Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

Hi Everyone:

Here's part of the Introduction to or upcoming book Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money. We expect to have the printed book up on Amazon in less than a month:

Introduction

Let’s start this book off with a few examples. These are just a few of the many types of hands which for the live small stakes games, usually $2-$5 or less, that we play differently from the way almost all other players in these games will play them, and is also different from much of the standard advice that is out there. So why do we do this?

The answer is simple. Against poor playing opponents, the best strategy for maximizing your win rate is to exploit these players as much as possible, sometimes with plays that look extreme. Especially to an “expert” player who often relies on Game Theory Optimal (GTO) to model his strategy.

Now, we understand that those who usually play GTO will, when appropriate, exploit their opponents. They do so when they see an opponent playing very badly which will make them make changes to their standard strategy. But they usually do this only in very obvious cases.

But that’s not the way we play these small stakes games. In these games, assuming the game is eight or nine-handed, it’s common to be against four ot more terrible players, and even most of the remaining players, who are usually semi-competent, will still make some significant errors, especially late in the hand when the big bets are in play.

If you were to go into a higher stakes (live) game, usually $5-$10 and up, where there are many strong players, and do many of the things that we’ll be recommending, your results will probably be disappointing. But if you stick to a game like $1-$3 no-limit hold ’em where the maximum buy-in is usually 100 to 200 big blinds, and follow the advice that is contained in this book, we suspect that you’ll be quite surprised and pleased with your results.

Our approach is not looking to make lots of great plays where you may steal a pot or knock a player out who, if he had stayed in, might have beaten you on a later street. We’re also not interested in constantly balancing our strategy and putting our opponent(s) at an “indifference point.” The experts can worry about that stuff, and if that’s your approach, play the higher stakes or perhaps limit hold ’em where recognizing small edges is highly important. But if you simply want to let your opponents give you their money, we’ll show you how to do it.

A Few Examples

(Again, these examples show you only a small number of the many ideas we will soon tell you about.) To see what we’re talking about, here are five examples. Notice that in every one of these hands, we’re playing differently, and sometimes very differently, from the way most poker instructors, coaches, book authors, poker video content producers, etc., will tell you how to play. It's true that, in general, their advice may be reasonably good, especially against tougher players than those we’ll be addressing. But it won’t be well targeted for these small stakes games. And if you’re playing live, these are the vast majority of games that are spread in our public cardrooms.

Example No. 1: Here’s a hand that David played in a Las Vegas $1-$3 game. It’s an extreme example, but we want to start with it to show how different many of the strategies in this book are and to give you an idea of how different, in some situations, our approach to maximizing your expectation is from the typical player, and this includes most of those who are currently having some success in live $1-$2, $1-$3, $2-$5, and similar no-limit hold ’em games.

In a $1-$3 no-limit game, David was dealt the

K K

two positions to the right of the button. The first four players limped in and David only called. The next two players folded, the small blind called, and the big blind checked.

The flop came the

J 9 7

The under-the-gun player bet, two players called, and then David threw his pair of kings in the muck.

Virtually no one else, at the time of this writing, would play a pair of kings in late position in a multiway pot this way. They would have made a substantial raise before the flop, and on the flop they would have certainly played their hand.

But let’s notice something obvious. If one of the last two positions or one of the blinds would have raised, when the action got back to David, he would have the option to make a big reraise, and if there were also a couple of callers, he would almost always be a large favorite to win a big pot assuming he got at least one caller.

As for his fold on the flop, given the way the hand was played, the reason for David’s fold is a little more complex, and that will be explained in detail later in this book. He would not have folded if the flop would have come something like the

J 7 2:

So, this example should give you an idea of what this book is about. To be specific, it’s playing your hands in the way that will exploit the weak players to the maximum. And as you can see from this example, some of the ways to do this aren't the ways that are generally advocated by the current crop of poker instructors and poker coaches as well as some of whom have been around. But there are ways, which will allow you to win the maximum at a reasonable risk that these small live stakes games have to offer.

Example No. 2: This hand was played by David. Under-the-Gun in a $1-$3 game at a full table, David held the

A K

Instead of raising first in as most poker instructors would recommend, he limped in for $3 and got three callers behind him plus the big blind. So, after the rake, there was $15 in the pot.

The flop came the

K 9 4

and with top pair, top kicker, David bet $15 and got one caller. The pot (after the rake) is now $42.

David saw that his lone opponent only had $80 left. And when a T came on the turn, David bet $80 and was called by his opponent who was now all-in. Unfortunately, a club came on the river and this player showed the

6 2

for a flush which won the pot.

Now some of you might say that if David had raised before the flop, as most players would, he would have won the pot. But notice that he got his opponent to call a large bet (for this game) getting 1.5-to-1 odds when he needed to make a 4-to-1 shot. So, theoretically, David won much more playing the hand this way than he would have won playing the hand in a conventional manner. And over time, these theoretical wins do turn into real money.

Example No. 3: Here’s a hand that Mason played. A timid early position player limped in, and Mason had concluded that this player absolutely never bluffed. Everyone folded to Mason who called with the 77 on the button. The small blind folded and the big blind checked.

Three random cards, including one overcard to the sevens, flopped. The big blind checked, the timid player bet a modest amount, and Mason folded.

Example No. 4: Here’s another hand that Mason played. In a $1-$3 game, an overly loose-aggressive player, two positions to the right of the button, raised to $10. The button called and Mason, who held the

A K

in the big blind called. Notice that the standard play would be to make a big reraise.

The flop came the

J 6 3

Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $15, the button folded, and Mason called with his ace-king and three-flush. The turn was the 6 giving Mason a four-flush. Mason checked, the loose aggressive player bet $25, and Mason called.

The river was the A. Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $50 and Mason called with his (now) aces-up and king kicker. The loose aggressive player then turned over the

A 2

Notice that he had bet a total of $100 on all four streets and never had the best hand.

Example No. 5: And for our final example, here’s a hand that David played. Before the flop in a $1-$2 game that had a maximum $300 buy-in, David called a limp with the

8 7

Five players, not including the small blind, saw the flop, and after the rake there was $10 in the pot. The flop was the

A 9 4

which gave David a flush draw. An early position player bet $8, and David called. Now there was $25 (after the rake) in the pot and both players had plenty of chips. The turn was a blank and David’s opponent bet $15 into the $25 pot bringing it to $38 (after the rake). This meant that David would be receiving immediate odds of $38-to-$15, or 2.53-to-1, to call. And since making a flush on the river is approximately 4-to-1, even if David can collect an additional bet when his flush comes in, this does not seem like enough to warrant a call. But David went ahead and called, bringing the pot to $52 (after the rake).

The flush card came on the river. The early position player checked, and David bet $70, $18 more than the size of the pot. And after thinking for a while, the early position player called and his top pair lost to the flush and David made $108 on his $15 call, which is approximately 7.2-to-1 on a 4-to-1 shot.

) 1 View 1
20 November 2023 at 04:32 AM
Reply...

317 Replies

5
w


by newguyhere k

No

You can't lose something that's already lost.

Good point, if you sit in the blinds that's true. But if you sit anywhere else, you are up for that loss when the blinds hit.


by plaaynde k

Good point, if you sit in the blinds that's true. But if you sit anywhere else, you are up for that loss when the blinds hit.

So what is the EV of folding then?


by DooDooPoker k

So what is the EV of folding then?

Maybe you could calculate? I'm using full ring, ten players, no ante as bottom line. With fewer players and/or an ante you lose even more on average by folding. Just a general comment, something I think is not emphasized enough.

Folding can prevent you from losing more though in many situations. And you need to play the kind of pots when you are in for overcoming the built-in loss of folding. Then you need to overcome rake and possible tipping. And suddenly you are at 0EV, great win! Tough game.


by plaaynde k

Maybe you could calculate?

I already know this answer.... I'm helping you and ding dong dude45.

Pointlesswords can't be saved.


by PointlessWords k

Everybody at the table is a fish below $2/5 with a $1k cap buyin

I’d rather play HU and win at a higher freq. I’ve seen no proof that going multi-way is more profitable nor a better strategy than being HU

There's different levels of fish.

Why would I want to play solid preflop and only get to play the best hand out of the other 6-8 players instead of a bunch of droolers playing 80 percent of their hands who are all going to make massive mistakes post flop? Great in the first scenario I win a higher percentage of the time in an extremely boring game but I make way more more in the second scenario.

The only way id prefer the first scenario is if the table was one absolute boot licker and everyone else at the table was good and I was almost always HU with the boot licker.

Think about it logically - if you played 80 or 90 percent of your hands in full ring NL you'd get absolutely torched. So why wouldn't you want a table full of opponents who play that way?


by plaaynde k

Maybe you could calculate? I'm using full ring, ten players, no ante as bottom line. With fewer players and/or an ante you lose even more on average by folding. Just a general comment, something I think is not emphasized enough.

Folding can prevent you from losing more though in many situations. And you need to play those pots when you are in for overcoming the loss of folding.

It's just a math problem.

You need the EV formula.

EV = (%W*$W)-(%L*$L)

Okay now calculate the EV of folding. What do you win and what do you lose?

Then you will know the answer.


The book should be titled

How to lower your risk and play passive poker. You will win less than you could, but you’ll risk less as well (kinda)

Chapter one : how to play passively while ignoring a major part of poker

I guess I have to ask the authors

What hand do you think wins you the most money lifetime?


by plaaynde k

Folding is -EV on average, as you are punished with -1.5bb/round. Add antes etc.

How is folding -x amount when the ev of folding/calling in his example is 0?

I am trying really hard to follow your thought process but i think you dont know what ev means

Ev= expected value. The expect value of your action is 0


by belthazorrrrr k

How is folding -x amount when the ev of folding/calling in his example is 0?

I am trying really hard to follow your thought process but i think you dont know what ev means

Ev= expected value. The expect value of your action is 0

You are right. In a specific situation 0EV is 0EV regardless of the action, if they all produce 0EV. But that's if they are equal in average outcome. Solvers use to give a few of them for example.

"0EV" (the way I used it) in a specific hand though may be worth playing instead of folding, in for example a tournament, if the blinds are about to likely hurting you. Winning the hand makes blinds matter relatively less and busting kind of protects you from the next blind. But all of this could of course be included in a formula.


by plaaynde k

You are right. In a specific situation 0EV is 0EV regardless of the action, if they all produce 0EV. But that's if they are equal in average outcome. Solvers use to give a few of them for example.

"0EV" (the way I used it) in a specific hand though may be worth playing instead of folding, in for example a tournament, if the blinds are about to likely hurting you. Winning the hand makes blinds matter relatively less and busting kind of protects you from the next blind. But all of this could of co

Except this book and thread are about cash games, not tournaments, so your entire point is completely irrelevant.


by PointlessWords k

The book should be titled

How to lower your risk and play passive poker. You will win less than you could, but you’ll risk less as well (kinda)

Chapter one : how to play passively while ignoring a major part of poker

I guess I have to ask the authors

What hand do you think wins you the most money lifetime?

Seems like your reason for not liking this strategy was that it was too risky - you would rather play headsup and win the maximum number of pots you enter, instead of the maximum amount of money possible.


by chillrob k

Except this book and thread are about cash games, not tournaments, so your entire point is completely irrelevant.

Less relevant, not irrelevant 😀


by chillrob k

Seems like your reason for not liking this strategy was that it was too risky - you would rather play headsup and win the maximum number of pots you enter, instead of the maximum amount of money possible.

Your comment assumes you win the maximum amount of money by not playing heads-up. You’re wrong.

And the book is wrong too. Even if one person knows gto basics , if the other has a better understanding and execution, the less skilled player will lose heaps.

I assume you don’t have much if any experience playing heads up.


by PointlessWords k

Your comment assumes you win the maximum amount of money by not playing heads-up. You’re wrong.

And the book is wrong too. Even if one person knows gto basics , if the other has a better understanding and execution, the less skilled player will lose heaps.

I assume you don’t have much if any experience playing heads up.

Some people just never learn.


by DooDooPoker k

Some people just never learn.

Have you read the first two chapters of the book?


by PointlessWords k

Have you read the first two chapters of the book?

I've read the whole book front to back and have taken very detailed notes (3 pages worth) on every chapter.


by DooDooPoker k

Some people just never learn.

Are people really discussing a situation where folding and calling are both 0ev? Or am I missing something and should I read the entire thread?


by DooDooPoker k

I've read the whole book front to back and have taken very detailed notes (3 pages worth) on every chapter.

what was the first glaring error you found?


by PointlessWords k

what was the first glaring error you found?

The book is mainly a conceptual book imo. The weakest part of the book is the hand histories but in defense to the authors they only serve to reinforce concepts and are not to be taken at face value.

Conceptually the book is very strong and I enjoyed going through all the chapters. They use qualitative examples instead of quantitative examples which makes sense because it would take a lot longer to write a book using quantitative examples.

If you are looking for how to play a specific hand in a specific spot and be taken through step by step using real data then this isn't the book for you.

If you want to learn broader concepts concerning live play adaptions so that you can apply it to any situation then this book would be highly recommended.


by PointlessWords k

The book should be titled

How to lower your risk and play passive poker. You will win less than you could, but you’ll risk less as well (kinda) ?

The book's suggestions are not always passive. Especially when it comes to big bets with excellent hands preflop or on the river.

But I would not object to that title as much as you think. After all the present title is about helping them GIVE you money not so much how to TAKE it. The thing is that the taking style alone will probably be the style that wins less if there are quite a few bad players in the game and the player/reader who is trying to implement mainly that taking style, (rather than the one in the book,) is merely good, rather than expert. Non experts playing against bad players (who rarely bluff, enter too many pots, call typical bets with mediocre hands and big bets with pretty good hands that are obviously beaten) will most assuredly NOT win less that top players that are playing in a similar game and are not adjusting towards our book.


All the examples in the Introduction are fine in context, but not in general. The problem is the Introduction didn't explain they were player and read dependent.

For example, the overlimp KK play. It is true 1/3 players don't raise much. However, I played in a 1/2 game with this terrible LAG. He played better than the others by raising preflop more often and bluffing more. However, the was bleeding money, by playing to loose, etc. He was raising 60% of hands. He called an UTG limp/shove for 60 into a pot of 35 with 62s and make a straight versus AK. Another time he raised to 12, go two callers and the same player cold shoved for 200. Maniac called and lost to KK. So that maniac was never folding to a 3-bet except maybe a shove. In that situation, it made sense to limp/3-bet strong hands. If you know a player is raising 60%, and then there is about a 65% chance someone will raise, then limping behind with KK in late position is good.

Also, I agree it isn't a generally a good idea to grind 1/3 for years. However, the swings are generally much less, and you can have a high percentage of winning sessions. So it is good for someone starting out playing professionally or for profit part-time. Once you get comfortable, you can move up to bigger games.


by deuceblocker k

All the examples in the Introduction are fine in context, but not in general. The problem is the Introduction didn't explain they were player and read dependent.

The Introduction was deliberately written that way. It was designed to create interest in the book and I think it did do that. However, if you read the whole book, you would see that everything was explained, including when it was right to do so, as to why the hands in the Introduction were played the way they were.

Mason


There was some guy who promised a review, but I don't think delivered. I don't want to be the only one commenting on the book.

IMO, it is excellent as far as it goes. I don't care if the authors can beat 5/10 NL in Vegas. However, there is a lot of HH analysis in videos and in the forums here and elsewhere. It seems like the authors came up with their own impressions rather than examining the recent consensus. It definitely is not comprehensive in terms of how to play in many situations.

However, the point of the Introduction, which a lot of people missed, is that playing bad players you need to vary a lot by situation and reads, and just playing by formula is very suboptimal.


by deuceblocker k

There was some guy who promised a review, but I don't think delivered. I don't want to be the only one commenting on the book.

IMO, it is excellent as far as it goes. I don't care if the authors can beat 5/10 NL in Vegas. However, there is a lot of HH analysis in videos and in the forums here and elsewhere. It seems like the authors came up with their own impressions rather than examining the recent consensus. It definitely is not comprehensive in terms of how to play in many situations.

However,

how do you compare it to course?


by the pleasure k

how do you compare it to course?

Oh, the Miller book. I like this one better. The Miller book gives too many rules, like never limp. That sort of thing is good for fish to keep them playing solid. The Sklansky book assumes you know how to play, and discusses adjustments when playing 1/3 or whatever.

There are a lot of regs and part-time players who have difficulty because of the games getting harder, etc. Online poker is a mess, and very tough. Limit games are much less played. 5/10 and up NL players are using GTO, copying how a program plays, etc. So there are a lot of people who want to try 1/3 (or 1/2 or 2/5).

Reply...