Pre flop check up posts.

if you were to make a range of all the hands you continue with in this spot I guarantee kjo would be nowhere near the cutoff point. 57o seems reasonable to continue with for instance.

I might call with K2o tbh.

pretty close to any two cards at that point, obv call KJo.

youre probably dominated but who cares its not like youll be piling in bets with one pair

This seems backwards to me. There are far more implied odds for weak hands in NL.

I have never called 3 bets cold in LHE (unless I'm forgetting a brain fart).

If a hand is worth 3 bets, it's worth 4, and that is for premium hands only. The worst hand I've ever capped was 99, and that was a mistake.

I'm playing to pay my bills, not to have fun. If you're playing to have fun, play any way you like. But I assume people aren't posting here to find out how to have more fun.

You are a recreational player and you got lucky. Nothing wrong with that; if there weren't players like you, there would be no games. But it's not a winning play, and it's not close.

Sure, definitely call. But don't get that excited about flopping one pair.

Yea, I posted because the EP raise by a 'standard' 4/8 players means JJ+, maybe AK, and with some of the population only KK+, so I was mucking in the past due to domination, but getting 11:1 I can hope for 2P or better(and as rob and NOM said, not get too excited when a pair flops)

I have realized the last few months how overly tight I am in certain spots, you guys are helping me immensely. Yesterday at 8/16 I called 75o to a raise and 4 callers in BB. Old me would have mucked without a thought.

an open EP, call, 3! by CO, fold to you in SB with with AQo--cap or fold? Had this happen yesterday- I cc'd. BB cc'd, all calls.

In my usual game I’m almost always folding although there are a very few crazy raisers who I’d cap against. AQs is an easy cap.

thus i recommended folding if you are paying your bills with LHE, because for psychological reasons you will most likely beat yourself up and play worse going forward if you make what you think is too loose of a call and then whiff. so playing loose psychologically works against you.

if you are playing for fun, then in my experience its better to be looser, because it keeps me involved in the game, and when im involved in the game, my reads are better, i pay more attention to hands im not in, and i play more creatively instead of robotically.

in my experience playing NL this is not true except for small pocket pairs against a few certain opponents. i win in NL by making people fold not call, mostly by 3betting pf in position

Easy fold.

They are not helping you, this was a bad call.

If you can win in NL by making people fold, your hand strength means even less. Why would you be looking for reasons to fold yourself?

What hands are you folding closing the action getting 11-1? I’m folding some but not many and would call 75o without a thought.

Also, wouldn’t you be calling more hands like this at 8-16 vs. 4-8 because of rake factors?

youd have to do a lot of work to prove to me that folding in this spot wins more than losing .5 big bets instantly

you have pure odds to call this even if you didnt have to post the big blind. with your having to post the big blind calling here is a no-brainer because theres no way that calling here loses more than throwing away a small bet.

Folding never wins money, it loses less money than playing would.

You're going to have to do a lot of work to prove to me that calling here is profitable when it's something every poker book tells you to fold and every pro and good winning player I've ever seen folds there.

This is one of the worst starting hands. I'm folding lots of hands here, including this one, without a thought.

Sure, rake matters and it's still very high in 8/16. But I would fold this even in games with no rake.

a simply equity calculation is all you need to justify calling. no way you dont have at least 8% equity, and you have sufficient equity vs any configuration. you also have to post dead money as the big blind.

devils advocate: if the casino threw in a c-note in the pot would you still fold?

how much has to be in there to justify a lottery ticket?

lets say theres a lotto tax that only you have to pay, that goes into the main pot. and then to actually play the lottery you have to put in more. would you play the lottery getting 10000:1 if there was a 99.90% chance you whiff?

smitty is one of the best players in this forum

Now that I have started an argument, curious what a solver says here, knowing a solver is not the final authority by any means. Mad respect for all opinions, we seem to argue about close decisions, but rob thinks this is not even close, which is my old feeling with 75o. The odds/math seems to argue for a call, but position, RIO, equity realization, among other considerations do come into play. Look at me using big poker words pretending to be an expert.

At 11:1 I think it is a mistake to fold 75o (though I suspect it’s close). There is no way that your hot/cold equity will be less than 9% or whatever it takes to justify a call based on immediate odds. You will also be able to fold a lot of flops and will occasionally hit flops that play themselves (OESD, 2 pair+, etc.). The tough spots are going to come when you flop one pair or a gutshot draw. Playing these spots is more of an art than a science but you generally want to avoid bloating the pot out of position and try to realize your equity as cheaply as possible.

Is looking in the mirror the only time you see a "good winning player?"

you'll overrealize your equity post-flop being in pretty good relative position to the PFR. you get to see how everyone else acts after the PFR bets or checks. you're also closing the action.

With a raise and four calls and I’m in the BB I’m calling with any two suited cards and most two gappers and some three gappers and I don’t think it’s even close.