GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

My favrorite argument i've heard that's been pushed is Jordan was a choker and not clutch like Lebron. Yeah that's an honest argument if i ever heard one.

Lebron never played without TWO pippen's (two stars) for his title runs in 2012, 2013, or 2016, and then he was 2nd option for the 2020 run... So Lebron always had a star for his titles.

Ultimately, for Lebron to win as 1st option, he needed dominant 1st options to play 2nd and 3rd option for him that could match his scoring in important series.. Otoh, Jordan won with a career 2nd option that was carried in every series... So it's a clear-cut difference that shows Jordan's superiority.

Btw, in addition to the "migraine" choke in the 1990 Playoffs, Pippen averaged 15 on 40% against Dominique in the 93' Playoffs, and the same against X-Man in the 92' Playoffs... He also averaged 17.6 on 41% for the 96-98' Playoffs - this includes 15.7 on 40% for the 96' and 98' Finals, while also having the worst shooting splits that anyone ever had for playoff runs of 15+ games and 35= MPG (see stats in previous post above)... So Jordan won with a historic bricklayer/lane-clogger at sidekick that required carrying in every series that they played together..

With Pippen frequently MIA, Jordan had to win playoff series against top 5 SRS teams with weak scoring and efficiency from his sidekick all the time (carry weak help over top teams), while Lebron never did in 24 seasons - he never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never carried weak help over top teams (while Jordan did all the time).

Of all the things that didn't happen, this didn't happen so much that it unhappened other things.

yeah, it's amazing.. pure desperation.. and projection, smh

No player is going to win every single year, but Jordan has the highest title frequency in the modern era/offensive basketball

("offensive basketball" began in 1980 when the 3-point line was instituted and offensive dominance was required to win MVP thereafter - no more defensive specialists won MVP once the 3-point line was instituted, aka offensive basketball/modern basketball)...

Jordan was 6 for 15 = 40%... That's the goat frequency of offensive basketball/modern era.

So when we look at the modern era, Jordan achieved the goat winning frequency and goat teams, while also having the goat individual dominance (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, goat clutch, goat PPG with low turnovers).

Regarding Lebron, he simply produces massively weak teams compared to Curry, Duncan, MJ, Kobe, Bird, and many more... It's like pulling teeth to get him a ring, specifically because he's a talent-based winner that gave up on chemistry development after the 2010 season.

I was saying that nobody has said that Jordan wasn't "clutch" and Lebron is.

Also the GOAT frequency is Fennis Dembo. 100% of NBA seasons he played he won a title.

It happened. Look back a few weeks to a month ago they were saying jordan was a choker.

Fidstar and Carnivore I believe.. A few weeks ago.. It was quite remarkable.

As the best player?

In the history of 3-pointer basketball, Jordan has the twice as many "best player" chips as anyone else (since it can EASILY be argued that Lebron and Duncan were only the best player for 3 of their chips).

AD became the 1st player in history to arrive on a lottery team and lift them to championship in 1 season - he did this by turning the Lakers' defense from worst to 1st, while leading the team in scoring - it was one of the most clear-cut MVP seasons of all time and a GOAT season that AD got no credit for...... He got no credit due to the push to elevate LeFraud's legacy.

However, history will always show that Lebron was lifted out of lottery by a top 5 player that the league rigged for him to get, and then everyone claimed this added to his goat case... Essentially, getting completely carried on defense while being 2nd in scoring (carried on both sides of the ball) adds to a goat case - this was obvious fraud..

I heard Lebron doesn't have what it takes.

I would never call Jordan a choker unless I'm trolling. But you often say he never choked or always came through in the clutch. And it isn't true. He has some chokes on his resume.

So how come AD never accomplished anything without LeBron?

OK - show us.

There is a zero percent chance that your reading comprehension hasn't failed you here (whether intentionally or not)

Here's one where you said Jordan choked like no one before him. So yes, you were calling jordan a choker. Which since you were arguing for Lebron over Jordan you were implying Jordan was a choker, where Lebron was not.

And since Jordan is known to be the most clutch basketball player of all time it was kinda crazy to call him a choker.

Sorry to call out your post Fidstar, but i was asked to show where Jordan was called a choker.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or can you not understand nuance

I don't understand? You asked for an example of anyone calling Jordan a choker and i showed you. Shouldn't your respeonse be "ok, my bad, i didn't realize they were calling Jordan a choker." Instead decide to insult me? Sorry but you asked me to show you. So i showed you. Why does that deserve to be insulted?

All good. I'm not mad. Just don't understand why that was your response? I try to be as honest as i can arguing who the goat was. I try to be respectful as well.

Jordan having choked in a game does not mean people are claiming he was a perennial one and Lebron isn't one.

You are being one of the following three:

1) dishonest for the lolz
2) stupid, or
3) trolling

2019 - lottery
2021 - 1st Round loss
2022 - lottery
2023 - swept WCF
2024 - swept 1st Round
2025 - swept 1st Round
2026 - swept 2nd Round

Has anyone ever been gentleman swept, swept, or lottery for 6 straight years, or is Lebron the only one?... And how is this considered success?

Again, you asked to me to show you where anyone was calling Jordan a choker. I showed you. Proper response should be to say sorry, my bad.

By saying Jordan choked they were trying to imply that he was more of a choker than Lebron.

All good bro. No need for name calling. Not looking to get into it with you. Just having fun discussing who the goat is. Let's start over. All the best!

Ok champ, my bad youre right

The Champ part sounds insulting as well. But i'll take it. No harm, no foul. Truce.

It's a clinic

You're literally running circles around these bronnies