***Official H&F LC Thread***

I'm claiming Evo on the basis of universal health care being on his based list.

people itt believe in God?

CPI attempts to include this:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-does-the-consumer-price-index-account-for-the-cost-of-housing/

Brookings

How does the Consumer Price Index account for the cost of housing?

If you own we pretend that you rent for the all in cost. Most people don't even realize structures depreciate, so good luck getting a normie to understand economics. Substitute goods keep on getting better so there is a decent amount of tech joy getting boiled into CPI, which again is only one measure of inflation, which can mean a myriad of things. I'm not gonna read all that aids, but it seems you are literally only talking about consumer prices as "inflation" and using CPI is fine in this case.

I know quite a few people who think that joining a Church to do hobbies is fine. Honestly as a SBO, not joining a church is a huge leak. If you're the "plumber guy" for a 2000 household church, you're gonna spend 1-3hrs a week on leadgen and make infinite money doing you stand up, sit down, sing at appropriate times.

Do we all understand universal health care is a misnomer? It isn't universal nor does it cover "everything" like we expect in the US? Or is this something you learn when you actually live under universal health care?

God forbid we could like... have people write it down and we could read about it.

While I usually enjoy both sides of the political aisle considering me the most odiously extreme person they'll grudgingly allow into their tent in certain situations, you can keep me separated into the right leaning centrist pansy bucket on this one.

I'm not sure that's how any of this works.

lol montecoco rejecting the shitlibs.

Wait till you hear how population registries and national ID card make it effortless to deport illegals and give poor people free **** like houses and money.

In all seriousness I tried to explain US voting to my wife. (We live in a country with a modified dHondt system. Also known as the Jeffersonian system to non-Euro****s.) Trying to explain how EC votes are FPTP except in Maine/Nebraska since each state makes up their own rules was.... amusing.

Is that a shy Trump voter we see?

Everyone posting is either watching with popcorn or getting a extra intellectual workout.
I can see you guys would be great to work out with in a gym. One more lift you weakling!

30 years ago If I was American, I likely would have been a Democrat.
Although I leaned democrat in the 90's I was offended that the other side derided Democrats as uneducated or dumb; as some people would claim. I believed that the Democrats were for the underdog working class. I was in that working class.
Back then, because of wars that the US had boots on the ground, I felt that the Republicans were ruled by an elite group (Military Industrial Complex (MIC)/ others also, but not so obvious)
The biggest hawk being Dick Cheney.
Now I have more money, I lean right and am still offended that people (today) think that if you are dumb, you vote for Republicans.

The big flip as I see it is that the MIC, Big Pharma (and other elite donor classes) , swapped sides from Republican to Democrat.
And because of that, 30 years later, Dick and daughter Liz Cheney flipped to the Democrat side.

This seems obvious since the Democrats outspent the Republicans by over 1B. (Where Orange guy got the popular vote, so assuming individuals donated a similar modest amount to their candidate, then most of those extra funds came from 'big corporate donors')

The Democratic Party has long been regarded as the party of the “common man” or “working class” and the Republican Party the party of “big business” and the wealthy. Indeed, one political science textbook from 1998 says of the parties’ coalitions: “lower-status people, those with less education, those with low incomes, recently immigration ethnic groups, racial minorities, and Catholics are more likely to vote Democratic. Higher status people, the college-educated, those with high incomes, whites of northern European stock, and Protestants are more likely to vote Republican.”

https://manhattan.institute/article/the-rise-of-college-educated-democrats

Manhattan Institute

The Rise of College-Educated Democrats

If you were educated in the 90's you voted Republican. If you are educated in the 2020's you vote Democrat.
To say uneducated people vote Republican is similar to saying Short people vote Democrat or people that lift heavy vote Republican.

Voting for one party happens, not because you are more educated or short, but because the party pushes policies that give or promise something for that subset of people. The two I mentioned before ...College educated women want student loan forgiveness and bodily autonomy. I am sure there are a lot more that align with them, but those are easy ones to point out.
Just My 2c opinion.

I can’t read the full wall of text but in lol Straya at least the left leaning party has gone from being an economic focus ‘help the poor and lower income people’ to being a ‘values’ party targeting the inner city lefties.

Melk is p much this vibe. Kinda smart, kinda dumb. But will 100% belabor some asinine point he knows very little about into the ****ing depths of the earth.

Okay. I don't think that describes any political party and probably, aside from Melk, most accurately describes me.

As an aside, I know a single individual who took a plea for pedo **** and got investigated for pizza. He's a hardcore right wing ****o. Maybe them stereotypes aren't all accurate.

I think before you "attempt" to educate anyone, you need to learn to read. I mean that seriously. Even if we set aside the whole changing what you are saying from post to post and the whole never posting actual facts (except one which supports what I said), your main problem is that you simply can't understand really basic English.

Half of your posts have been coming at me like I'm Harris's campaign manager. You've completely missed the point more times than I thought was possible. I even tried to prove the one thing I'm saying by a completely different method. You still didn't get it. I really think you have it in you, though. Just read this part again a couple of times and maybe it will sink in:

See, this is what happens when you don't read the text walls.

Here was an earlier exchange I had with big brain over a few posts (I'm paraphrasing because I can't be arsed up to go back and quote, but I guess if you really need it, I can do it)

Melk: So what's Orange Man's plan to deport millions
Rich: Oh, don't worry, Homan has a plan

Then a bit later:

Rich: I haven't seen a plan for school security from Biden/Harris. Obviously they don't give a ****, if they don't have a plan. Where the **** is their plan?

So, my post was a reference to his highly selective need to see a plan. For Dems, it's "I need to see a detailed plan. Now". For Orange Man it's "I'm sure he has one and it will be great!"

BTW, this was one of many tangents that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

Hope that helps!

*If you're confused about "Biden/Harris", that was my shorthand for Biden or Harris (i.e. he'd never seen a plan from either Biden or Harris).

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CPI attempts to include this:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-does-the-consumer-price-index-account-for-the-cost-of-housing/

Brookings

How does the Consumer Price Index account for the cost of housing?

If you own we pretend that you rent for the all in cost. Most people don't even realize structures depreciate, so good luck getting a normie to understand economics. Sub

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Man, you really need to read the text walls.

Yes, I said, CPI is fine. Rich said, LOL CPI. What matters is basically people's recollection of what they paid for things including "housing". I asked if there is some other measure if he would prefer over CPI. Like a lot of things, I never got a response to that.

Also neither of us was limiting to just consumer prices, so first bolded doesn't apply.

So if I am reading things correctly you guys are all right wingers now (except Melk of course) and I if I want to be edgy I have to veer left, correct?

Obviously not literally everyone, but how is this news to you? Did you never wonder why you generally only ate the banhammer over in politards, but here you were fine (I think...not counting if a politard mod came over here and banned you. If I wrong about that, then never mind).

Always thought they were extremely heavy with the banhammer. I always argued against your bans when they came up. It wasn't really about you, though. I'd have an extremely high threshold to ban anyone, and despite many terrible posts, you were never even close, imo.

I just want whatever definition gets gigachad Emoken on my team.

I do think that most people understand that the "universal" part isn't meant to be taken literally. There are plenty of countries which would appear on a list of countries with "UHC", but everyone gets the same, extremely shitty health care. Presumably Emoken wasn't referring to that kind of UHC for his based utopia.

You can definitely adjust which CPI you use to get a more accurate calc for the folks you're commonly discussing which I would assume to be rural/suburban flyover folks who would have outsized exposure to food/fuel compared to a comparable urban basket. (Housing would also be relatively much cheaper.)

I'm still not going back to read a tedious and pedantic discussion on politards.

You would be surprised when folks learn that bizarre end of life care in the US that accounts from an obscene % of the overall healthcare burden doesn't actually occur in the rest of the world. You just get put in palliative care and when you go you go. You don't get to keep meemaw on the machines for an extra week for .

Also, sending people to foreign countries for low probability surgeries doesn't really occur. You either come up with 50-500k or you die.

And prob the most bizarre thing is that most places connect UHC to employment, which makes no sense since if you get sick... not being able to work seems like one of the first things that happens.

Regardless, poor people need some baseline of care along with free emergency services.

That is the type of response he could have given, but that would have required him to walk back his initial rejection of CPI that he began with.

That's obviously the correct play, but it's going to be a problem if trying to comment on said discussion.

True. Same is true at beginning of life with infants who have zero chance of anything resembling a normal life. We're really good at keeping humans technically alive.

Welcome to the club, comrade!

Fack, we lost Monte! He was our MVP.

Wait, there are rules?

If you lift heavier you tend to vote for Trump. If you want to be edgy and irritating in the same way people say dumb people vote for Trump, you can say weaklings vote for Kamala.

I am a member of one of those countries. I had a severe skin reaction last year. I got to see my GP pretty quickly and he put me on some Steroid.. which caused me to gain 25 lbs. I was put on a waiting list to see a dermatologist. After 6 months, I finally got to see him and he switched me to a different med. It has taken me over a year to lose 20 lbs. and I am still working on the last 5 or 10 lbs. If your health care issue is not life threatening but only causes pain/suffering you tend to wait a long time to get treated. Cost = maybe $200-$300 for creams and meds.

Quality 8/10. Cost 8/10 Speed of service 2/10.

Well, that's obviously true here in H&F. I don't know what Dunyain is up to these day but he was quite strong also.

It's unfortunate that reality is irritating to you. I'm actually not sure about that part if we are talking about America at large. Nobody even lifts. I think a better way of making the point you are trying to make would be if you are strong like bull, then you tend to vote for Trump. I suspect that is probably true.

Sorry that happened. Two out of 3 ain't terrible. Quick, cheap, and good is difficult to attain.

The point i was making College Educated-> Smart->vote for Kamala
Men -> lift heavier than women -> vote Trump

the edgy version..
(Not College Educated ->) dumb -> vote Trump
(Women -> don't lift - >) weakling-> vote Kamala

For the insulting version, skip the part in brackets.

Obviously we all want to support our chosen flavor of country along with having a strong social support network. So some grouping of nationalism mixed with socialism. National socialism if you will. If only there was a catchy abbreviation for this.

Biden and Harris have been in office for almost a complete term. If they had a school security plan, we'd know by now. They don't. All they do it post about how we should ban some guns every time there's a school shooting. And, FWIW, when someone is killed by an illegal, there are no posts from those two about it. Biden and Harris recognize only deaths that align with their political aims.

Trump, OTOH, has yet to start his second term. The fact that he has Homan in place and has discussed specifics about border security puts them well ahead of where Joe and Kamala are on school security.

You can't be that obtuse. You're clearly just trying to argue.

As an H&F mod, I can share with you that it doesn't work that way. We green mods aren't allowed to ban posters for content in forums we don't moderate (aside from spammers). We use the report function, same as everyone else.