Aria (Las Vegas, NV)
Hello Two Plus Two Community!
My name is Kat, I am the Poker Host for the Aria Poker Room, I am starting this thread to p
If you played in this game (you don't), you would very blatantly see the frustration of fish who want to gamble 1k stacks. The fish are there to GAMBLE.But they can't GAMBLE because the nit–regs don't want to straddle when everyone else agrees. The nit–regs don't want to play bomb pots. And the nit–regs sit on short stacks and wait to snipe.You don't lose fish
If the fish want to gamble 1K stacks, maybe they should sit in a bigger game?
If I want to play 2-5, and the rest of you want to straddle, why should *I* have to straddle? I didn't sit down to play 2-5-10. That is YOUR preference, not mine. If you think the straddle is good, ask for a table where it's not a straddle, but a mandatory third blind, and then the nits have to do it.
If nits only playing bomb pots when in position is a problem, then ask the room to make it a rule that you must play every bomb pot, or none of them.
See, that wasn't so hard.
If the fish want to gamble 1K stacks, maybe they should sit in a bigger gameIf I want to play 2-5, and the rest of you want to straddle, why should *I* have to straddle I didn't sit down to play 2-5-10. That is YOUR preference, not mine. If you think the straddle is good, ask for a table where it's not a straddle, but a mandatory third blind, and then the nits have to do it.
Agree with Fossilman here, I generally always straddle but if people want to but if they don't I won't, also I don't want to straddle at a 2-5 NLHE $1k cap game where half the table have $500 as I prefer not to play 50bb effective poker. Worse at Rivers Chicago where you can straddle 5x and people often would try to get everyone to commit to $20 straddles.
I will do if everyone else does it, but it makes the game less interesting to me - you have to play much tighter to be close to correct at 25bb effective...
Agree with Fossilman here, I generally always straddle but if people want to but if they don't I won't, also I don't want to straddle at a 2-5 NLHE $1k cap game where half the table have $500 as I prefer not to play 50bb effective poker. Worse at Rivers Chicago where you can straddle 5x and people often would try to get everyone to commit to $20 straddles.I will do if everyone
What you’re saying about 5X straddles just shows how little some people running poker rooms understand.
If it's an "auto-straddle" it is NOT a straddle. It is just a third blind. If the players really want the game to be 2/5/10, then they should ask for such a game, and play that rather than play 2/5.
Hence the reason the PLO game is now 5/10/20 instead of 5/5/10 with the optional 20, no? (Ignoring the fact that it also moved from the rock to UTG.)
I’ve only played it a couple times but imo, game feels too big now- huge gap between $1/$2 blinds ($5 bring-in) and $5/$10/$20 blinds ($20 being a mandatory 3rd blind)- sometimes with a $40 straddle ($40!!). Glad rock is gone tho.
If it's an "auto-straddle" it is NOT a straddle. It is just a third blind. If the players really want the game to be 2/5/10, then they should ask for such a game, and play that rather than play 2/5.Also, saying that "the fish have money they want to give away" is a sign of a serious issue. Yes, many fish know they are weak players, and not likely to win. But they are still
Adding a 2/5/10 (auto-straddle) game seems like a great idea. i like it!
The 1/2 PLO game is a terrible structure. I can't play it it's about as bad as a 2/5 NO limit game for me.
Hence the reason the PLO game is now 5/10/20 instead of 5/5/10 with the optional 20, no? (Ignoring the fact that it also moved from the rock to UTG.)I’ve only played it a couple times but imo, game feels too big now- huge gap between $1/$2 blinds ($5 bring-in) and $5/$10/$20 blinds ($20 being a mandatory 3rd blind)- sometimes with a $40 straddle ($40!!). Glad rock is gone
According to Bravo Poker, it's 5/10 with a 20 dollar rock. This avoids the false advertising / bickering at the table / etc.
what u see is what u get
I don't think re straddles are allowed, but you can put out a blind raise if you want
According to Bravo Poker, it's 5/10 with a 20 dollar rock. This avoids the false advertising / bickering at the table / etc.
what u see is what u get
I don't think re straddles are allowed, but you can put out a blind raise if you want
Did they change it back to a rock game for the WSOP? I was just there a few weeks ago and it was 5-10-20- as in mandatory (not optional) UTG third blind. Can’t remember for sure what it said on Bravo at the time but I think I would’ve remembered if it said “rock” and there wasn’t actually a rock.
If they changed it to a 5-10 with a 20 rock, that’s the nut low.
(Side note: in the former 5-5 with 10 rock, there was often a 20 live straddle so I don’t see why this wouldn’t be the same if it’s indeed a 5-10 with 20 rock game.)
Hence the reason the PLO game is now 5/10/20 instead of 5/5/10 with the optional 20, no? (Ignoring the fact that it also moved from the rock to UTG.)I’ve only played it a couple times but imo, game feels too big now- huge gap between $1/$2 blinds ($5 bring-in) and $5/$10/$20 blinds ($20 being a mandatory 3rd blind)- sometimes with a $40 straddle ($40!!). Glad rock is gone
It's a big jump. 1/2 up to 5/10/20, but Aria is dominating the market. The Wynn hasn't been able to get games going lately at 5/5/10.
Maybe over the summer we will see some action at the Wynn.
Also about the 1/2 game, there is a 2/2 with a 5 dollar rock in Hollywood that has pretty good action. I liked that structure pretty well. Also I played 2/5 optional straddles which was a good game. 1/2 is a game where you could probably play for a long time on a minimal bankroll. Some of the players in that game might be playing with rent money / small bankrolls.
Agree with Fossilman here, I generally always straddle but if people want to but if they don't I won't, also I don't want to straddle at a 2-5 NLHE $1k cap game where half the table have $500 as I prefer not to play 50bb effective poker. Worse at Rivers Chicago where you can straddle 5x and people often would try to get everyone to commit to $20 straddles.I will do if everyone
Also, if some guy has 10K bankroll at 1/2 PLO, or a 20K bankroll, he has a nice bankroll. He has 50 to 100 buy-ins. Then if you're basically bullying the guy to straddle or being pushy about it, then all of a sudden, the game becomes 1/2/10. If he agrees to straddle on his short bankroll, he could be putting his financial situation at risk.
https://youtu.be/w_Ic_O4S8zY?si=gdZ_hJ6P...
This video is a typical situation I saw play out over and over again at the Aria 5/5 game, if you just replaced Tony G with one of the French Pros who plays there, and Daniel with some nit reg who played there every day or some euro nit.
LOL 😀
It's not action if you straddle and insist every body at the table does it.
It's a 3rd blind.
Cheers!
If it's an "auto-straddle" it is NOT a straddle. It is just a third blind. If the players really want the game to be 2/5/10, then they should ask for such a game, and play that rather than play 2/5.Also, saying that "the fish have money they want to give away" is a sign of a serious issue. Yes, many fish know they are weak players, and not likely to win. But they are still
In general, poker games tend that are well structured, and this includes what the maximum buy-in is, should allow recreational players to win often enough that they will want to come back. See my Cardrooms management book for more discussion. While being nice at the table is certainly the way you should behave, I believe that poker games which provide a proper balance of luck and skill is far more important.
Look— you need thick skin to play live PLO. The big fish in PLO are nasty.
When I play 5/10/20, I don't like being coerced into blind raising to 50 UTG with everyone else. But I do it. When fish are trying to get straddles going or aggressively harassing me for being a nit, those are the best games to be in.
Pros are actually really nice to me. But I'm not making money from a table full of GTO wizards who wear hoodies, pack Tupperware lunch in their backpacks, wait to come in for free behind the button, do physical therapy exercises at the table, and play online poker with their phone or laptop stands on the felt, in plain sight, and in the middle of a live hand.
It sucks and you might not like it, but you have to give a little to get a little. In PLO, you give a little (straddle with everyone else) to get a lot (EV).
But if you don't like being bullied into straddling (I get it—it's nasty), button straddle could be a good fix (UTG straddle is still allowed and gets priority). Most people will do it because (contrary to what 2+2 mods believe) it's not –EV for good players. And it protects the nits—they can totally opt out without hurting the game.
A 1/2 PLO game with 1,000 buy-in is MUCH better with a straddle. 2/5/10 is good in theory, but there doesn't seem to be much interest among players to start something new. You have to work with what's already there.
Look— you need thick skin to play live PLO. The big fish in PLO are nasty.When I play 5/10/20, I don't like being coerced into blind raising to 50 UTG with everyone else. But I do it. When fish are trying to get straddles going or aggressively harassing me for being a nit, those are the best games to be in.Pros are actually really nice to me. But I'm not making money from a tab
So if there was a 1/2 game going and it wasn't a mandatory straddle, I might throw out a couple of straddles at the table so the rec players know it's fine to do it when it's not mandatory.
I don't really get why they want to put the 50 on in a 5/10/20 game with a 400 dollar buy-in. Much better if it's optional blind raises. They can turn the game into a 25 25 if they want to bump it up.
I still view it as a bit of a scam when they try to get the whole table to straddle. When it's optional you'll see who the real gamblers are. When it's mandatory, it can be fine but it's also lot of hard core nits in there "straddling"
Look— you need thick skin to play live PLO. The big fish in PLO are nasty.When I play 5/10/20, I don't like being coerced into blind raising to 50 UTG with everyone else. But I do it. When fish are trying to get straddles going or aggressively harassing me for being a nit, those are the best games to be in.Pros are actually really nice to me. But I'm not making money from
Agree 100%
I don't ever really want to be the only guy at the table not straddling
Now if 2 or 3 other people aren't straddling then I may or may not depending on the vibe at the table and if it was just a few new players who came in and aren't doing it. If the lineup is changing a lot with a lot of the the people who were straddling leaving and new players coming in not doing it then I'm ok with letting the straddle die
The way I view PLO is basically whatever game I'm trying to play I should always be ready to jump in a game 2x the size bc the straddle may be on in any of these games and I'm not gonna be the only player to refuse to do it wo a very good reason
The way I view PLO is basically whatever game I'm trying to play I should always be ready to jump in a game 2x the size bc the straddle may be on in any of these games and I'm not gonna be the only player to refuse to do it wo a very good reason
This. (Live PLO is usually played with a third blind or auto-straddle.)
Every body wanting to straddle can of a good problem to have. I was doing the straddle 99% of the time but if everybody is in, I'll do it 100% in the future or leave the game.
I don't want to mess up my table image by being perceived as killing the action or being a nit who won't straddle lol
If one or more persons is opting out, it's a maybe.
I think it's much better now they are posting it on the board than before for the 5/5/10 as a 5/10/20. Hopefully that's working out pretty well.
