The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched

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22 July 2008 at 04:53 AM
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by TheWaddy

If you seriously think that i played 78 games on FullTilt

Its a matter of record. They tracked every other player perfectly with tons of players with over 20k+ games, none of the data being wiped. Why would sharkscope wipe ONLY yoar games but leave 78?
Also, you could be lying about it being your main site for years or that you were actually any good 15 years ago.... It sounds strange right, but then again, you've been caught lying before. Even when its really obvious and not even possible chronologically.

by TheWaddy

And i encouraged people to look at this did i!??

You didnt but you did brag about a silver star. Probably without thinking of the logical next step because thats what you do.
Probably you also didnt research your sharkscope numbers because you think research is "unhealthy"
Your recollection and memory often seemed to have failed you and not comply with the real numbers at all before so I think that just happened again. It really isnt more uncanny than sharkscope picking you out to throw a chunk of tournaments away but keep them for EVERYBODY ELSE.
Also, if sharkscope is lying about your numbers how can we be sure they are not lying about your precious silver star since they got you all wrong??

by TheWaddy

I had the star for years with the games and profit, i cant explain why the star remains, but the figures have gone

Nobody can waddy thats the thing. But im a bit disappointed that even you cant think of a next lie to justify these numbers.
Remember just yesterday when you told these numbers were this way because you tried it out after the migration to pokerstars even though its the 8 years prior to that and therefore cannot be possible?
And whats even more uncanny is that the numbers have stayed up there for literally everybody else. Its ONLY you that lost the numbers. This conspiracy goes deep, but remember waddy: Whenever you hit rock bottom, grab a shuffle and dig deeper:p

by TheWaddy

i believe that TheWaddy earned a silver star on Sharkscope, by playing 78 games over 7.5yrs and this is the amount of games he ever played there

I dont have to "believe", I can just check. You can do as well as well.
And with these facts I am completely comfortable swearing on my mothers life/memory whatever that means to you.
You think its odd that that phrase has never been said before? You realize your sharkscope results on full tilt were posted YESTERDAY?

But lets see if you hold the same conviction of your claims even though they go against the laws of time themselves:

by TheWaddy

The 78 games was to try it out when Pokerstars had got their grubby influence, switching it to their decks

Can you swear on your mothers life/memory the above made claim that you only played there to check out the new rigged deck from the migration to pokerstars even though you played there from 2008 to 2016 and the full tilt switch to stars happened after that in 2016?
If you dont, you were caught lying (which you are)
If you do, thats bye bye mommy I fear :p

by TheWaddy

odd that when they claim to be speaking the truth, hmmmmmm?

Lets see if these two conniving idiots will type the sentence.... then again they are so low, they might......

You think its odd someone hasnt said anything in a way that means they are convinced. But if they say that sentence they are so low???
Are you getting paid each time you contradict yourself within the minute? Because if thats true I believe you have made a fortune.

by TheWaddy

In the meanwhile i will attempt to get a way to prove this

It'll be the first time you actually proved anything so best of luck
Might I suggest to you looking up your sharkscope profile, all the proof is there to see 😉


Slugant/Donjohnnie... will you post these words;

'I swear on my mothers life/memory that i believe that TheWaddy earned a silver star on Sharkscope, by playing 78 games over 7.5yrs and this is the amount of games he ever played there'.

In your own time. As i said anyone involved in Poker sites avoid this and as i said, they answer with all sorts but never are prepared to back their comments to this extent.

Regardless of the Sharkscope incorrrect figures shown, you have stated that i 'never got out of micro stakes' just recently, so you didnt need any proof from there anyway. So in your opinion, this would be wholly consistent as me as a player, right?


We litigating Sharkscope stats again?

TheWaddy is JohnMir2.0???

LMFAO


by TheWaddy

If you seriously think that i played 78 games on FullTilt, my main site for years, not only for my own account but as a staked player, then feel free to do so!And i encouraged people to look at this did i!??I had the star for years with the games and profit, i cant explain why the star remains, but the figures have gone.... i dont work for Sharkscope or any other poker related

TheWaddy

I don't have an account at SharkScope but I had a look at their site to get you a contact address, so you can ask them why their figures are only wrong for you. (It's, fairly obviously, [email][email protected][/email], btw.)

While there, I used a free search and saw:


Do you swear on your mother's life that you don't have the wit to check anything anywhere before you go off on one of your rants? Or are you going to say now that it was your master plan to post this as your big reveal?


I am going to enjoy today. We know Slugant will try and turn what is shown and proved into another belittling angle, it is what he does with every single person who wanders in here with an opinion different to his.

He will have to basically frantically try to come up with more belittling thoughts, to try and somehow salvage some credibility.

I have made good money on sites like Full Tilt, been staked on this site, but have made alot of money anywhere i have played.... VC Poker, thousands, Betfred poker, thousands etc. I even joined an obscure site which was the foundation to qualify to be staked (im sure it was 'Golden' something, maybe Palace), where i turned $10 into $1000 in a few weeks.

I play for small stakes now and have for quite some time. Not because i started losing. It was because i could see what was happening leading up to and after Black Friday and no longer trusted what i was seeing on an hourly basis. The endless outcomes were not possible and had come out of nowhere....and just before this online poker was already being talked about as 'unsustainable'. I still played, but only a fool would play for the money i was previously when i knew the game was no longer 'a proper game'. I was happy to play small stakes, just for fun... i was convinced The Gambling Commission would not take long to get to grips with what was happening.

It had become a new version, one that was adjusted in order for sites to survive. Sites started switching to platforms, grouped together and no longer using their own software. These platforms seemed to offer them ways of survival, that their own software could not.

And so was born the modern day online poker. Literally happened over a few months. A deck that could enable site survival, offer losing players a way of retaining accounts, greasing large volume players, etc, basically a hugely sophisticated deck that worked tirelessly to provide the best outcomes for the site. A site could not survive without this new technology and it was an easy sell.

Could i play at the same mid stakes, increase volume and take advantage? If i was wrong that was too bigger chance to take, i would be mad to lose what i had won over many years playing with a deck i knew to be not right. But this was a temporary thing right? I play small until regulation kicks in. It has to right? Sadly it never did.

The winning has continued but im playing 'poker', whilst folding etc, in situations im never folding with a real deck.... such as flopped nut high straights at PLO8, with one low card heads up.... crazy huh? Not when the hand never, never holds up online its not.

I would never be comfortable playing mid stakes having to play like this. It would drive me mad, im a poker player not a gamer. So i play small whilst watching tv, laugh at the outcomes, laugh some more and make a bit of holiday money whilst not taking things seriously.

I WOULD like to take things seriously though and continue to campaign to be able one day, play poker online.

Now lets move on to some of the comments, just born out of pure speculation, that i have had to endure since arriving here and especially the very recent ones...... along with proving one or two points that i have been told im lying about on numerous occasions.........


by Mike Haven

TheWaddyI don't have an account at SharkScope but I had a look at their site to get you a contact address, so you can ask them why their figures are only wrong for you. (It's, fairly obviously, [email][email protected][/email], btw.)While there, I used a free search and saw: Do you swear on your mother's life that you don't have the wit to check anything anywhere before

Wow..... are you actually turning this into something where im in the wrong!???

Late last night i emailed Sharkscope, as i dont take well to posts from people who throw out accusations/lies about me just because it enters their heads.

I did say that i would attempt to prove this..... but it appears you dont like that fact and somehow want to protect Slugant, whereas most moderators of sites would be removing their slanderess posts.


So i emailed Sharkscope on why the stats were not showing;

Remember;

Slugant said;

Its a matter of record. They tracked every other player perfectly with tons of players with over 20k+ games, none of the data being wiped. Why would sharkscope wipe ONLY yoar games but leave 78. It sounds strange right, but then again, you've been caught lying before. Even when its really obvious and not even possible chronologically.
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But im a bit disappointed that even you cant think of a next lie to justify these numbers.
Remember just yesterday when you told these numbers were this way because you tried it out after the migration to pokerstars even though its the 8 years prior to that and therefore cannot be possible?
And whats even more uncanny is that the numbers have stayed up there for literally everybody else. Its ONLY you that lost the numbers. This conspiracy goes deep, but remember waddy:

[B] Whenever you hit rock bottom, grab a shuffle and dig deeper
Waddy, Im truly excited to see what mental gymnastics you will have to perform to not acknowledge all of these undeniable truths.[/B]

Even though these hands started 8 years prior of pokerstars taking over and ended before it.
It simply is in conflict with the laws of time
But even thewaddy must realize he has been caught with his pants down here.
Because he did the most Trumpian thing he can do; when faced with a provable lie, yell at the top of your lungs that the other guy is twisting the truth in a fashion never seen before.

What are you not understand about this data?
Why are you making up that the numbers were wiped because of a pokerstars takeover even though what they tracked was the 8 years before that even happened

You are in fact the only culprit of "THE BIGGEST TWISTING OF TRUTH." and unfortunately for you, everybody can see it now

On full tilt he even made €13 a year.
I did say multiple times he couldnt escape microstakes, and therefore he isnt good (although maybe not down lifetime). He might think of himself as good because he is up a few bucks, but put it all together and its 1 buy-in for an actual decent player. So its nothing to be proud of, in fact after 25+ years its embarrassing.

But hey, what if I told you one of them actually has a revolving silver star for making €13 per year from 2008 to 2016

And much much more.

I dont know if you can see the reply well, but yes they basically confirmed that data can omitted and that 'older archived sessions from the defunct Full Tilt network may no longer be fully accesible if they werent carried over during historical database consolidation'.



So i asked them what did the revolving star represent, surely this was from past figures that had been wiped and not for something within the 78 games shown. Maybe they could just clarify what that represented in order to salvage some kind of proof of my past history.

So i got a reply from 'Rex' this time.... they looked into it with a bit of tech and managed to recover a sample.

Lets consider some of the posts ive had written about me in the past;

Slugant 7/6/26 3.37pm; 'guys there are enough big winners out there.... the only reason you are not part of them is that you are not good enough'

Slugant 3/6/26 12.08pm; 'you especially.... never seem to have a healthy relationship with poker. They are also losing.

Donjohnnie 2/26/26 5.19; 'you are just some dude who is not good at poker and are a sore looser' (he couldnt spell loser, nevermind)

DonJohnnie 7/6/26 10.22am; 'the reason you lose is that you are a terrible player and generally not very smart' (love that one on so many levels)

Donjohnnie 7/6/26 10.22am 'why do you keep making up this nonsense, your points are just made up. I love hearing your take about PLO h/l by the way. You have got no idea how to play that game at all, its quite funny'

'you really dont understand logic or poker, or pretty much anything else'

'the crazy persons response is claiming it to be rigged where a person with the right poker mind will try to figure out why they are getting beat'

I could literally find stacks more of these quotes. They type these things without knowing anything about me.


This is a small sample from the back end of my time on FullTilt. I can prove this as if you hover over the $ sign on tournaments, it shows games im playing heads up for $50 at like game 500 or so in this 8695 game sample..... i did not start playing $50 for some years, clearly i had to build up to this. $10-$20 games over years are missing.

The above shows cashes as £65000 with the dates inc to 2016.... whereas in 'publish' there is an achievement of reaching $100,000 in cashes in 2014, with still 2yrs behind the first figure. So there is a huge amount of data missing as they say there will be from the earlier years.


Im sorry to expose you guys for making unsubstantiated personal claims. I may have an opinion you dont like about online poker, but as one human being to another, this behaviour is astounding.


I literally have no idea what exactly a Silverstar is or what it means. Its a silly badge I dont give a damn about.

I also have no idea why you so triumphantly declare to be right.

I have in my last post already pointed out that there is a thewaddy account that has been beating micro stakes for a while.

That could be you for sure. I mena if you play micro stakes omaha h/l if you know that a low exists that makes you better than half the field already. Its tough not to beat these games.

It also looks like you used to play a bit higher than right now before black friday. I wouldnt quite call it midstakes, no iea where you got that idea, but yeah 6 bucks average stake so the higher end of micros while now you play the lower and of micros still win but at a smaller clip.

I suppose even micros got tougher post black friday.


I will leave you with some quotes that Slugant has said to ME, his opinion on me. See what you think.

'Slugant 3/18/26 1.03pm 'you cant just blurt out random thoughts and lies that fit your narrative'

Slugant 07/05/26 12.24pm 'its all made up nonsense without a source and most importantly, without any evidence'.

Slugant 3/13/26 1.54pm 'the amount of times you say something as if they are facts, while they are visably untrue is astounding'

Can anyone spot any of this in his posts about my account at Full Tilt?

I would have thought a decent person may offer some kind of apology..... but if we know him well enough he will try desperately to deflect by going down the road of 'its not alot of money(ignoring missing data from fulltilt, vc poker, betfred etc) and 'oh its so long ago' etc. Thats not the point. Your way of posting is the point.

But lets just focus on how he goes about his day and just this, instead of figures. Its who he is and what he does. This can not be denied any longer.


by donjonnie

I literally have no idea what exactly a Silverstar is or what it means. Its a silly badge I dont give a damn about.I also have no idea why you so triumphantly declare to be right.I have in my last post already pointed out that there is a thewaddy account that has been beating micro stakes for a while.That could be you for sure. I mena if you play micro stakes omaha h/l if you k

The first guy wanders in, continues down the familiar line.

Perhaps take in this is a small sample Sharkscope managed to retrieve.

$50 HU sng is midstakes+, hover over the earlier $ signs. See the increase on a steep slant. Was i losing, if not why did i stop? See the $100,000 cash achievement showing. There is a huge amount missing, as confirmed in the email, if you believe $100,000 was made from microstakes, then feel free to continue to misquote and disbelieve, i dont really care how much you show yourself up.

The spinning star is explained under 'leaderboards'. At its peak Full Tilt was second only to Pokerstars for site traffic, achieving 40,000 players at peak hours. Sit and go's you had zero wait on them on tap. I played $10 - $20 HU during this time over a variety of games .... Omaha hi lo, Razz, Stud hi lo, HORSE, each with their own regs and no wait for games. The star is for profit of that level of SNG for stud tournaments, 20th place for the year 2009. I know you will discredit this, its cool, its what you and Slugant do. But it was a collassal amount of games on a 40k player site and 20th is an achievement that tells you at worst that 'i have a clue'.... which you often claim i dont.

Maybe just apologise, withdraw some of your above accusations and move on? Be a man, we know Slugant and Bob can not, but i know your better than that....


by TeflonDawg

We litigating Sharkscope stats again?

TheWaddy is JohnMir2.0???

LMFAO

No i just emailed them and they helped with what they could, restored some figures, no litigation required, but thanks for your baiting without merit.

Heres the other guy who constantly pokes without thinking.

Do you want to withdraw this?

You usually just disappear for months when caught out....

Donjohnnie said in his post 'he had no idea why i would triumphantly declare im right'. Really????? I quoted a plethora of derogatory comments about me and i was able to prove them as untrue, but you have no idea why i would be happy that i was able to provide proof to defend my character? Really? Really?????? This is the type of person we are dealing with in this 4.

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, I GIVE YOU SLUGANT, DONJOHNNIE, TEFLONDAWG THE FOREFRONT OF THE DEFENDING OF THE THREAD.

AND WE HAVE THEIR SIDEKICK SUPERFAN BOBTHESLOB. WHOS BEST CONTRIBUTION WAS 7/10/26 AT 3.04PM WHERE HE WROTE 'RIGTURD DICKFACE'.

LETS GIVE IT UP FOR THE MAGNIFICENT 4 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!


And I gave you thewaddy...

A guy who is triumphant about the fact he made €7k profit in 8 years of the heydays of online poker over 10 years ago. Thats €883 a year!!! That surely puts you in the pantheon of all time greats.
It reminds me of JohnMir who was playing similar stakes, a bit higher even 10nl, but he thought he was as elite as Linus and other high stakes greats :p

I have to admit it looks better than the sharkscope I got when I looked you up two days ago, I see different stats now as well. I would still be very ashamed of them though.
I know you're excited but lets do the math. During your most proudest poker years you've made €73 a month. I wouldnt call it as you did "made good money" but we all have different standards. I dont think anybody would be proud of these results but its adorable that you are.

At least, €73 a month is what the (now) sharkscope numbers say. You say you were getting staked so obviously you have to pay a % of the winnings + initial investment back. Thats how staking works. So its a bit lower than €73 a month but show me one guy who makes more than that, certainly not any poker professional :p

I have notes though. You talk about $50 HU sng's like it was your thing but your avg stake (10+ years ago) was €7 with avg profit at €0.81.
Furthermore I have to disappoint you in that you "didnt made 100k" if thats the sum of cashes. The profit shows its 7k, thats what you "made".

The spinning star i see is for becoming 20th in 2009 in the category Stud Heads-Up $5-15. Like I said before, a very obscure game, seperated by stake. One decent month & the star never goes away.
Quick question: If the silver star is such a benchmark for greatness, why didnt you get a silver star on any other site. You are thewaddy for god sake, you are the €73 a month (minus staking) making poker genius!

It cant be that full tilt is the only fair room to have ever existed because look at your graph. Things already started to come up with you. The last 5k hands were already almost breakeven (did they already started slowly rigging perhaps:p). In 2008 the field was so poor you did OK, but if other people are getting better and you dont, there is no need for rigging to have results getting worse. Thats what happened. You did OKish in 2008 but you gotta stop living in the past. THATS 18 YEARS AGO.
If you arent as good as you used to, its not because its rigged:
Federer cant beat the top guys anymore. Not because tennis is rigged but he is getting older.
The greatest quizzer even Kevin Ashman just came 44th in the WC of quizzing. Not because quizzing is rigged, but others getting better while he isnt as competitive.
It happens. Im happy for you that your sharkscope numbers are now better but unfortunately it doesnt change squat about your crazy tales of suffering avalanches of 4 outers because of a rigged RNG being ludicrous. I know you wont see it this way though. Admitting you went from a €73 a month winner to a € 7 a month winner because you cant keep up at micros isnt an easy thing to do.

The games has passed you by. You are not alone in this but most can accept it. People dont lower their stakes for fun, they do it because they have to.
I remember the 2008 days it was an absolute field day online, you didnt have to study to crush the games. Of course what you made in a month i did in 30 minutes but "variety is the spice of life". My hourly isnt up to those days as well. Not because the deck has turned on me, because those were the absolute heydays and poker is getting tougher and tougher. You want to blame a rigged deck and here is a bit of irony. You were never any big on numbers. But now you are so happy with sharkscope showing the numbers of thewaddy winning slightly. Well, what do you think a tracker does? It can shows all kinds of numbers, way more than sharkscope. Why are you a big fan of sharkscope numbers but not of tracker numbers? Basically sharkscope is an online tournament tracker without any extra options. Sharkscope cant show the avalanches of 4outers, but trackers can. Since you did a full on 180 on visible numbers maybe you can be persuaded into tracker use after all 😉

But I dont want to step on your day.
Congratulations waddy. The newly published results show that from 2008 to 2011 you did fairly decent at micro/small stakes on full tilt. I salute you.
From 2011 to 2016 you were slightly above breakeven.
After 2016 all the wheels fell off.


by TheWaddy

I would have thought a decent person may offer some kind of apology.....

I'm deeply sorry that you are such a ***** ******** ******* who ****** and *******.


Predictable that it would be another post littered with misquotes, lies and inaccuracies!

Now in the email it clearly says the data is not fully accessible, yet you just quote the small sample they were able to retrieve. Why would you do this, when just exposed for habitual untruths? Why? Its right there that info above, you know people can go back and see it right?

Most of you post relates to this small sample and you are claiming they are figures that represent my whole time playing poker. You even split the amounts up into years.... Why are you doing this to yourself!!!? Its been confirmed its a small sample of the bigger picture on FT.... you also missed out everywhere else i played. You also know that a staked account will not be my own personal account, yet you go down the line that Badbeat would be taking some of the figures shown!

You know you are telling untruths as they enter your head, you just type it!!!! Seriously, get some help with this.

I think im well aware i didnt clear $100,000..... it says i made $100,000 in cashes... its there for anyone to check.... i dont understand what you are trying to do.

Why bother? We can all see what you are doing, its just that we have proof now of what you do. Make things up to fit. Its right there above? Read it. Its right there all what Sharkscope said, all what you said. Sharkscope sayin theres missing info, you just taking the remaining info and taking it as the whole picture. Its what you do.

You state im proud of the results and suggest this is my prime point. Ohhh no my friend, if i wanted to show this off id have done this a longgggg time ago. My prime point in putting this up, was statements from you such as 'what are you not understanding about this data? why are you making up that the numbers were wiped', and numerous aggressive slants were proved wrong. I am certainly proud to be able to quote you so many times and conclusively prove what you do on a daliy basis.

It took much longer than usual but i thought you would maybe lie low for some time. The last thing i expected was an immediate post littered with more purposeful inaccurate rubbish. Im guessing in this day and age, you and BobtheSlob have found just about the only site that allows you to act in this manner.

But as we know, its a hard thing to get change in online poker.


by BobTheSlob

I'm deeply sorry that you are such a ***** ******** ******* who ****** and *******.

I said a decent person......

Not a 16yr old who writes 'rigturd dickface' and little else.


by TheWaddy

I said a decent person......

Not a 16yr old who writes 'rigturd dickface' and little else.

So sorry that you can't appreciate my apology but that's because you're a ******* *******.


You didn't prove anything wrong. there is this word again you dont understand.

So from what I see on your sharkscope on full tilt it says you had an average buy in of 7.76. SO your average buy in is definately micro stakes.

I also have no reason to doubt that you played hungs in razz and omaha h/l and so on.

These games were and are super super easy to beat. So its a smart move playing them.

Most people dont because they prefer a high hourly over a high roi but thats is neither here nor there.

We can also see that you have been making devent profits in the beginning and stagnated.

Nowadays if you are also the waddy on 888 you barely beat micro stakes.

So when poker was much easier you played the easiest games around( ai applaud that. its a smart move) and were beating them at a decent clip but nothing to write home about.

Games got a bit tougher and you havent become a better player so of course you get your ass handed to you now.

So yeah i stick by you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to omaha h/l or poker in general and are a sore loser.

it also seems you didnt opt in on sky poker. Since you brag so much about your stats on full tilt and that weird silver star how come you havent opted in for skypoker.

I am sure it will only further show wahat a crusher you are.


by TheWaddy

You even split the amounts up into years.... Why are you doing this to yourself!!!? Its been confirmed its a small sample of the bigger picture on FT.... you also missed out everywhere else i played

To show you that each year you went in decline, this started around 2010 (16 years ago)
Would you like me to post everywhere you played on sharkscope? because they are unaffected by the full tilt situation and trust me, your full tilt profile is the best one
It all shows that while years passed your results declined and you played lower and lower. It went from a already micro €7 avg buyin to around €1,50 (ouch)
You are basically Al Bundy unable to let an accomplishment from 20 years ago go. But at least he scored four touchdowns in a single game. You made a couple of bucks at the micros, I dont even want to think about the hourly... and you are actually proud of it. Which once again, is just adorable.

by TheWaddy

You also know that a staked account will not be my own personal account

If you played on someone else's account that blatant cheating and you should give "all" the money back
Usually when someone is staked they keep their own account (because playing on other name is illegal mind you) but they are paid an investment upfront and often share the profits 50/50 but other deals can be arranged.
If you played on a different account than your owns you were actually cheating, but you accuse every other room of cheating.. oh the irony

by TheWaddy

it says i made $100,000 in cashes
its there for anyone to check.... i dont understand what you are trying to do.

You said you made 100k and that this couldnt be done at micros, therefore you didnt play micros.
But the avg buyin says micros.
reaching 100k cashes in micro is actually easy to do, you just have to play a lot and dont care about a very low hourly.

by TheWaddy

i wanted to show this off id have done this a longgggg time ago

We know
Thats why its all so sad
You are proud of barely winning sooooo looooongggggg ago
And you cant move on

by TheWaddy

My prime point in putting this up

Oh dear god its even more sad :p

by TheWaddy

I am certainly proud to be able to quote you so many times

Still its getting sadder..
The irony also being that you are the one person who cant properly use the quote button ITT

by TheWaddy

But as we know, its a hard thing to get change in online poker.

Actually poker is quickly changing, always has always will
Thats why the people with the 2008 skill are now playing the micros and complaining 😉

by TheWaddy

Most of you post relates to this small sample and you are claiming they are figures that represent my whole time playing poker.

So you do like that sharkscope is TRACKING your numbers but you wish they were complete
You find it a pity that we cant TRACK your entire sample
You know what you are looking for waddyboy, the thing you avoided your whole life... A ****ING TRACKER !!!!
Than you show us your entire sample and nobody has to guess. You like all the numbers in sharkscope, well a tracker can do just the same, but better and complete!!!!
We would all see the amazing accomplishments you had, it really is the answer to all your problems 😃


by donjonnie

You didn't prove anything wrong. there is this word again you dont understand.So from what I see on your sharkscope on full tilt it says you had an average buy in of 7.76. SO your average buy in is definately micro stakes.I also have no reason to doubt that you played hungs in razz and omaha h/l and so on. These games were and are super super easy to beat. So its a smart move p

Lets consider what you are writing.

I have only ever come on here to talk about the performance of the decks. I have never claimed to be crushing anything, never claimed to make a living.... which you and Slugant are now turning this into because you have been caught spreading untrue statements like 'you are just some dude who is not good at poker and is a sore looser' (one of numerous people who spell loser this way'.)

I simply proved im not a looser.... sorry, loser. Have i not proved this is untrue? Just from the small sample they could recover its £6500 in profit. In my book thats a winner? Or do you want to maintain thats losing? Then i have been open and honest that i play small and have since Black friday. Again you and Slugant then want to make something of the fact that the graph shows this, whereas it just backs my honest review.

You slated me for being a loser both of you, i proved i wasnt. You wanted people to believe i played a total of 78 games there in 8yrs. I proved i didnt. That is all the reason the fulltilt stats were sought for. I mentioned the star as it appeared to be the only thing left in the database, the only thing i could point to. I had no other proof. But then we got some data. So you have now both changed the narrative to save face, but most will be able to see you are both struggling to do that.

So when a site i no longer trusted (shut for over a year 2011-2012) when taken over by the worst of the worst deck providers ever in history, i played micro on it sometimes.... switched to 888 and Sky Poker for main activity. But still small.

So on a graph that has previously been $20-$50 games for 2005 - 2010 (much stats lost as confirmed by sharkscope) what do you think happens to the average stake when years 2010 - 2016, is 6yrs of micro $1-$2????......

Ah yes the average would come right down to your quote of $7.60 wouldnt it.

What would happen to the graph from 2010 -2016.... ahhh yes it is only possible for this to move very slowly up due to micro stakes. Its really simple. Your claim of it 'stagnating' and being a result of me getting now beaten is untrue. It 'stagnated' simply due to switching to micro stakes as i was sure FT would switch to Pokerstars decks, which at the time was the biggest joke amongst the players. There was the term Jokerstars born , still used today.

I didnt opt in to Sharkscope when the new requirement came about, as i was more than glad to hide my stats from other players, but liked to look them up when they sat. They even wanted ID sent to them to opt in! Thats why you cant check players out now, cos they are not opted in. Most prefer it that way, why wouldnt they. I could opt in to show you, but again why do i want to show micro winnings just for Slugant to represent them in the manner that is not the point?

We both know you would do that. Its just what you both are constantly doing. I would show the consistent win rate at Sky, because you asked me to prove i was beating these games.... and then completely change the narrative to 'look at the amount hes made, thats x amount a year, what a liar etc'.... its schoolboy tactics.

Im sorry you both claimed i was 'a losing player', that i 'dont have a clue' and the many, many similar plucked out the air claims.... but the data was just to show you both as habitual untruth merchants and the data proves your claims as wrong.

TELL ME GUYS, WHEN YOU CLAIM TO BE THE POKER PLAYERS YOU ARE, WHY DO YOU THINK ARE YOU MAKING MONEY? AH YES IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING INFERIOR PLAYERS. BUT NOW YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT MY WINNINGS ARE IN FACT INVALID AS I WAS PLAYING INFERIOR PLAYERS. I CAN ONLY THINK YOUR EGO IS AS SUCH, THAT YOU CONVINCE YOURSELVES YOU ARE PLAYING THE VERY BEST PLAYERS AROUND, BUT YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON THEY CAN NOT BEAT.

GUESS WHAT? YOU WIN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GOOD PLAYERS. WHERE DO YOU PLAY? AHHH YES AT THE SITE WHERE ITS THE EASIEST GAMES.

SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN?

YOU GUYS ARE HILARIOUS!


by Slugant

To show you that each year you went in decline, this started around 2010 (16 years ago)Would you like me to post everywhere you played on sharkscope? because they are unaffected by the full tilt situation and trust me, your full tilt profile is the best oneIt all shows that while years passed your results declined and you played lower and lower. It went from a already micro €7

Slugant ladies and gentlemen..... Slugant....

The day massive essays of lies were exposed, most would crawl under a stone for a while.

I am and never have been interested in a tracker, just to please a guy who has just been exposed with the biggest collection of untrue statements known to man.... and continues to come back with even more on the same day. Hes now reduced to mocking about the quote button, in a desperate attempt to save face.

Slugant, you are better than me with the quote button.

Im afraid the rest, you are just digging yourself deeper and deeper, without remorse or empathy. You were caught massively spreading lies. But you cant own it. You do know people can read what you put and the evidence was daming, right? Best form of defence is attack. Never truer.


Literally another JohnMir omg this is ****ing hilarious

ETA: Btw I'm pretty sure Sharkscope is missing a ton of info. I played on both PokerStars and Full Tilt pre Black Friday and neither of my screen names for those sites are on there anymore

And I know for a fact that they didn't track my games properly back then. For example, I played rebuy MTTs on a daily basis and those never tracked correctly

I think it's missing all my other screen names for a lot of (now defunct) sites also. AP, UB, PartyPoker, Paradise, WPEX, probably a half dozen other sites I'm forgetting atm


by TheWaddy

You usually just disappear for months when caught out....

You do realize anyone can just check profiles and see activity, right? I haven't gone anywhere lmao

I asked you a simple question at the beginning of April...

by TeflonDawg

The reason I asked is because you said this:

Instead of simply declining, you're responding with these long, weird diatribes

Would you play if the game was PLO8 and the stakes were .01/.02 or play money?

...you posted on 4/2 and didn't post again until 6/30 which is basically 3 months

But do go on, continuing to make yourself look like an idiot 😀


by TeflonDawg

Literally another JohnMir omg this is ****ing hilariousETA: Btw I'm pretty sure Sharkscope is missing a ton of info. I played on both PokerStars and Full Tilt pre Black Friday and neither of my screen names for those sites are on there anymoreAnd I know for a fact that they didn't track my games properly back then. For example, I played rebuy MTTs on a daily basis and those nev

Do you want to clarify what you mean about another JohnMir? Are you suggesting im like him or are you suggesting its the same disgusting treatment of him?

Slugant is now questioning where my stats are for Betfred, VC Poker, Golden Palace, Paradise, others i cant even remember are not there. At least you can back up the fact that they are not there, because of a multitude of reasons.....

I debate fairly. His tactics have been cruelly exposed today. And then he backed it up with even more.

Then we had the brilliant quote from DonJohnnie that 'you didnt prove anything wrong'........... okkkkk, lets just take just one of Slugants claims;

Slugant said;

Its a matter of record. They tracked every other player perfectly with tons of players with over 20k+ games, none of the data being wiped. Why would sharkscope wipe ONLY yoar games but leave 78. It sounds strange right, but then again, you've been caught lying before. Even when its really obvious and not even possible chronologically.

I do think i proved this wrong. Its just they both switched to other ways of interpreting the info to hide this fact and the numerous other statements.


by TeflonDawg

You do realize anyone can just check profiles and see activity, right? I haven't gone anywhere lmao

I asked you a simple question at the beginning of April...

...you posted on 4/2 and didn't post again until 6/30 which is basically 3 months

But do go on, continuing to make yourself look like an idiot 😀

You are reading all this and single me for being the idiot!

Wow, what on earth is going on here!!!!

I did ask you to what you thought playing Slugant would achieve in relation to a deck being rigged. He wins, it proves what? I win it proves what? I didnt understand the request in any shape or form, for its relevance. Other than it being something for further needle, which quite frankly, ive had my tits full of.....

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