Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

Hi Everyone:

Here's part of the Introduction to or upcoming book Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money. We expect to have the printed book up on Amazon in less than a month:

Introduction

Let’s start this book off with a few examples. These are just a few of the many types of hands which for the live small stakes games, usually $2-$5 or less, that we play differently from the way almost all other players in these games will play them, and is also different from much of the standard advice that is out there. So why do we do this?

The answer is simple. Against poor playing opponents, the best strategy for maximizing your win rate is to exploit these players as much as possible, sometimes with plays that look extreme. Especially to an “expert” player who often relies on Game Theory Optimal (GTO) to model his strategy.

Now, we understand that those who usually play GTO will, when appropriate, exploit their opponents. They do so when they see an opponent playing very badly which will make them make changes to their standard strategy. But they usually do this only in very obvious cases.

But that’s not the way we play these small stakes games. In these games, assuming the game is eight or nine-handed, it’s common to be against four ot more terrible players, and even most of the remaining players, who are usually semi-competent, will still make some significant errors, especially late in the hand when the big bets are in play.

If you were to go into a higher stakes (live) game, usually $5-$10 and up, where there are many strong players, and do many of the things that we’ll be recommending, your results will probably be disappointing. But if you stick to a game like $1-$3 no-limit hold ’em where the maximum buy-in is usually 100 to 200 big blinds, and follow the advice that is contained in this book, we suspect that you’ll be quite surprised and pleased with your results.

Our approach is not looking to make lots of great plays where you may steal a pot or knock a player out who, if he had stayed in, might have beaten you on a later street. We’re also not interested in constantly balancing our strategy and putting our opponent(s) at an “indifference point.” The experts can worry about that stuff, and if that’s your approach, play the higher stakes or perhaps limit hold ’em where recognizing small edges is highly important. But if you simply want to let your opponents give you their money, we’ll show you how to do it.

A Few Examples

(Again, these examples show you only a small number of the many ideas we will soon tell you about.) To see what we’re talking about, here are five examples. Notice that in every one of these hands, we’re playing differently, and sometimes very differently, from the way most poker instructors, coaches, book authors, poker video content producers, etc., will tell you how to play. It's true that, in general, their advice may be reasonably good, especially against tougher players than those we’ll be addressing. But it won’t be well targeted for these small stakes games. And if you’re playing live, these are the vast majority of games that are spread in our public cardrooms.

Example No. 1: Here’s a hand that David played in a Las Vegas $1-$3 game. It’s an extreme example, but we want to start with it to show how different many of the strategies in this book are and to give you an idea of how different, in some situations, our approach to maximizing your expectation is from the typical player, and this includes most of those who are currently having some success in live $1-$2, $1-$3, $2-$5, and similar no-limit hold ’em games.

In a $1-$3 no-limit game, David was dealt the

K K

two positions to the right of the button. The first four players limped in and David only called. The next two players folded, the small blind called, and the big blind checked.

The flop came the

J 9 7

The under-the-gun player bet, two players called, and then David threw his pair of kings in the muck.

Virtually no one else, at the time of this writing, would play a pair of kings in late position in a multiway pot this way. They would have made a substantial raise before the flop, and on the flop they would have certainly played their hand.

But let’s notice something obvious. If one of the last two positions or one of the blinds would have raised, when the action got back to David, he would have the option to make a big reraise, and if there were also a couple of callers, he would almost always be a large favorite to win a big pot assuming he got at least one caller.

As for his fold on the flop, given the way the hand was played, the reason for David’s fold is a little more complex, and that will be explained in detail later in this book. He would not have folded if the flop would have come something like the

J 7 2:

So, this example should give you an idea of what this book is about. To be specific, it’s playing your hands in the way that will exploit the weak players to the maximum. And as you can see from this example, some of the ways to do this aren't the ways that are generally advocated by the current crop of poker instructors and poker coaches as well as some of whom have been around. But there are ways, which will allow you to win the maximum at a reasonable risk that these small live stakes games have to offer.

Example No. 2: This hand was played by David. Under-the-Gun in a $1-$3 game at a full table, David held the

A K

Instead of raising first in as most poker instructors would recommend, he limped in for $3 and got three callers behind him plus the big blind. So, after the rake, there was $15 in the pot.

The flop came the

K 9 4

and with top pair, top kicker, David bet $15 and got one caller. The pot (after the rake) is now $42.

David saw that his lone opponent only had $80 left. And when a T came on the turn, David bet $80 and was called by his opponent who was now all-in. Unfortunately, a club came on the river and this player showed the

6 2

for a flush which won the pot.

Now some of you might say that if David had raised before the flop, as most players would, he would have won the pot. But notice that he got his opponent to call a large bet (for this game) getting 1.5-to-1 odds when he needed to make a 4-to-1 shot. So, theoretically, David won much more playing the hand this way than he would have won playing the hand in a conventional manner. And over time, these theoretical wins do turn into real money.

Example No. 3: Here’s a hand that Mason played. A timid early position player limped in, and Mason had concluded that this player absolutely never bluffed. Everyone folded to Mason who called with the 77 on the button. The small blind folded and the big blind checked.

Three random cards, including one overcard to the sevens, flopped. The big blind checked, the timid player bet a modest amount, and Mason folded.

Example No. 4: Here’s another hand that Mason played. In a $1-$3 game, an overly loose-aggressive player, two positions to the right of the button, raised to $10. The button called and Mason, who held the

A K

in the big blind called. Notice that the standard play would be to make a big reraise.

The flop came the

J 6 3

Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $15, the button folded, and Mason called with his ace-king and three-flush. The turn was the 6 giving Mason a four-flush. Mason checked, the loose aggressive player bet $25, and Mason called.

The river was the A. Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $50 and Mason called with his (now) aces-up and king kicker. The loose aggressive player then turned over the

A 2

Notice that he had bet a total of $100 on all four streets and never had the best hand.

Example No. 5: And for our final example, here’s a hand that David played. Before the flop in a $1-$2 game that had a maximum $300 buy-in, David called a limp with the

8 7

Five players, not including the small blind, saw the flop, and after the rake there was $10 in the pot. The flop was the

A 9 4

which gave David a flush draw. An early position player bet $8, and David called. Now there was $25 (after the rake) in the pot and both players had plenty of chips. The turn was a blank and David’s opponent bet $15 into the $25 pot bringing it to $38 (after the rake). This meant that David would be receiving immediate odds of $38-to-$15, or 2.53-to-1, to call. And since making a flush on the river is approximately 4-to-1, even if David can collect an additional bet when his flush comes in, this does not seem like enough to warrant a call. But David went ahead and called, bringing the pot to $52 (after the rake).

The flush card came on the river. The early position player checked, and David bet $70, $18 more than the size of the pot. And after thinking for a while, the early position player called and his top pair lost to the flush and David made $108 on his $15 call, which is approximately 7.2-to-1 on a 4-to-1 shot.

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Dude45 is right btw. 0EV means 0EV. What you do will change your frequencies and that will cause opponents to possibly change theirs

Additionally something can be 0EV but have ICM implications, also you can have 0EV but calling let’s you see their hand etc


by PointlessWords k

Dude45 is right btw. 0EV means 0EV. What you do will change your frequencies and that will cause opponents to possibly change theirs

Additionally something can be 0EV but have ICM implications, also you can have 0EV but calling let’s you see their hand etc

No 0EV means you don't gain or lose EV either way and your play has the same EV as folding. So it does not matter what you do theoretically

dude45 is saying the opposite (and apparently you are too).

I'm glad you are agreeing with him though since you are making my point for me.


Expected Value does not have ICM integrated nor does it take into account seeing your villains hand nor does it take into account not showing villain your hand

EV is quantitative

The other stuff is qualitative

Edit: 0 EV means the EV of all of the actions are the same. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t matter what you do.

EV is not the guideline for what matters, it’s the guideline for quantitative value


by PointlessWords k

Expected Value does not have ICM integrated nor does it take into account seeing your villains hand nor does it take into account not showing villain your hand

EV is quantitative

The other stuff is qualitative

Edit: 0 EV means the EV of all of the actions are the same. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t matter what you do.

EV is not the guideline for what matters, it’s the guideline for quantitative value

No, if a bluff catcher is 0EV then calling and folding are the same EV so it literally does not matter what you do. The fact that you are saying it matters show's you don't understand the concept.


by PointlessWords k

Expected Value does not have ICM integrated nor does it take into account seeing your villains hand nor does it take into account not showing villain your hand

EV is quantitative

The other stuff is qualitative

Edit: 0 EV means the EV of all of the actions are the same. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t matter what you do.

EV is not the guideline for what matters, it’s the guideline for quantitative value

You talk about solvers and such, and then you continually post things that make no sense.

Hint: Solvers implement Counterfactual Regret Minimization. What regret are they trying to minimize? The regret of not taking the highest EV option. EV is all that matters.

Also, ICM is quantitative and has absolutely no meaning in cash games. At this point, you are just saying stuff.


by MarkD k

You talk about solvers and such, and then you continually post things that make no sense.

Hint: Solvers implement Counterfactual Regret Minimization. What regret are they trying to minimize? The regret of not taking the highest EV option. EV is all that matters.

Also, ICM is quantitative and has absolutely no meaning in cash games. At this point, you are just saying stuff.

You can't make this stuff up.

We have two guys (dude45/Pointless Words) bashing a book that they haven't read while demonstrating they do not understand basic poker theory.

Live games will never die.


by MarkD k

Also, ICM is quantitative and has absolutely no meaning in cash games. At this point, you are just saying stuff.

I wonder if they're aware that the method known as ICM was first introduced by me (to the poker world) in 1986.

Mason


by Mason Malmuth k

I wonder if they're aware that the method known as ICM was first introduced by me (to the poker world) in 1986.

Mason

Fate loves irony.


so how do you guys quantify things like seeing someones hand vs them not seeing yours etc?

Im glad you invented it.

ofc I can be wrong, doesnt mean I am tho


by PointlessWords k

Im glad you invented it.

ICM is a conditional probability problem, and I did not invent conditional probability. But in 1986 I wrote an article for the old Poker Player Newspaper where I was addressing the question of whether it was right to rebuy and computed the value of the chip stacks after the rebuy was purchased and taking into account some specific payoffs, and what became known as ICM was how I approached the problem. That article then appeared in my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics which was first published in 1987. And, it's still in the current expanded edition of this book as well as some other comments on ICM.

By the way, the name Independent Chip Model (ICM) did not come from me, and I don't know where it came from.


by DooDooPoker k

You can't make this stuff up.

We have two guys (dude45/Pointless Words) bashing a book that they haven't read while demonstrating they do not understand basic poker theory.

Live games will never die.

PW and dude getting absolutely torn up over the past few pages. We need a mercy rule. The level of self-own from those two is pretty impressive.


by Mason Malmuth k

ICM is a conditional probability problem, and I did not invent conditional probability. But in 1986 I wrote an article for the old Poker Player Newspaper where I was addressing the question of whether it was right to rebuy and computed the value of the chip stacks after the rebuy was purchased and taking into account some specific payoffs, and what became known as ICM was how I approached the problem. That article then appeared in my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics which was first publishe

Sure, I feel like this was well discussed throughout super system and various 2p2 books from 2000 onward

Does ICM take into account the benefit of seeing your opponents cards


by DooDooPoker k

This may come off rude but it needs to be said.

You can't trust your own judgement if you are making statements like the one below. You should defer to people who have been experts in the field for almost 50 years.

Sorry the only reason you would flat in the kk hand posted earlier in this thread is because you want to play multiway. Also it can be easily proven that while it may not matter for any one hand defaulting to any one action 100% does matter to your overall strategy


by dude45 k

Sorry the only reason you would flat in the kk hand posted earlier in this thread is because you want to play multiway. Also it can be easily proven that while it may not matter for any one hand defaulting to any one action 100% does matter to your overall strategy

You're back and you've decided to double down on your faulty logic.


Nope that isn't correct in the context that we have been talking about throughout this thread.

If raising and calling were both 0EV then I could fold 100% of the time and I wouldn't lose any EV in my strategy.

Hit me!


by DooDooPoker k

You're back and you've decided to double down on your faulty logic.

Nope that isn't correct in the context that we have been talking about throughout this thread.

If raising and calling were both 0EV then I could fold 100% of the time and I wouldn't lose any EV in my strategy.

Hit me!

Folding is -EV on average, as you are punished with -1.5bb/round. Add antes etc.


by plaaynde k

Folding is -EV on average, as you are punished with -1.5bb/round. Add antes etc.

lol I hope you are joking.

This forum is comedy gold right now.


by DooDooPoker k

lol I hope you are joking.

This forum is comedy gold right now.

-15bb+/100 is not a joke 😀


by plaaynde k

-15bb+/100 is not a joke 😀

Come on man, you have over 20k posts and you've been here since 2010 and your calculation is that folding is -15bb/100?

Redo the calculation and try again please.


by DooDooPoker k

lol I hope you are joking.

This forum is comedy gold right now.

Try this run a solve next run the same solve but node lock all the 0ev hands to fold and see how much it effects the solvers overall strategy.


by dude45 k

Try this run a solve next run the same solve but node lock all the 0ev hands to fold and see how much it effects the solvers overall strategy.

Are you trying to hypothesize that your opponent's frequencies will change if you change your own frequencies? Yeah of course dude45.

That's not what we are talking about.


by DooDooPoker k

Come on man, you have over 20k posts and you've been here since 2010 and your calculation is that folding is -15bb/100?

Redo the calculation and try again please.

Yes, blinds are punishing you. Poker is actually much about overcoming our trash card blind bets. With bigger pots the relative impact of the blinds diminishes. Every hand we fold is -0.15bb+ on average because of the blinds. Often profitable because we would lose even more if playing. So when we have it, we need to play it!


by plaaynde k

Yes, blinds are punishing you. The game of poker is actually much about overcoming our trash card blind bets. With bigger pots the relative impact of the blinds diminishes. Every hand we fold is -0.15bb+ on average because of the blinds. Often profitable because we would lose even more if playing. So when we have it, we need to play it!

Nope not correct, folding isn't -0.15bb

I need to use the Sklansky.....Do you see why?


by DooDooPoker k

Nope not correct, folding isn't -0.15bb/100

I need to use the Sklansky.....Do you see why?

-0.15bb+ per hand = -15bb+/100

Sklansky.


by plaaynde k

Yes, blinds are punishing you. Poker is actually much about overcoming our trash card blind bets. With bigger pots the relative impact of the blinds diminishes. Every hand we fold is -0.15bb+ on average because of the blinds. Often profitable because we would lose even more if playing. So when we have it, we need to play it!

No

You can't lose something that's already lost.


by plaaynde k

-0.15bb+ per hand = -15bb+/100

Sklansky.

Nope.

Redo calculation.

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