Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

You would think that 😂😂

There are some principles from GTO which can be applied, but which you need to make adjustments to. The solvers generally assume HU pots and correct play by opponents, which is pretty far from reality at live low stakes.

Every GTO expert would disagree with you regarding almost all games including poker. Any strategy that will beat all counterstrategies not GTIO can do better if appropriate adjustments are made to the non GTO strategy of the opponent. That is a simple logical fact. (Sort of like if a jury has decided to use criteria make it harder to convict an innocent person, that criteria must make it easier to acquit a guilty person. It almost never matters what the details are.)

When people were telling me about this game I thought they were trolling me. I wonder how long that card room is going to last until the managers realize too late that they're slaughtering their golden cow. It's like nobody did the math on how insane that rake is for their poker room's longevity.

It is terrible, but just in case you didn't notice it's Canadian dollars so 'only' max $15 US.

But of course then it's also basically a 1/2 game, with a $225 cap.

I noticed, I'm in Canada lol. The games here have crazy rake compared to the US. The card room where I am is 10% at $8 + $2. It's beatable, but barely, because the $1/2 here is noticeably tougher than your average $1/2 game.

Ok, wasn't meaning to be pedantic, I just thought you and others might not have noticed. There should be different signs for different currencies, even if they are both called "dollars".

It is surprising to me that even within Canada the rake can vary so widely.
But actually I thought there was no poker in Toronto except for temporary rooms for part of the summer. I guess that has changed but it's now at one place with no nearby competition?

Where is your casino with the more reasonable rake but tougher games?

Someone was posting elsewhere that in Germany they have 5% with a 20 euro cap, and presumably no tipping. That is way better than Canada. It maybe winds up less than the US for their 1/1 euro game, but more for bigger games.

The exchange rate doesn't matter; what matters is the size of the rake relative to the steaks / BI. So exactly equivalent to any USA#1 (or any other country) 1/2 NL $300 max BI game.

You don't have to read too many Venues & Communities thread to realize that USA#1 is likely one of the last places on earth with a lol $5 maximum rake in LLSNL. My 1/3 NL game hasn't seen a $5 maximum rake since early 2016, and is currently sitting at $9 (max rake) + $1 (BBJ drop) + $1 (high hand drop) + typically ~$1 tip. Late last year I played on our opposite coast in a game that was only raking $7 + $1, and I doubt there's a better raked game in the country.

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If properly nodelocked a gto bot will crush a donk harder than any human ever could. Not only are solvers better at balance they're better at exploitation.

That is of course true if nodelocking means what I once thought it meant. But then I asked whether that included something like having a player call an all in bet on the turn getting 2-1 odds and I was told it doesn't. Was that wrong?

I don't know. I've only heard about the insane rake.

Our casino isn't really ours, as I'm in Ottawa, but it's in the neighbouring city of Gatineau, Quebec across the river (government owned and operated). It's about a 5 minute drive from the downtown core. We technically do have a Hard Rock which opened recently that's far out south in the city, but it's a much longer drive there, plus they haven't reopened their poker room since covid.

Has anyone read it and given a thoughtful review yet?

There are a couple of short reviews in this thread. You might want to find them and give them a look.

Mason

Of course.

Of course that is also whitewashing over what it takes for a bot to be "properly nodelocked". That is literally what some people call "playing poker".

The solvers have been very successful in solving certain simple problems, HU pots between good players, by running huge numbers of simulations. That is useful when applied to higher stakes cash games. Although playing GTO is still not optimal in those cases, there are many changes in typical play of good players due to solvers. Solvers are not so helpful with multiway pots in tough games, and don't translate completely to tournament play at different stages. No one has been able to develop anything simulating a game with a bunch of bad lose passive players. Anyone claiming that is an easy problem does not know what he is talking about.

There is an easy solution that ignores the variables you’re listing. The computer gives us those solutions. And after studying pluribus for hours and hours you can see the MW adjustments the solvers make

If it is such as easy solution, why has no one developed it?

The information is out there you just need to find it. Go study pluribus. You can pay upswing $500 or so to do so.

GTO will win in low stakes games. But it's comically sub optimal. The entire strategy is based on not being exploited in a player pool where 99 percent of players aren't trying to exploit you.

So basically the authors don’t have any training in poker gto and are lying or delusional when they make claims about gto

You can’t discuss or compare something you know nothing about, certainly not on a paid and published level. I mean you can discuss it, but what you say has no validity besides guesswork

Upswing doesn't have any content on Pluribus that I can find. They offer a course where Polk analyzes a match against Libratus, not Pluribus. Libratus is software that played heads-up poker, not multi-way. So what are you referring to?

After studying them both you can see there isn’t much of a difference

So they need Doug Polk to teach them gto?

What if the dude was never born?