Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

Introduction to Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money

Hi Everyone:

Here's part of the Introduction to or upcoming book Small Stakes No-Limit Hold ’em: Help Them Give You Their Money. We expect to have the printed book up on Amazon in less than a month:

Introduction

Let’s start this book off with a few examples. These are just a few of the many types of hands which for the live small stakes games, usually $2-$5 or less, that we play differently from the way almost all other players in these games will play them, and is also different from much of the standard advice that is out there. So why do we do this?

The answer is simple. Against poor playing opponents, the best strategy for maximizing your win rate is to exploit these players as much as possible, sometimes with plays that look extreme. Especially to an “expert” player who often relies on Game Theory Optimal (GTO) to model his strategy.

Now, we understand that those who usually play GTO will, when appropriate, exploit their opponents. They do so when they see an opponent playing very badly which will make them make changes to their standard strategy. But they usually do this only in very obvious cases.

But that’s not the way we play these small stakes games. In these games, assuming the game is eight or nine-handed, it’s common to be against four ot more terrible players, and even most of the remaining players, who are usually semi-competent, will still make some significant errors, especially late in the hand when the big bets are in play.

If you were to go into a higher stakes (live) game, usually $5-$10 and up, where there are many strong players, and do many of the things that we’ll be recommending, your results will probably be disappointing. But if you stick to a game like $1-$3 no-limit hold ’em where the maximum buy-in is usually 100 to 200 big blinds, and follow the advice that is contained in this book, we suspect that you’ll be quite surprised and pleased with your results.

Our approach is not looking to make lots of great plays where you may steal a pot or knock a player out who, if he had stayed in, might have beaten you on a later street. We’re also not interested in constantly balancing our strategy and putting our opponent(s) at an “indifference point.” The experts can worry about that stuff, and if that’s your approach, play the higher stakes or perhaps limit hold ’em where recognizing small edges is highly important. But if you simply want to let your opponents give you their money, we’ll show you how to do it.

A Few Examples

(Again, these examples show you only a small number of the many ideas we will soon tell you about.) To see what we’re talking about, here are five examples. Notice that in every one of these hands, we’re playing differently, and sometimes very differently, from the way most poker instructors, coaches, book authors, poker video content producers, etc., will tell you how to play. It's true that, in general, their advice may be reasonably good, especially against tougher players than those we’ll be addressing. But it won’t be well targeted for these small stakes games. And if you’re playing live, these are the vast majority of games that are spread in our public cardrooms.

Example No. 1: Here’s a hand that David played in a Las Vegas $1-$3 game. It’s an extreme example, but we want to start with it to show how different many of the strategies in this book are and to give you an idea of how different, in some situations, our approach to maximizing your expectation is from the typical player, and this includes most of those who are currently having some success in live $1-$2, $1-$3, $2-$5, and similar no-limit hold ’em games.

In a $1-$3 no-limit game, David was dealt the

K K

two positions to the right of the button. The first four players limped in and David only called. The next two players folded, the small blind called, and the big blind checked.

The flop came the

J 9 7

The under-the-gun player bet, two players called, and then David threw his pair of kings in the muck.

Virtually no one else, at the time of this writing, would play a pair of kings in late position in a multiway pot this way. They would have made a substantial raise before the flop, and on the flop they would have certainly played their hand.

But let’s notice something obvious. If one of the last two positions or one of the blinds would have raised, when the action got back to David, he would have the option to make a big reraise, and if there were also a couple of callers, he would almost always be a large favorite to win a big pot assuming he got at least one caller.

As for his fold on the flop, given the way the hand was played, the reason for David’s fold is a little more complex, and that will be explained in detail later in this book. He would not have folded if the flop would have come something like the

J 7 2:

So, this example should give you an idea of what this book is about. To be specific, it’s playing your hands in the way that will exploit the weak players to the maximum. And as you can see from this example, some of the ways to do this aren't the ways that are generally advocated by the current crop of poker instructors and poker coaches as well as some of whom have been around. But there are ways, which will allow you to win the maximum at a reasonable risk that these small live stakes games have to offer.

Example No. 2: This hand was played by David. Under-the-Gun in a $1-$3 game at a full table, David held the

A K

Instead of raising first in as most poker instructors would recommend, he limped in for $3 and got three callers behind him plus the big blind. So, after the rake, there was $15 in the pot.

The flop came the

K 9 4

and with top pair, top kicker, David bet $15 and got one caller. The pot (after the rake) is now $42.

David saw that his lone opponent only had $80 left. And when a T came on the turn, David bet $80 and was called by his opponent who was now all-in. Unfortunately, a club came on the river and this player showed the

6 2

for a flush which won the pot.

Now some of you might say that if David had raised before the flop, as most players would, he would have won the pot. But notice that he got his opponent to call a large bet (for this game) getting 1.5-to-1 odds when he needed to make a 4-to-1 shot. So, theoretically, David won much more playing the hand this way than he would have won playing the hand in a conventional manner. And over time, these theoretical wins do turn into real money.

Example No. 3: Here’s a hand that Mason played. A timid early position player limped in, and Mason had concluded that this player absolutely never bluffed. Everyone folded to Mason who called with the 77 on the button. The small blind folded and the big blind checked.

Three random cards, including one overcard to the sevens, flopped. The big blind checked, the timid player bet a modest amount, and Mason folded.

Example No. 4: Here’s another hand that Mason played. In a $1-$3 game, an overly loose-aggressive player, two positions to the right of the button, raised to $10. The button called and Mason, who held the

A K

in the big blind called. Notice that the standard play would be to make a big reraise.

The flop came the

J 6 3

Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $15, the button folded, and Mason called with his ace-king and three-flush. The turn was the 6 giving Mason a four-flush. Mason checked, the loose aggressive player bet $25, and Mason called.

The river was the A. Mason checked, the loose-aggressive player bet $50 and Mason called with his (now) aces-up and king kicker. The loose aggressive player then turned over the

A 2

Notice that he had bet a total of $100 on all four streets and never had the best hand.

Example No. 5: And for our final example, here’s a hand that David played. Before the flop in a $1-$2 game that had a maximum $300 buy-in, David called a limp with the

8 7

Five players, not including the small blind, saw the flop, and after the rake there was $10 in the pot. The flop was the

A 9 4

which gave David a flush draw. An early position player bet $8, and David called. Now there was $25 (after the rake) in the pot and both players had plenty of chips. The turn was a blank and David’s opponent bet $15 into the $25 pot bringing it to $38 (after the rake). This meant that David would be receiving immediate odds of $38-to-$15, or 2.53-to-1, to call. And since making a flush on the river is approximately 4-to-1, even if David can collect an additional bet when his flush comes in, this does not seem like enough to warrant a call. But David went ahead and called, bringing the pot to $52 (after the rake).

The flush card came on the river. The early position player checked, and David bet $70, $18 more than the size of the pot. And after thinking for a while, the early position player called and his top pair lost to the flush and David made $108 on his $15 call, which is approximately 7.2-to-1 on a 4-to-1 shot.

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by chillrob k

I have studied some material on game theory. It's not nearly as useful for playing multiplayer games against bad opponents. I've also been a poker pro for many years and have never needed staking.

You're welcome to think otherwise, but you are literally the last person whose advice I would take on this. Based on all your other posts, both the lack of intelligence shown on them, and your need for backers for 1/3, I see your endorsement of any idea as being significant evidence for that idea bei

You would think that 😂😂


by PointlessWords k

Clearly you don’t know how poker works. Have you ever studied gto? A lot of it is more than applicable at live low stakes. Like tons and tons of it. One of the few things gto gets wrong for live is how to play the river. Besides that it’s great

You think it’s bad for low stakes? is that other peoples thoughts or you did gro research on your own

There are some principles from GTO which can be applied, but which you need to make adjustments to. The solvers generally assume HU pots and correct play by opponents, which is pretty far from reality at live low stakes.


by PointlessWords k

Clearly you don’t know how poker works. Have you ever studied gto? A lot of it is more than applicable at live low stakes. Like tons and tons of it. One of the few things gto gets wrong for live is how to play the river. Besides that it’s great

You think it’s bad for low stakes? is that other peoples thoughts or you did gro research on your own

Every GTO expert would disagree with you regarding almost all games including poker. Any strategy that will beat all counterstrategies not GTIO can do better if appropriate adjustments are made to the non GTO strategy of the opponent. That is a simple logical fact. (Sort of like if a jury has decided to use criteria make it harder to convict an innocent person, that criteria must make it easier to acquit a guilty person. It almost never matters what the details are.)


by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS k

Pretty funny reading this thread with people talking about the beat-ability of 1/3 with a $5 rake cap.

Here in Toronto, the biggest city in Canada, the only legal poker room has $300 cap 1/3 with a $20 rake cap at 10%.

You guys in Vegas have it so good you don't even have a clue.

When people were telling me about this game I thought they were trolling me. I wonder how long that card room is going to last until the managers realize too late that they're slaughtering their golden cow. It's like nobody did the math on how insane that rake is for their poker room's longevity.


by Hardball47 k

When people were telling me about this game I thought they were trolling me. I wonder how long that card room is going to last until the managers realize too late that they're slaughtering their golden cow. It's like nobody did the math on how insane that rake is for their poker room's longevity.

It is terrible, but just in case you didn't notice it's Canadian dollars so 'only' max $15 US.

But of course then it's also basically a 1/2 game, with a $225 cap.


by chillrob k

It is terrible, but just in case you didn't notice it's Canadian dollars so 'only' max $15 US.

But of course then it's also basically a 1/2 game, with a $225 cap.

I noticed, I'm in Canada lol. The games here have crazy rake compared to the US. The card room where I am is 10% at $8 + $2. It's beatable, but barely, because the $1/2 here is noticeably tougher than your average $1/2 game.


by Hardball47 k

I noticed, I'm in Canada lol. The games here have crazy rake compared to the US. The card room where I am is 10% at $8 + $2. It's beatable, but barely, because the $1/2 here is noticeably tougher than your average $1/2 game.

Ok, wasn't meaning to be pedantic, I just thought you and others might not have noticed. There should be different signs for different currencies, even if they are both called "dollars".

It is surprising to me that even within Canada the rake can vary so widely.
But actually I thought there was no poker in Toronto except for temporary rooms for part of the summer. I guess that has changed but it's now at one place with no nearby competition?

Where is your casino with the more reasonable rake but tougher games?


Someone was posting elsewhere that in Germany they have 5% with a 20 euro cap, and presumably no tipping. That is way better than Canada. It maybe winds up less than the US for their 1/1 euro game, but more for bigger games.


by chillrob k

It is terrible, but just in case you didn't notice it's Canadian dollars so 'only' max $15 US.

The exchange rate doesn't matter; what matters is the size of the rake relative to the steaks / BI. So exactly equivalent to any USA#1 (or any other country) 1/2 NL $300 max BI game.

You don't have to read too many Venues & Communities thread to realize that USA#1 is likely one of the last places on earth with a lol $5 maximum rake in LLSNL. My 1/3 NL game hasn't seen a $5 maximum rake since early 2016, and is currently sitting at $9 (max rake) + $1 (BBJ drop) + $1 (high hand drop) + typically ~$1 tip. Late last year I played on our opposite coast in a game that was only raking $7 + $1, and I doubt there's a better raked game in the country.

GcluelessUSA#1noobG


If properly nodelocked a gto bot will crush a donk harder than any human ever could. Not only are solvers better at balance they're better at exploitation.


by dude45 k

If properly nodelocked a gto bot will crush a donk harder than any human ever could. Not only are solvers better at balance they're better at exploitation.

That is of course true if nodelocking means what I once thought it meant. But then I asked whether that included something like having a player call an all in bet on the turn getting 2-1 odds and I was told it doesn't. Was that wrong?


by chillrob k

I guess that has changed but it's now at one place with no nearby competition?

Where is your casino with the more reasonable rake but tougher games?

I don't know. I've only heard about the insane rake.

Our casino isn't really ours, as I'm in Ottawa, but it's in the neighbouring city of Gatineau, Quebec across the river (government owned and operated). It's about a 5 minute drive from the downtown core. We technically do have a Hard Rock which opened recently that's far out south in the city, but it's a much longer drive there, plus they haven't reopened their poker room since covid.


Has anyone read it and given a thoughtful review yet?


by options_paige k

Has anyone read it and given a thoughtful review yet?

There are a couple of short reviews in this thread. You might want to find them and give them a look.

Mason


by dude45 k

If properly nodelocked a gto bot will crush a donk harder than any human ever could. Not only are solvers better at balance they're better at exploitation.

Of course.

Of course that is also whitewashing over what it takes for a bot to be "properly nodelocked". That is literally what some people call "playing poker".


The solvers have been very successful in solving certain simple problems, HU pots between good players, by running huge numbers of simulations. That is useful when applied to higher stakes cash games. Although playing GTO is still not optimal in those cases, there are many changes in typical play of good players due to solvers. Solvers are not so helpful with multiway pots in tough games, and don't translate completely to tournament play at different stages. No one has been able to develop anything simulating a game with a bunch of bad lose passive players. Anyone claiming that is an easy problem does not know what he is talking about.


There is an easy solution that ignores the variables you’re listing. The computer gives us those solutions. And after studying pluribus for hours and hours you can see the MW adjustments the solvers make


by PointlessWords k

There is an easy solution that ignores the variables you’re listing. The computer gives us those solutions. And after studying pluribus for hours and hours you can see the MW adjustments the solvers make

If it is such as easy solution, why has no one developed it?


by deuceblocker k

If it is such as easy solution, why has no one developed it?

The information is out there you just need to find it. Go study pluribus. You can pay upswing $500 or so to do so.


by PointlessWords k

Clearly you don’t know how poker works. Have you ever studied gto? A lot of it is more than applicable at live low stakes. Like tons and tons of it. One of the few things gto gets wrong for live is how to play the river. Besides that it’s great

You think it’s bad for low stakes? is that other peoples thoughts or you did gro research on your own

GTO will win in low stakes games. But it's comically sub optimal. The entire strategy is based on not being exploited in a player pool where 99 percent of players aren't trying to exploit you.


So basically the authors don’t have any training in poker gto and are lying or delusional when they make claims about gto

You can’t discuss or compare something you know nothing about, certainly not on a paid and published level. I mean you can discuss it, but what you say has no validity besides guesswork


I think it's hilarious that posters think they are so smart, smarter than the authors, think the authors suck, but continue to post in this thread to l so they can feel good about themselves

If you don't want to read the book, don't

But acting like a pompous douche is not going to stop normal level headed people like me from buying it


by PointlessWords k

The information is out there you just need to find it. Go study pluribus. You can pay upswing $500 or so to do so.

Upswing doesn't have any content on Pluribus that I can find. They offer a course where Polk analyzes a match against Libratus, not Pluribus. Libratus is software that played heads-up poker, not multi-way. So what are you referring to?


by George Rice k

Upswing doesn't have any content on Pluribus that I can find. They offer a course where Polk analyzes a match against Libratus, not Pluribus. Libratus is software that played heads-up poker, not multi-way. So what are you referring to?

After studying them both you can see there isn’t much of a difference


by PointlessWords k

So basically the authors don’t have any training in poker gto and are lying or delusional when they make claims about gto

You can’t discuss or compare something you know nothing about, certainly not on a paid and published level. I mean you can discuss it, but what you say has no validity besides guesswork

So they need Doug Polk to teach them gto?

What if the dude was never born?

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