2023-2024 NC/LC THREAD
once more do we meet in this place!
Oh, I can't imagine anyone doing that. I figured not adding to your bankroll meant trying to keep it the same as where it started. So if you lost $1000, you wouldn't spend the first $1000 you earned after that.
Yeah, that one's a bit fuzzier. Theoretically, it's still true that any capped bankroll has a 100% RoR, but if you're well financed enough and continue playing with a +EV, doubt you'll live long enough to go broke. Large numbers I guess. Still, your background is more a 'moved from corporate to poker and it worked out' type of story. Of course I highly respect that, although I can't relate to it. Before poker only real incomes I had were flipping burgers and running short cons like 'follow the lady' in lower manhattan. I think building a bankroll from almost nothing and the high risk entailed in doing it left me with a real appreciation for RoR. Although I probably would've gotten better quicker if I had a good career swap cause I'd never have to overcome playing with scared money. Wtv, success is success. Poker ain't so easy as it used to be, so any long term winning is an achievement.
Actually my experience was I got laid off from a job that I didn't like that much anyway and didn't pay well or have good benefits. I was already making more money playing poker than at my previous job, so I just started doing that more.
My invested money came from selling a house that I owned for 17 years and made a very nice profit from. I have used a lot of the income from that but still have the principal. Plus I have always been pretty frugal and don't have expensive tastes in anything.
Always refreshing to hear somebody has a background outside from that stupid poker boom cliche so any millennials share. You know the whole 'i saw moneymaker win in 2003, then in college deposited $50 on PP a few times and blah blah blah. ' obviously I have nothing against that meme (nothing wrong with being born in the right place and time to just effortlessly print money) but it's so common I'm sick of hearing it. Its like all the musicians who learned guitar after seeing Marty mcfly play johnny b. Goode in back to the future. All around cliche
I'm definitely too old to be a millennial, and I did play some online but never made any serious money from it. I enjoyed playing live more.
I did catch the poker bug by watching the 2003 WSOP, but I learned how to play well from reading books and practicing in a 1/2 LHE game where a few others took the game seriously and I learned to play with little risk among people with different levels of skill and different reasons to play.
I never really did any gambling before that, but I always loved playing games and was always good at most of them.
I think most good poker players are likely pretty good at strat games in general. I'm an above average (but by no means great) chess player, and alot of the better players in my 40/80 game are also pretty good at chess. I know some poker players who had a background on magic the gathering or scrabble. I think if you teach a poker expert gin rummy, they will very quickly excell at it. Backgammon and poker has some crossover too.
I think there's a common element that strat games share (especially ones with mixed skill/chance). If I had to play Scrabble against one of two unknowns and the only info I had was that one was a winning poker player, if I was playing for money, I'd chose the non poker playing opponent. Of course without betting, I'd chose the poker player since I think I he's likely to be better at Scrabble and if there's no bet, I'd want a challenge as a chance to get better at Scrabble. Ok weirdly long tangent. Tldr; strat games are cool. All of them.
I think of the work it would take for me to get halfway decent at Scrabble, and I think, "no, that's not for me." I mean, I could easily learn the twos, but beyond that it would be a grind of rote memorization. Likewise for chess. And for golf (not a strategy game, that one that calls for lots and lots of practice on, e.g., one's swing, putting, and so on).
I've been willing to put the work into poker because even the beginning effort provided immediate return, long before I was any good at it.
You're damn right about Scrabble. I'm pretty well read and have an above average vocabulary, so I thought that alone would be an edge. My first and only attempt at playing competitive Scrabble showed how wrong I was. I got my ass handed to me by people who probably have a generally lower vocab then I do. They've just memorized words that are particularly useful for Scrabble.
I liked passing Scrabble as a kid, but as an adult about the only people I have met who like to play it are those who once played competitively and memorized all those ridiculous words.
That seems not in the spirit of the game and ruins the fun IMO. I have a better vocabulary than 99% of people who haven't done that. Used to do lots of crossword puzzles and tutored for the SAT. If I don't know a word, then it's almost certainly too obscure to be one allowed to use. I would only play now if the regulation dictionary was a fairly small one without bizarre 2 letter words that are never used irl.
Scrabble experts especially bug me with archaic words. Alot of them play words that nobody's used in conversation for hundreds of years, and the only people in the world who know them are English professors and Scrabble experts.
Qat.
Yeah, **** scrabble.
Curse words don't play bro, you just forfeited your turn.
za is short for pizza!
Where did you find that chart?
And what does "mm" mean, apart from as an abbreviation? Pretty sure those can't be used.
Millimeters. You can use abbreviations for metric units and other measurements.
mm
n 1: a metric unit of length equal to one thousandth of a meter
[syn: {millimeter}, {millimetre}, {mm}]
It appears in the dictionary itself (unlike 'Mr. ' and 'Etc')
Idk if it was always allowed, difficulty keeping track of the rules is half of why I gave up Scrabble in the first place.
Hope mongidig picks up Scrabble so he can stop tilting me by using "peal" in lieu of "peel" in every post.
Fwiw, memory isn't that important in chess until the master level when opening theory starts to really matter. As far as tactics, there are maybe 20 common patterns that you need to know which is doable for anyone. As far as positional play, there are maybe 20 concepts that you need to learn to apply at the table. Solve a bunch of chess puzzles for the tactics and read a good middlegame book for the positional play and you're good to go.
Endgames require some memorization for sure, but chess games tend to be very one-sided at the club level... very few balanced endgame grinds. And when it happens, your opponent will be just as clueless as you.
And as far as openings, you can just play stuff that isn't very common and is hard to screw up. Hikaru has broken 3000 on chess.com countless times with intentionally terrible openings like the bongcloud... 1. e4 and 2. Ke2.
Memorizing openings is good, but it's better to me prize a few and seriously study them then to rote memorize the first few moves of all of them without seriously understanding them. The openly openings I use are e4 and byrds, Roy Lopez, and QGD and they're good enough for me. Also endgame study isn't all that necessary imo because so much of the time somebody resigns before the endgame.
Thats when I lost interest in chess, when I was losing too much positional value in the opening that my superior skill couldn't make up for in the mid game. I also peaked compared to my peers at like 3rd grade, which is when the family that was running the chess club at my school moved to a different city.
I was still good enough to be top 5-10 or so in my grade level in the state through middle school with very little study, but didn't really pick it up again until high school and the internet and playing on pogo before getting really into yahoo chess and their ladders. My cable internet was great for dominating 1/0 games.
Haha, I forgot about the dial-up vs. cable massacres online in the old days. I am awful at fast time controls. Yet for some reason, I am a beast at mass multi-tabling poker online and always make my play within 5 seconds in NL even if the situation is messy.
Pope was a chess prodigy? I never would have guessed. You are a true renaissance man!
