USA Goes to War Against Iran

yep, many people on this forum were ripping Trump's speech and mad about it. but he dropped a lot of likely truths in it.

The IRI has a very detailed ideological charter, and are not shy about explaining how their actions are adhering to it. At some point when someone keeps repeatedly telling you who they are, you should accept they are telling the truth.

The problem is their motivations involve believing in magic and endtime prophecies. And liberals dont really have a theory of mind for this kind thinking. So they just ignore what IRI leaders have been saying for 40 years, and declare they dont really know what the IRI is even really about.

Also, if you accept IRI leaders are telling the truth, there is no real political solutions to be found. And liberals are not willing to go there, despite overwhelming evidence politics is mostly futile.

FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF 'CAN'T WIN FOR LOSING':

If Trump tells us what's really going on he's stupid.

If Trump doesn't tell us what's really going on he's being evasive or dishonest.

you are focusing on the wrong thing

Which is....?

the us capitulated to iran because we’re out of oil

geezey: "It took me until June 2026 to figure out Trump is retaaded; hopefully I have another chance to vote for him."

Probably more like early March 2026.

These things are pretty much always stated as relatives. You are not comparing Iranian Ayatollahs to some civic-minded social democrat, you are comparing them against other nutjobs.

As it pertains to the region, we can simplify the axis down to "nuclear weapons is a bad idea", "nuclear weapons is something we should explore", "nuclear weapons is something we should have" to "nuclear weapons is something we should use".

The reason it becomes complex is that the difference between 2 and 3 is debatable and 4 is a political superposition; you can't know it until you see it.

I don't think there is much need for speculation there. Regardless of how these planned talks pan out, there will be more war.

Iran will not stop its proxy warfare, the Iran-Iraq border region is a chaotic mess, Lebanon is a hot mess, Palestine is nowhere near a solution and Israel has painted itself into a corner. There is also enough ideological kindling in the region to keep it going for decades to come, and oil and nitrates is too important for the rest of the world to keep its meddling hands off the table.

You might get what I like to call "shitty peace". A war where everyone is polite enough to never use the w-word.

because iran spent more time attacking their sort of allies and fellow muslims then attacking Israel or the us

lmao theres no way. "the us capitulated to iran because they didn't want to pay above market prices to restock" maybe. you know you can just buy more right? the western hemisphere that is not at all effected by the blockade has a major surplus including isolating north america and American controlled Venezuela but global prices affect it. Might have been political suicide to ask congress for more money to buy oil

Peace talks halted because of Israel. Shocker...

So I guess that $300 billion in reparations that Mexico is going to pay- err... I mean the Gulf Coast Coalition is going to pay for is on hold.

you do realize that, instead of “just buying more” they have been actively releasing massive amounts of oil from strategic reserves?

do you understand why they are doing that? and why just buying more would have the opposite effect?

help me respect your intellect

Iran announced the Strait is closed again. As I said before, this is their leverage so they are going to keep using it. It is just going to be a nonstop game of chicken, and I guess the rest of the world is going to be doing all the blinking.

Disingenuous much?

The bolded is very important. There was a misconception among many (including myself) that the U.S. was essentially gifting Iran $300B. But that money is mostly releasing frozen assets; that is, it was Iran's money to begin with. Glad you pointed that out.

Where are you getting this? Even Iran claims it's only $100 billion.

Sounds like you're getting that Cheeto lipstick applied via tethering Trump's cock.

Sounds like the new marching orders and talking points have been issued.

Btw, we still don’t have money for healthcare or homeless. So pay up for more bombs and bullshit, citizen.

According to the BBC, the US 'with regional partners' is pledging $300bn of financial aid to Iran, and this is separate from the unfreezing of Iranian assets, which is dealt with in a different clause of the MoU.

Some IRGC flack said that, but the government's denied it.

lol the current Dem frontrunner for president vetoed health care in his home state and took vanity photos of himself destroying homeless encampments with his bare hands.

Money isn't the problem. NY and LA spend over $80,000 per person, and they have the worst homeless situations in the US. $80K!! Clearly, throwing large sums of money at it doesn't help anything.

It's about the will to use laws to end it, and actually caring rather than using as a corruption vehicle. They were able to clean up the streets of San Francisco when their left wing grand daddy Xi visited. All the homeless gone under threat of law, moved into shelters or elsewhere. Homeless programs in Democrat cities are partly scams for Democrats to enrich themselves. You want to throw more money at that?

Florida also does much better than NY or LA while spending far less - much lower rates of homelessness, more shelter beds. It helps that they're run by competent Republicans (not an opinion; Florida crushes on most metrics). Texas is another example of homelessness handled well and for far less money with better shelter coverage.