***Official H&F LC Thread***
A valid strategy for getting ripped imo.
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Not unless you're a flip or Lao or something. Sorry.
NotThremPOC,
I appreciate your concern, but I've finally made peace with KC bullying me for being a libcuck; I think he appreciates that I squat down six inches when reading his posts to really get on his level, so there's give and take on both sides.
There hasn't been deflation. That is very difficult to achieve without other bad things happening economically.
I mean... is it? I'd say no. I think this is a common misconception of keynesian propaganda taught in schools. Deflation is the very natural path of increases in productivity due to technological growth. If the cost of production keeps falling, so will prices... But it increases the value of debt, so governments want you to think its some kind of disaster, but it'd actually heavily disincentivize out of control deficit spending by both parties if we lived in a more deflationary environment.
Jeff Booth The Price of Tomorrow: Why Deflation is the Key to an Abundant Future was a great and short read just over 100pgs.
Melk argues that current and future inflation are bad, but prior price increases must be protected at all costs. The left's border security plan seems similar, where they claim to support a strong border to stop people from crossing illegally, while also opposing deporting those who made it in.
Okay so when you say POC please stop insulting people like myself and just say "**** skin".
Thanks!
NotThremPOC,
I appreciate your concern, but I've finally made peace with KC bullying me for being a libcuck; I think he appreciates that I squat down six inches when reading his posts to really get on his level, so there's give and take on both sides.
I think you have a decent amount of white guilt and are semi-lib cuck, but perhaps can be salvaged.
Then again I'm big into a bunch of shitlib ideologies like housing first, nationalized healthcare, etc. Perhaps if we viewed these as "Are these good for poor people without being super bad for rich people?" maybe we'd be better off.
I mean... is it? I'd say no. I think this is a common misconception of keynesian propaganda taught in schools. Deflation is the very natural path of increases in productivity due to technological growth. If the cost of production keeps falling, so will prices... But it increases the value of debt, s
So I actually have a degree in this! In a Keynesian system if supply or velocity falls enough, then you functionally have reduced money supply. So yeah....
One point to note is that if inflation is due to "supply chain issues" those should be transient.
But we all know how that works.
Melk argues that current and future inflation are bad, but prior price increases must be protected at all costs. The left's border security plan seems similar, where they claim to support a strong border to stop people from crossing illegally, while also opposing deporting those who made it in.
He's a ****ing child on this subject. Why bother?
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Then again I'm big into a bunch of shitlib ideologies like housing first, nationalized healthcare, etc. Perhaps if we viewed these as "Are these good for poor people without being super bad for rich people?" maybe we'd be better off.
Ultimately I think a lot of people are really concerned about poverty and inequality on the "right", but we just disagree with people on the left about the best way to address it. "Teach a man to fish vs take a fish from somebody else who has a lot and give it to him".
Ultimately I think a lot of people are really concerned about poverty and inequality on the "right", but we just disagree with people on the left about the best way to address it. "Teach a man to fish vs take a fish from somebody else who has a lot and give it to him".
The largest city I've ever lived in is ~425k people. We can quibble on whether this is an urban or rural divide, but in reality its both. There are differing ways of life.
I've advised some RE development projects (I do this professionally) that focus on newfag ideologies. My biggest issue is just hating everyone who espouses these things due to deep hypocrisy. If you wanna have 8 kids, k; but don't sweat me on carbon footprint when you fly your soccer team around the the plant "to see the family" every year.
No, you don't care about "facts", stop fooling yourself. Almost nobody does. You care about "data", and properly selected data. Crime data itself is fairly unreliable outside of murder for a myriad of reasons (no one in SF bothers to report car break-ins anymore, eg).
I actually really do. Not fooling myself. I've been Melking around here for over a decade on every topic under the sun.
It's also pretty foolish to assume a populace will ignore 3 bad years because things are getting back near baseline in an election year.
That's a different issue. What I'm talking about is people not even knowing that things are getting better now.
I'm fairly OK with a Hindu nation ruling as one is all I'm saying. It's fairly illustrative you made no mention of concerns for Indian Christians or Sikhs.
Nah, it's illustrative that you don't know what you're talking about. But you implied that was the case from the outset, so I like the self awareness.
The reason I mentioned Muslims is because Modi has a huge hard on for facking Muslims specifically. I'm also pretty sure you would know this. The most egregious example is the recent Citizenship Amendment Bill. It was basically for a kind of amnesty pathway to get Indian citizenship as long as you are not a member of one religious group. Wanna guess which one:
Now there will be an exception for members of six religious minority communities - Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi and Christian - if they can prove that they are from Pakistan, Afghanistan or Bangladesh. They will only have to live or work in India for six years to be eligible for citizenship by naturalisation, the process by which a non-citizen acquires the citizenship or nationality of that country.
Source:
There is also other shiet targeting Muslim specifically which I can dig you up some info on, if you are interested. Modi is just not going after those other religious groups in the same way.
Having said that, I do think that it would be bad for all of those other religious groups as well.
I'm very opposed any nation ruling based on any religion. Please don't tell me you would be cool with the US becoming some sort of Christian Nationalist state.
I mean... is it? I'd say no. I think this is a common misconception of keynesian propaganda taught in schools. Deflation is the very natural path of increases in productivity due to technological growth. If the cost of production keeps falling, so will prices...
I think that in real terms, prices of certain things will fall due to technology/productivity as you say. In nominal terms, the price will often still be higher.
Has there been a period of time (lets say a few years, not month to month stuff) in the US in your lifetime where there had been significant economic growth coupled with deflation?
You think CPI will go down during Trump?
Melk argues that current and future inflation are bad, but prior price increases must be protected at all costs. .
FFS man, how bad at reading are you. I, of course, like everything you try to paraphrase said nothing of the sort. I said execessive inflation is bad. I also said that a small amount of inflation generally accompanies periods of prosperity.
If you can get deflation and economic growth concurrently, that would be awesome. Seems unlikely. What's Orange Man's plan for that by the way, seeing as how have a real need to see Biden/Harris plans on a variety of things.
FFS man, how bad at reading are you. I, of course, like everything you try to paraphrase said nothing of the sort. I said execessive inflation is bad. I also said that a small amount of inflation generally accompanies periods of prosperity.
If you can get deflation and economic growth concurrent
When you say a "Biden/harris" plan, what do you actually mean, since that is a nonsense statement.
FFS man, how bad at reading are you. I, of course, like everything you try to paraphrase said nothing of the sort. I said execessive inflation is bad. I also said that a small amount of inflation generally accompanies periods of prosperity.
Yeah, I'll just go ahead and take the W now for this entire discussion. Thanks for playing though.
OK, I'm back. Let's get the rest of that post.
But, back to the point of your initial graphic. The recent reduction in border crossings is not the salient data point, really. It's just a political talking point.
I don't know why you keep doing this over and over again. This has nothing to do with my point. All I was saying is that people who are dumber and less informed tend to vote for Trump more. These people can be pissed off about immigration. It doesn't change the fact that they are unaware of reality.
And, as I said, it shows that Biden could have done something years ago and didn't, which works against him and Kamala. The actual point? The total number of illegals who crossed. People who voted on that basis are not misinformed. They've paid plenty of attention to how we've been impacted by the flood of illegals. Too bad you lack the critical thinking skills to see that.
Too bad you can't read. As I've told you numerous times, my arguments have nothing to do with anyone's basis for voting. Why do you do this?
Same for inflation in that Biden wants credit because prices are going up less rapidly than they were before. LOL at thinking people are misinformed on how much they spend.
I don't care about credit for Biden or whether people are mad at him for high prices. All irrelevant. For the zillionth time, it is irrelevant to my point. It's one thing to think prices are too high. It's another thing to not know that the rate of inflation is going down. People who don't know that, tend to vote Trump. You can keep theorizing why. It has zero to do with what I'm saying.
And, same for crime. You keep crying about cherry-picked data sets, as if legacy media don't parrot the Democrat talking points Biden sends them in the form of White House press releases. But, there are also plenty of
So, I read the article. I hope you did too, but who are we kidding. You're actually comparing official statistics from the FBI, so a survey which asks people if they've been a victim of a crime. Awesome.
Yeah, I get that plenty of crimes go unreported, but there really should be a correlation between reported and unreported crime. And historically both data sets mostly point the same way (up or down). So which should we believe when they're at odds with one another?
One of the problems with this approach was mentioned in the very article that you linked:
it might "also capture events that donÂ’t rise to the level of a crime."
Basically if you ask people if they've been a victim of a crime and they think they were, even if it was not a crime, then it counts. Seems like a flaw.
The other problem with is that it doesn't count crimes in the year they occurred. It goes based on the prior six months of when they were asked, this probably confounds things, which is significant when this data is in a different direction from FBI stats (most years they both point the same way.
So sure if you want to go by stats that aren't officially reported crimes, can include lots of stuff that may not be crime and doesn't necessarily have to have occurred in the year in question, then have at it. These all seem like pretty obvious flaws.
But lets just say that it's correct. It still doesn't explain the graphic I posted. Remember the question as if violent crime was "at or near all time highs". Even using the data from the exact survey you used, that is plainly WRONG. It's not even debatable. I just picked 1993 since that is how far back the data set goes, but you can amuse yourself and pick another year. Doesn't matter.
As you can plainly see, that's falso. So, sure, use your self-reported, unofficial data. It doesn't change a thing.
This is why actually posting your sources is important.
We also see blue cities and states clearly not stopping shoplifting and other crimes. Telling people not to believe what they see is such a leftist thing to say. You also sound foolish saying California is tougher on shoplifting than Texas and other red states.
Dude, just post some actual facts, and then we can talk. Why do you keep posting feels? Also why do you feel it's OK to be able to steal so much more stuff in TX than CA before you can get charged with a felony? Seems like you completely ignore facets of TX law that are undeniably more lax. I wonder why that is.
The voters sure didn't buy it.
Cool. Irrelevant to the underlying point, but sure.
The people who don't believe the stock market is close to an all-time high? They clearly aren't investors, so it's not an important issue to them. It's not misinformation...they could easily check the market if they cared to. Besides, it's only +9 Trump, when the general population was almost +2 Trump. That may not even be a statistically significant difference.
It may not be. +9 vs +2 is kind of a big difference though. I think with a large enough sample it almost certainly is. It doesn't matter if it is not important to them or not. It just shows they are less informed people. Is that bad? Maybe, may be not. Honestly, you probably do better as an investor if you never even look. Again, that is irrelevant to my point.
But, keep living in fantasy land, where you believe everyone was just misinformed.
Not everyone else. You really have a hard time understanding words, don't you? Again, the point is if we take people who are dumber and poorly informed, they are more likely to vote Trump. That all I'm saying.
Melk if you rule over the only Hindu nation in the world next to a giant Muslim nation that hates you and you don't have any safeguards in place against them harming your interests, you just aren't ready for life after footy pajamas.
And while I'm no Christian Nationalist, I certainly know how things might shake out if the US ever becomes something like 20+% Muslim, or Hindu.. I'll take my chances with the Christ bros.
Anyway regarding data, this is all that matters:
If your conclusion is they're all data illiterate idiots, then stop thinking more data will fix it. You need a better strategy. If America is too sexist to elect a female president... maybe stop running them?
If you conclude they're too stupid to vote and democracy is a mistake... we may find some common ground.
Eta: the biggest red shift states were NY, NJ, and MA.
Yeah, I'll just go ahead and take the W now for this entire discussion. Thanks for playing though.
Yeah, you know you're doing great when you have say "see, I'm winning" over and over again.
My absolute favorite example of the winning was:
Rich Muny: CPI doesn't include housing costs
Melk: Yes it does
Rich Muny: CPI doesn't include "owned housing" costs.
Melk: Sure, but that's not what you said. It includes rent which is a housing costs
Rich Muny: Ha, Ha. I slow-rolled you. I am very smart! I win.
chef's kiss. That was fantastic.
The "I deal in facts" followed and preceded by zero linked facts was a strong second. Well you finally linked one source eventually. Good effort, but it proved my point. Explained in my last post above.
All I was saying is that people who are dumber and less informed tend to vote for Trump more. These people can be pissed off about immigration. It doesn't change the fact that they are unaware of reality.
It's too late for all of that. I already took the W. But, again, you're missing the point I keep telling you. All four points were Kamala campaign talking points. Kamala supporters heard those points regularly on MSNBC and read them in emails from Kamala, ActBlue, etc. LOL at believing libs are more informed overall just because they were more exposed to Kamala's campaign positions.
Melk if you rule over the only Hindu nation in the world next to a giant Muslim nation that hates you and you don't have any safeguards in place against them harming your interests, you just aren't ready for life after footy pajamas.
Come on, man. This is basically why we interned the Japanese in WW2.
There are nearly 200 million Muslims in India already.
I'm not against safeguards, but just discriminating against Muslims is lazy. That specific law was just one example. It's still lazy and wrong. But it doesn't end there. Things like looking the other way and not prosecuting when Muslims get lynched is not "a safeguard". Modi and most of the BJP is perfectly fine with shiet like that. FFS, I hope that you're just ignorant and aren't consciously co-signing all of that.
And while I'm no Christian Nationalist,
Thank PLOKJ
I certainly know how things might shake out if the US ever becomes something like 20+% Muslim, or Hindu.. I'll take my chances with the Christ bros.
They're all bad outcomes. It's like choosing between a kick in the balls and a punch in the dick.
Anyway regarding data, this is all that matters:
If your conclusion is they're all data illiterate idiots,
NO NO NO NO NO. I didn't say that. I explained this to Rich Muny like 10 times. I guess I can't blame you for not reading those giant text walls. Here's is an oversimplification (it's not exactly it, but it's close-ish and I'm only doing it to make it easier for you)
1. If you vote Trump, then you are dumb
2. If you are dumb, then you vote Trump
These are two different things. What I am saying is more or less the second (not exactly, though, and I'm sure that despite the disclaimer someone will quote it out of context; the main difference is that I'm arguing correlation not causation), which is different from the first.
then stop thinking more data will fix it.
I don't think that. And all of my giant text walls have nothing to do with "fixing it".
you need a better strategy. If America is too sexist to elect a female president... maybe stop running them?
I've posted that about 20 times over in New Politardia, I can link you to a post if you don't believe me. However, that's irrelevant to the point I've been discussing here.
If you conclude they're too stupid to vote and democracy is a mistake... we may find some common ground.
Maybe we can. I can probably come up with a position adjacent to that.
Eta: the biggest red shift states were NY, NJ, and MA.
Yes, that's true. Kamala was not a good candidate. Again irrelevant to my point.
LOL. Maybe if you keep saying it enough it will happen for you!
But, again, you're missing the point I keep telling you. All four points were Kamala campaign talking points. Kamala supporters heard those points regularly on MSNBC and read them in emails from Kamala, ActBlue, etc. LOL at believing libs are more informed overall just because they were more exposed to Kamala's campaign positions.
Add that to the list of things I never said. The "why" is irrelevant to my argument as I've told you many, many, times.
Reading, how does it work?
Nevermind I'm a Christian Nationalist now.
I actually really do. Not fooling myself. I've been Melking around here for over a decade on every topic under the sun.
That's a different issue. What I'm talking about is people not even knowing that things are getting better now.
Nah, it's illustrative that you don't know what you're talking a
I am not even Christian and I think a Christian ethnostate with no world policing, universal health care, and sane immigration policy would be based AF.
The modern left from 2014 onward has basically created a secular religion based on victimhood rankings and fake inclusivity. Christianity mogs it in terms of its adherents being happy well adjusted people.
Looks like we need to settle this in the gym. Left vs Right. Let's see right side is Muny, Evo, kidcolin, and maybe their weak link is right leaning thremp.
But wait left is melkerson, montecore, and the SALTS guy?!!!!
Never mind. Left just like kamala loses, we move on.
I will leave you with a video of our future secretary of education.
Broken YouTube LinkI am not even Christian and I think a Christian ethnostate with no world policing, universal health care, and sane immigration policy would be based AF.
How about all of that without the ethnostate part? Even more based?
Actually, I looked up that other thing we were discussing. Need to check again to confirm, but so far it looks like in this century there have only been two periods of deflation 2007-09 (great recession) and 2015 where CPI was down 0.1% (so, basically nothing). That's all we've got for deflation. It looks like only those two instances even if we go significantly farther back.
