Sklansky thread

by BullyEyelash m

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Poker’s ‘Candle In The Wind’ BrandiRose Hawbaker

Part 2

https://www.rounderlife.com/pokers-candle-in-the-wind-brandirose-hawbaker-part-2-2/

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“Poker’s Candle In The Wind” BrandiRose Hawbaker Part 2

Why was this this series not completed and published?

Surely the author had written Part 3 - where is it?

I don’t know what Brandon told Mat. I disagree with most of his views on what happened back then.

There were other emails between David, Brandi, and I besides the one that was posted. In one email during the same time period, David said that he estimated that Brandi had a 60% chance of committing suicide. He went on to say something to the effect that if I helped him push her over the edge, by specifically befriending her again only to dump her unceremoniously (his idea), that might be “worth a car”. David wanted her to kill herself.

Over the years, I’ve struggled with the guilt of not doing more. At the time, I was afraid. I’ve consulted with lawyers about coming forward with this information and was advised not to, that I could be sued and locked in a defamation and then anti-SLAPP lawsuit that I could not singularly afford on my own. So I waited.

But this happened. And I never really got over it. Maybe I will find some peace in finally telling it.

I’m sorry to do it this way, Mat.

Wow thats ****ing horrible.

Can you explain a bit more about who you are and what your role in this was?

Maybe it was public knowledge at the time but I have no idea.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
Coming from someone who sent this mail its hardly surprising anymore (and DJ it will likely tell you a bit more about the source and give some context of DS manipulating people)
But is remains so barbaric, cruel, inhumane, horrible, savage, atrocious...
But I like to speak very precise so I will call it a stupid email

Yes I am aware of that email and called out Mason for calling it merely stupid.

I just dont understand how Jennfox was invloved.

I was expecting way worse.

"Suicide wouldn't be a bad option either. If you do that I will promise to stop badmouthing you.

Notice that I am sending a copy of this email to Jenn. We have put her through a lot so the l least I could do was send her something that know will provide her some enjoyment."

Sad to hear this wasnt worse enough for you

ill take admonishment for asking "the question" everyone has wondered about.

what was the reason sklansky wanted the girl dead?

He had…disadvantages.

Threatening with acid, what an *******. For a couple of hundred bucks.

I want to address this a little more. Over the years, David did a bunch of stupid things, and in my opinion, these things not only hurt David in terms of royalties earned, and that number, again in my opinion, is substantial, but it also hurt our company.

To give an example, David always wanted to sell the publishing company so that he could get a chunk of money up front. What he had trouble understanding is even if I sold the publishing company, his contracts would go along with the sale and he wouldn't get anything up front unless he then made a deal with the new publisher/owner to give him a one time payment in exchange for his royalties.

As an example of this, in 2003 after the poker boom began, David had discussions with Lyle Berman, without my knowledge, about selling Two Plus Two Publishing LLC to him. He then told me about it and my reply to him was that under no circumstances would I sell the company.

Fifteen minutes later, David called me again and this time he had Lyle Berman on the phone with him. That conversation lasted less than 30 seconds and ended any chance we ever had of doing anything positive with Lyle at that time.

This is the type of stuff I had to deal with over and over again. So, when I use the word "stupid," it's quite accurate and applies to many things.

hahah oh wow. Lets talk about this now. I mean threatening to throw acid in somebody's face isn't very nice okay.

But this is the real douzy!

He tried to sell the company? Without your knowledge or consent?

Those two things are at least equal in severity.

Actually you are the real victim here!

He didn't equate them. He just gave additional examples of stupid/shady behavior that made no logical sense.

I called him out earlier for calling the email that was sent to Brandi stupid.

I don’t think this is an adequate term to describe it.

I still take offence to merely calling it stupid. It is stupid, but it is much more than that, and there are more accurate descriptors.

At best, this is entirely tone-deaf, but based on Mason’s past posts, his tendencies, which I struggle to describe as anything other than narcissistic, the last sentence of his post, what he chose to quote, and the context of his post, he very much does equate them.

You actually didnt address this at all

You just told a story that does not have anything to do with threatening a girl with acid or telling her she should kill herself, instead you wrote about how DS tried to sell the company behind your back

For a man who likes to speak precise its quite uncanny

He was always doing stuff like this. Some of it, such as the example I gave, involved me directly. Other things, such as the Brandi email, I had no knowledge of and had nothing to do with.

From my perspective, even though you don't agree, it was just David acting like David sometimes did.

But I think you have come on here stating that we constantly covered for David when he did this stuff, and that's not true, And in private, my conversations with him were sometimes very strong and to the point.

And one last thing. I don't think you have much of an understanding of how a company works and what contracts mean. In addition, I wonder if you understand that there were more people involved in the company than just me and David and what the affect on them might be.

And I think you have no understanding of being human

The fact that you even put actions like trying to sell a company behind peoples backs and threatening with acid and telling a troubled young woman she should kill herself in the same daylight is testament of that. I dont care if 2+2 had thousands of people involved in the company, the **** he did was horrendous.

But hey, David was just always "doing stuff like this"

Good that your private conversations with David were sometimes very strong, it doesnt show here at all since you classify some of his depraved and abominable actions as just "stupid"

I believe you are repetitive to no end. You get it and everyone else gets it that Mason doesn't get it, or express himself in a way that pleases you. Give it a rest. Any further posts of yours in this thread will be deleted.

Frankly, Mason has done everyone a great service with this business related post, but it was probably too subtle for most of the white knights here.

Yeah, Mason conceded and explained quite a bit.

The posts from Mason & Mat paint a picture of someone who appears to have suffered karmically since Brandi’s tragic death about as much as his worst detractors could’ve wished for.

Mason,

If you’re open to answering this question, with the ability of hindsight, what was the latest year that you believe David was playing at the level of a winning poker player overall? What was the latest year that you believe he was playing at a level of winning that poker could have been his sole source of income without any book royalties to sustain him?

Apparently he played at the lowest stakes in the end, thinking about the book with special plays. I'm not Mason by the way.

It seems like he had money from royalties, investments, and previous winnings, In like 2005, it was totally easy to beat like 1/2 NL or 5/10 limit, but not for a good living. Seems like if he was breaking even in his mid to high stakes game, he should have started over at the bottom and seen what he could beat.

He apparently played 1/3 NL at the end for research for his book, but maybe that was what he thought he could beat.