try to prove he could do it any other way.
MJ was always going to be attached to 1 player because he was always going to start winning the instant he got a little help, such as an all-star teammate..
And once MJ started winning, he wasn't going to collapse in subsequent years like Lebron's teams, thereby needing to jump ship - he was going to win with that all-star sidekick for a while (sustained winning), thus attaching the sidekick to him legacy-wise.
The reason that MJ had sustained winning and didn't need to team-hop is because the Bulls' path to greatness was based on brand of ball and chemistry development, instead of talent additions (talent-based winning) like Lebron's approach.... Chemistry is sustainable, while Lebron's talent-based approach was a house of cards that collapsed and required team-hopping for greener pastures (more talent).
The reason that Lebron couldn't develop chemistry is because his high-scoring, ball-dominant skillset imposes spot-up roles that crater everyone's assists and produces low assist teams... That's why he has a lottery record in the playoffs against great ball movement like the Spurs, Warriors or Nuggets, while also getting upset by 1-star opponents like Dwight, Dirk, Booker or Ant.
Btw, having a ROOKIE COACH like Phil Jackson isn't a "perfectly constructed" team... Having the 1st option carry the goat scoring burden to win every SERIES and title isn't a perfect roster... Phil was also wrong about everything because Jordan's scoring rate, shot attempts and usage went UP in the triangle (85-89' vs 90-93') - Jordan frequently averaged 35 to 45 ppg in many playoff series or Finals, so the offense didn't "spread the wealth" as promised.. Finally, the reason the Bulls' GM could build and win with a team of cheap defenders is because MJ was carrying the offense... That's the value of carrying the "star" category of scoring - it requires less stars, thereby allowing the GM to get the right "others"/defenders..
Unfortunately, excessive ball-dominance can't beat top teams, so Lebron can't carry the scoring load (defeat max defensive attention) like Curry, MJ, Kobe, Duncan or Hakeem... Specifically, Lebron never carried weak help over top teams (never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick), and he never defeated max defensive attention (never successfully carried the scoring load on the championship level).. His inability to carry the scoring load and therefore build elite defensive rosters is one of the reasons he's inferior to the aforementioned players (MJ, Kobe, Curry, Duncan).
The "decision" confirmed that the 07' run was a fluke and that Lebron actually couldn't make the Finals, even with homecourt advantage and league favorite status in the 09' and 10' playoffs.. The "decision" actually confirmed that Lebron couldn't do what his fans praise him for (make the Finals) without putting the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team.
That's now the 4th series Lebron has been swept out of the playoffs.
Jordan only twice. Never in a best of 7.
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Well he's played twice as many playoff series. So it's pretty much the same ratio.
For the 7th consecutive season, Lebron has a more successful season than same age Jordan. /Endthread
Well he's played twice as many playoff series. So it's pretty much the same ratio.
For the 7th consecutive season, Lebron has a more successful season than same age Jordan. /Endthread
He lost in the 1st Round with top 5 players as teammates like AD and Luka, so he's a joke..
He actually missed the play-in with AD and also with Ingram
Again, a joke.
Imagine Jordan losing in the 1st Round with Bird... as the favorite..
So you fell for a fraud and are fighting denial with horrible arguments
No one in history had to carry a 30-win team in the playoffs, except 86' Jordan.
It was the worst team in playoff history against the best team ever, so did Jordan lose by record amount like Lebron??
Of course not - the 2 series against Boston showed that Jordan achieved a 4th quarter lead in 4 of 6 games.. Jordan carried the worst team ever to a closer series than Lebron's super-teams in 14' and 17'.
Imagine using a 30 win team making the playoffs as a positive
