The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
Because I never made that claim 
. Slugtard on the other hand ...
See how moronic your response is?
You shilltards sure don't like being held to the same standard you demand of everyone else.
Still waiting on Slugtards proof for his PVI claim plus the results of his GTO test.
I have made that claim. I know for a fact that you are mind controlled by your neighbours cat.
Its obvious that you are. If you aren't you need to post proof that you are not. I am waiting.
I probably re posted it because its true that audits in their present form will never be able to pick up tweaking of the deck done in a subtle way... as this was the entire point....and it was as a extreme low number designed as an example, so that even a young child would understand the point.We didnt realise some autistic lunatic would actually think we were saying 0.01% of p
So what exactly is it that you claim. That there is rigging but so small that it cant be detected by statistical analysis?
Are they rigging the deck against just and only you or a tiny bit for everybody?
Proof has been shown above, AI clearly says what PVI is and it isnt what you thought/think. The fact that you dont seem to understand any of it doesnt change the fact that it's proof.You really dont get anything, its almost uncanny. Its not about whether or not you claim something. You pretended to have a principle that you want to see evidence for claims.But when somebody make
You're the one with IQ problems Slugtard. You refuse to provide proof for the claim you made about PVI. You're really no different than a riggie.
If you know so much about poker, why are you constantly using AI to generate responses for you? 
And when are you going to take the $20 GTO test? Or is that too rich for you?
Back to your IQ problem, I never said I didn't play poker at all. There are other ways to play poker than staring at a screen, playing a game that has never been proven safe. That's more like playing slots than poker. Probably works fine for low IQ people like yourself.
Get yourself out of the house.
Do you have testable evidence for this claim of yours or are you just the usual old, uneducated loser?
Calling you a braindead, worthless piece of **** is not an insult but a statement of fact. Prove me wrong, Juicetard...
Perhaps a mod could come along and do their job and hand you out a ban for abuse. That would seem to be the best solution here.
I probably re posted it because its true that audits in their present form will never be able to pick up tweaking of the deck done in a subtle way... as this was the entire point...
Slugant constantly does this and takes EVERYTHING literally
You quote somebody else's post (without zero sources) and add the phrase "the truth about regulation"
So I shouldnt take that literal??? What you are actually saying is that it isnt true at all??? Ok makes sense now 😀
TJ, your inability to read leaves you more clueless than you already were
I have added proof of what a PVI is, multiple times. You either skip it repeatedly or dont understand.
I say things in my own words and if you or whoever dont believe or want another source I occasionally use AI. But I know using sources or references to build a claim isnt exactly your forte and it just confuses you.
I have said when I take the test multiple times as well. Its uncanny how you read over relevant parts of information constantly.
When just one of you riggies grow a pair of balls and stands behind his words in the form of a 1k bet (can be more im up for that) I will take test and show results immediately. But so far isnt all speech and no cohones.
I never said you didnt play poker, I said you didnt play online poker. Yet over 90% of your posts are ITT discussing online poker. You are out of your element, completely.
TJ ... I never said you didnt play poker, I said you didnt play online poker. Yet over 90% of your posts are ITT discussing online poker. You are out of your element, completely.
Perhaps he plays with a partner, or colleagues? Perhaps he thinks their games are rigged against him, and that's why he's so interested in this thread?
Give him a break. He's obv a special kind of guy.
Perhaps he plays with a partner, or colleagues? Perhaps he thinks their games are rigged against him, and that's why he's so interested in this thread?
Give him a break. He's obv a special kind of guy.
From one special guy to another, I can tell you Mike that I play live poker. Bad beats a plenty and no suspicion of rigging.
I have an interest in this thread because it would be good to play online for the convenience but there is no suitable site. Once one proves that it has a fair game, then I'll consider it. For now, I'll leave the slot machine poker to the shilltards.
Now are you going to do your job and ban Slobtard?
TJ, your inability to read leaves you more clueless than you already wereI have added proof of what a PVI is, multiple times. You either skip it repeatedly or dont understand.I say things in my own words and if you or whoever dont believe or want another source I occasionally use AI. But I know using sources or references to build a claim isnt exactly your forte and it just con
Isn't it incredible how quickly the shilltards go into stupid mode. As soon as they are asked to produce the same standard they demand of others, i.e. proof of claims they are making, their brain immediately fries up.
Once again:
Nice attempt to dodge the question but deflection won't work with me. I don't need an explanation of what PVI is. Let's assume we all know that.
You seem to have trouble remembering the actual claim you made. It was this:
"the PVI doesnt influence your runouts like you implied."
Proof please.
That bit in bold dopey. Still waiting on actual proof, not an AI generated answer. When you're ready.
$20 is obviously too rich for your broke ass. Either that, or you're too cowardly to take the GTO test. Says a lot about you.
Im willing to bet 1k, 2k you name it. Are you taking me on or pussying out like a little girl for the 20th time in a row? 😃
You quote somebody else's post (without zero sources) and add the phrase "the truth about regulation"
So I shouldnt take that literal??? What you are actually saying is that it isnt true at all??? Ok makes sense now 😀
A guy who insists on truth and evidence, lets have a look at that to see if you are credible;
1 I state that im self employed. You say i am not. Based on absolutely nothing. We are at least experiencing something that makes us believe that a deck is not right. You have nothing, nothing at all.
2 I state i am a winning poker player. You say im a loser. Based on nothing but a decision to say im a loser.
3 i stated i had business qualifications. You suggested i was lying. Based on nothing.
4 JohnMir suggested he was a tennis coach. You suggested he wasnt by constantly referring to this in a derogatory manner. Based on nothing but an assumption he was lying. But you dont know the guy and know nothing about him. Or me.
5 i state i play poker for holiday money. You say i dont. Despite knowing nothing about me, my finances or anything at all.
Shall i continue?
Not just no evidence, absolutely nothing, no experiences, nothing to back anything up at all.
I think ive just exposed you as a complete hypocrite.
Im willing to bet 1k, 2k you name it. Are you taking me on or pussying out like a little girl for the 20th time in a row? 😃
Are you going to provide proof to back up your PVI claim or not?
And when you scrape together that $20 in rakeback, let us know. Then you can take the GTO test.
And it's nice to see how Mike is moderating the forum. I get called all sorts by the village idiot. Mike himself makes a sideways derogatory comment. And this is his response:
And ...
How many infractions were handed out for rigtard/rigturd and various other combinations? I guess those are ok?
Do you have testable evidence for this claim of yours or are you just the usual old, uneducated loser?
Calling you a braindead, worthless piece of **** is not an insult but a statement of fact. Prove me wrong, Juicetard...
Let's see how many infractions Mike hands out for these 
It is of course, dependent on whether you accept online poker as a completely random entity..... I mean if you are seriously handing out 'infraction points' without bias, BobtheSlob would have gone a lonnnngggg time ago.
You guys do embarrass yourselves with claims of integrity. I once had an email from Full Tilt the day before they got shut down with their claims of how their site was run with integrity.
Its a thing with those involved in the sites, a recurring theme that they prove time after time they have none. Clearly you have to be a certain type of individual to be involved with these sites in the first place.
Cue the usual aggressive slurs and retaliations, which of course, also prove this point time and time again.
I have made that claim. I know for a fact that you are mind controlled by your neighbours cat. Its obvious that you are. If you aren't you need to post proof that you are not. I am waiting.So what exactly is it that you claim. That there is rigging but so small that it cant be detected by statistical analysis? Are they rigging the deck against just and only you or a tiny bit fo
Shall we do this for a 29th time just for the slow DonJohnnie?
It can not be detected because an audit is not able to decipher anything but how often each card comes out, within a certain acceptable percentage. If i lose a hand to a 3 outer and then another next hand, then there has been hundreds of hands dealt on the site between those 2 hands of mine, so there is not going to be anything being flagged as unusual. How could it? They are only auditing the site as a whole to how often each card comes out.
Just for you and Slugant.... only 2 who cant get this.... no-one is saying that rigging is really small, its pretty huge as we all know and experience on an hourly basis..... it was just an example to highlight how inept an audit is, that there is no way it could pick up a 0.01% anamoly...absolutely no way.... so its up to sites how far they wish to push this percentage knowing it will never pick this up.
You last question is what the sites/slugant use as their classic line.... they deflect by saying why would they pick on my low stakes and just for me to lose. This is of course nonsense.
The sites algorithms are working all the time, in every game, tournament, cash hand at every stake level, to ensure results BENEFIT THE SITE most. Whether than this be a newbie (yes we all win our first games dont we?), high volume player (keeping them sweet as their fave site), losers (ensuring they dont lose at the rate their play dictates), whatever the case, the algorithm is working for the most site profitable result.
Lets consider a site that suddenly announces its changing its platform.... why is that? How is that sold to them and why would they do that? Happens all the time. You could believe they will leave one platform with a totally random deck.... for another totally random deck... that plays exactly the same and endure the costs involved and risk of upsetting its loyal customers.... or you can get real and accept that the reason they have moved, is that its been sold to them as a more sophisticated bit of kit that will help them retain customers and increase their revenue hugely.
You have to get real in what business they are in and how they constantly expose their agenda in huge fines in other areas.... constantly....
It is so so naive to think companies that have proved themselves untrustworthy on so many occasions, just sit back and whatever happens. happens at the tables... that is NOT a business model!!!!!!
Thank god we shouldnt take anything you say literal (your advice) otherwise people might think you are a mental patient
As usual, your thinking is way off.
You've only exposed yourself to be very ignorant. Better luck next time 😉
no-one is saying that rigging is really small, its pretty huge as we all know and experience on an hourly basis..... it was just an example to highlight how inept an audit is, that there is no way it could pick up a 0.01% anamoly
But you say the rigging is huge, therefore it doesnt matter if an audit doesnt pick up 0,01%. Its irrelevant to the situation you describe yourself.
If its indeed huge as you claim audits would find out. And more importantly, huge rigging doesnt go undetected by trackers as well, it can be shown. Unfortunately you did forget to show this though
Mommy mommy the other kids are really mean to me mwehh mwehh
Jfc I thought you couldnt become anymore of a little girl cowarding out on my bet proposal each and every time but somehow you did it.
Tell me, were you bullied more as a child, as an adult or as an online poker player?
Didn't Slugant ask you to play him heads up on a site of your choosing? Why not just play him?
I really want to believe you people have intelligence. You are telling me that I am stupid and you are on a higher planet by the manner in which you communicate.So please explain to me why you and Slugant think this request is of intelligence given you know;1 I think it is not random and there is an element that a deck favours whatever benefits the site most2 I play micro stake
There is no proof that Slugant has even played poker, nevermind be a winning player..... but he looks up JohnMir and myself and whatever he found under those names he claims that must be 100% their entire poker history. If we are using his own judgemental basis, hes never played poker. I did put up the overview for a forum Moderator.... if you think this thread represents 'mai
Instead of simply declining, you're responding with these long, weird diatribes
Would you play if the game was PLO8 and the stakes were .01/.02 or play money?
A guy who insists on truth and evidence, lets have a look at that to see if you are credible;1 I state that im self employed. You say i am not. Based on absolutely nothing. We are at least experiencing something that makes us believe that a deck is not right. You have nothing, nothing at all.2 I state i am a winning poker player. You say im a loser. Based on nothing but a decis
Plan on answering a simple question, or what?
Mommy mommy the other kids are really mean to me mwehh mwehh
Jfc I thought you couldnt become anymore of a little girl cowarding out on my bet proposal each and every time but somehow you did it.
Tell me, were you bullied more as a child, as an adult or as an online poker player?
You have no morals either. Not surprising but thanks for confirming.
There is the small matter of the PVI proof and the GTO test. When you're ready.
Juicetard seems pretty angry about the fact that no one in the Poker industry cares about whiny rigturds. Btw, how is that proof of a rigged deal coming along?
He wrote ****, ****, ****, and ****.
It would be a bit ******* silly to infract for using asterisks, don't you think?
**** me.
Shall we do this for a 29th time just for the slow DonJohnnie? It can not be detected because an audit is not able to decipher anything but how often each card comes out, within a certain acceptable percentage. If i lose a hand to a 3 outer and then another next hand, then there has been hundreds of hands dealt on the site between those 2 hands of mine, so there is not going to
Got it so what you are saying is that the card distribution is fine. But somehow rooms make sure to deal for example the correct number of aces to all players but to only deal them when they not beneficial to the players in this group of rigged against accounts.
I mean there has to be a group of players that has teh deck rigged in favor off it cant be rigged against all players all of the time.
Is this group statis? Do they just decide after sign up that its rigged against you or can it for example be rigged against me at nl25 and 50 but not rigged at nl100? Whats the criteria here?
I mean it cant be that its rigged against strong players. That wouldn't fit your theory as you claim it is rigged against you and we have established you have no idea how to play omaha h/l.
Is the group of players that its rigged against simply players unable to save hand histories or collect and or understand data in any meaningful way?
Because if the game was massively rigged against people who arent absolutely clueless we would have seen data samples that suggest so.
Now youw ill obviously point towards the 150k hand sample recently posted. But that falls within normal distribution. Thats why I suggested the player have a look at variance calculators and Slugant even posted the results of a variance calculator here.
You have to understand that in poker there is an element of luck. You can run bad. You can run bad for an extended length of time.
Or wait are the poker rooms rigging games but very carefully keep everybody within a normal range in term of deviation and the bigger the sample gets the more it converges toward the expected value?
I know thats hard to understand for you but anything that has major impact on results would be very easy to spot.
So in essence your idea is dumb. Thats why it is so hard not to sling an insult towards you and the short bus crew.
Every of the ideas you present are just childish, dumb and entirely nonsensical.
You have no morals either. Not surprising but thanks for confirming.
There is the small matter of the PVI proof and the GTO test. When you're ready.
Typical cat mind control behaviour. If you weren't mind controlled by your neighbours cat you would have posted proof of that long ago.
But guess what you cant! Because your neighbors cat mind controls you.
So bad beats a plenty live = all is fair
Bad beats online = all is rigged
The contradictory king strikes again 🙂
Also please prove live poker is fair, I'll wait...
Ohh Im ready. Ready to bet 1k, 2k, 5k, you name your price. You riggies can even pool all your money together and we can bet $500 LOLOL
When you or your siamese riggie friends are ready to grown some balls let me know 😀
Concerning the PVI proof, here are some websites detailing what a PVI is since AI was off the table and if I use my own words Im just shilling...
https://www.yourpokerdream.com/overview-...
https://worldpokerdeals.com/blog/pvi-or-...
https://igamelink.com/news/gg-pokers-pvi...
https://plomastermind.com/ggpoker-rake-r...
https://www.primedope.com/ggpoker-review...
Please read them all carefully in your quest to find evidence
Notice how they all describe PVI is just the mechanism (multiplier/divisor) that determines how much rakeback you actually earn and there is zero mention of any runout influence.
But I know you and your many shortcomings now for a while so your next thought must be: "Well, those articles didnt specifically say the PVI isnt the cause of any runbad... or forest fires and floodings for that matter"
Well, thats mostly because anyone with a brain already knows the two are unrelated but just put on your tinfoil head and take a loot at this:
https://www.srps.org.uk/
The website for the Scottish railway preservation society
At first glance I thought it was just a volunteer-led organisation dedicated to the advancement of Scottish railway heritage.
But then I looked a little more closely... and guess what...
Nowhere on the site does it say they dont tamper with the RNG of pokersites !!!!
BOOM I caught them red-handed
Clear proof the Scottish railway preservation society is the evil mastermind behind all your poker unfortune!
You are welcome
No idea what TeflonDawgs post was asking.
DonJohnnie continues not to understand how a manipulated deck would work to benefit the site in any given game. Is still thinking it only picks on certain players, bless him.
Slugant made the comment that i was 'ignorant' for pointing out several examples of where he simply just decided people were lying about what they said about their personal lives. With no other information, other than he decided they were not true. For no reason. Oh the irony!
Lets take a look at whats happening here.
Bookmakers, Poker sites etc, you have to be a particular type of person to represent these businesses. Hard faced is the phrase. Show no feelings, sympathy or remorse for others. You have to be a certain person who can take everything from someone and have no empathy whatsoever.
Same as online/phone scammers. Again, the same skills required.
Interestly enough, what happens when that vulnerable person does not log off/hang up the phone... they are engaging, but does question the info that the scammer is telling them to action? Ah yes, its well known that the scammers get aggressive, belittle them. Well known tactic, to bully them into doing what they want.
Scammers, bookmakers, gambling sites, all the same skills required.... no feelings ever shown for others, do what they have to do to wrinse people of their hard earned money.
So go on absolutely any online poker forum, eloquently explain how you think online decks work... what do you know happens?
Thats right! 3 or 4 highly aggressive, belittling people claiming to be no part of any site but go over the top in their defence of online decks.
Slugant never gets bored of laying into whoever wanders in here, repeating himself over and over. Why? Because thats his role within the company to belittle people, that old technique of dealing with those who question within these industries.
So you think gambling sites never show any feelings for others and do what they have to do to wrinse people out of hard earned money. They show no sympathy or remorse and to be them requires the same skill as to be a phone scammer.
(you will say misquote obv but its exactly what you said...)
What does it say about you then that you stick around on gambling sites and be a loyal member for 25+ years?
Why do you choose to stay around for so long in a business with zero empathy, you really have to be a certain person to do that. You are joining exactly what you say you loathe. Which is perhaps where all your anger towards the game itself comes from.
If I found the backgammon world to be so morally low as you describe poker I wouldnt play backgammon for 25+ years, but you do. All the while pointing fingers at others who are part of same world you are.
Get off your high horse, you suck at poker and cry about it. You dont eloquently explain how the deck works, you contradict yourself any time you get the opportunity.
Also note, that you only get belittled when talking about a magical RNG.
If you want to say you've encountered botting, RTA, collusion or ghosting nobody here would tell you that never happened. You pick a fairy tale argument and then gets mad when the incovenient truth gets thrown in your face.
But dont blame us, blame the Scottish railway preservation society
I have eloquently proven how they work all our RNG just earlier today.
Simply by providing the same level of evidence you've shown here in 13 years time 😀
he simply just decided people were lying about what they said about their personal lives. With no other information, other than he decided they were not true. For no reason. Oh the irony!
No I just quoted 2 things you said work-related and I wonder what happened there:
Because on March the 16th
But then just 8 days later
You see the difference there?
I was just wondering what happened that in 8 days time you lost 2 of your businesses?
Must be that you become a paid shill for the big anti-poker mafia 🙂
No idea what TeflonDawgs post was asking.DonJohnnie continues not to understand how a manipulated deck would work to benefit the site in any given game. Is still thinking it only picks on certain players, bless him.Slugant made the comment that i was 'ignorant' for pointing out several examples of where he simply just decided people were lying about what they said about their p
Whoever operates this account: Dial it down, totally unbelievable..
No idea what TeflonDawgs post was asking.DonJohnnie continues not to understand how a manipulated deck would work to benefit the site in any given game. Is still thinking it only picks on certain players, bless him.Slugant made the comment that i was 'ignorant' for pointing out several examples of where he simply just decided people were lying about what they said about their p
So what you are saying is that the deck spits out the right amount of aces and deuces and so on but that the roo monitors every hand it deals and makes sure nobody ever hits a draw?
you know that poker is a zero sum game if we disregard rake right?
