The first human rights violation in the poker world

The first human rights violation in the poker world

The first human rights violation in the poker world

Becoming a professional poker player was not something I thought I'd be growing up. I started playing at 18 with my friends and I was consistently beating them, and I slowly became more immersed in the game as time went by. It wasn't until I was 22 that I realized I could be a pro, and by the time I was 24 in 2017 I was playing full time. The allure of this game has always been that I can set my own hours and routine, work as little or as much as I want, without a formal boss, without having to answer to any person, and without having any superiors. I've always taken a lax approach to the game, don't work myself too hard, and strive to enjoy what life has to offer. I'm certain I'm not the best player, but also far from the worst. I've always had big ambitions in poker however I go at a slow pace and am happy with the little I have accomplished in the almost 8 years I've been playing full time although I have no doubts I have a long way to go. The freedoms it gave me were always one of the draws of playing full time for me, and it pains me that I have to make this thread today as some of these freedoms have been taken away from me by people who have self appointed themselves to positions of authority in a game that should always be pure and fair but has in recent years taken a turn towards elitism.

Here is a link to a thread about me on another forum. I recommend you skip over this part and read through my account of what transpired first however.

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showth...
Don't know what to say. Not something I'd do again but also definitely not as it has been reported. I've maintained and will continue to maintain my innocence and a proper and thorough investigation will exonerate me from wrongdoing and find that I have been wronged. Unfortunately, I have not been afforded that right. Every tactic in the book has been used to keep me quiet, and make my life a living hell for the past 475 days. I've been denied a chance to speak in my defense, I've been denied any form of due process, I've been restricted from doing my job, I've been isolated and blackballed from everybody in the industry, I may have a form of post traumatic stress disorder, and no matter what happens I'll never ever be the same again.

In short form (this is the most I could condense this there is plenty I had to leave out) I dm'd one of poker's influencers on twitter a lot of times. I was under the impression she was a willing participant. There was nothing to suggest otherwise and I have evidence to support she was a willing participant for whatever reason wether it was for her own entertainment or to bait me. She later doxxed me on her page to over 20k people. She lied about key details and leads 10's of thousands of people to believe I'm a schizophrenic and that I'm violent, neither of which are true. People calling for me to be hurt, crazies saying I need to be institutionalized against my will, she puts on a melodramatic performance including saying she needs armed home security guards. My reputation is destroyed and its clear that this person is in a position of power over me and has twisted things to sound like something they're not. Following this I started to have symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder which have persisted to today. It was bad the first few months now it comes and goes. I'm happy to say I've never felt better than recently however it comes back in the form of flashbacks and the like from time to time and longterm I'm not sure what it will be like. I have invested a lot of time effort and money into my mental game so that I know when to play and when not to play. I was unable to play much in the following couple of months and it began a snowball effect on my life that has cost me a ton of money and I am sure without the support I had would have put me on the street.

About a month after this happened I started to get attention from a few anonymous accounts. I talked with one of them via DM, for a couple days. They described themselves as a psychopath who enjoys tormenting people. Once I disengaged contact with this account, they started to dox me. There were over a dozen accounts working together (retweeting one another) for almost two months. Whenever I'd block one there would be another. And it didn't matter if I did because they still did a lot of damage. They'd routinely tag poker accounts and post whatever they wanted about me. Among the things they did was make fake death and rape threats towards the influencer that doxxed me (photoshopped using my profile pic and name to make it look like i tweeted rape and death threats that i didnt), and had them spread around, which people of course believed. They frequently encouraged me to end my life. They would comment a link to the thread where I was doxxed by her, on every one of my posts. They even were doing this to random people that followed me, and also whenever I commented on stuff that had nothing to do with poker. They frequently posted antisemitic stuff on my page. They'd post random Las Vegas addresses saying that I lived there. Might be a few other things I am forgetting. It made my twitter account completely unusable. This went on from around May 6th 2023 to June 26th 2023. These accounts (I concluded that it was at least 2 people working together) left a trail however.

I have a smoking gun of one person's involvement who happens to be a big influencer in the twitter poker celebrity world (>98%). I have a reasonable suspicion of another's involvement who also happens to be a big influencer (let's say 50/50), and that this same thing was done to two other people who were isolated and vulnerable. I have motive, intent, speech patterns, everything to make a reasonable to strong case of who did this. NOBODY has been willing to even take a look. Stay with me because next part is where it gets a little crazy.

June 6th I walked into WSOP to play the 1500 6max which is one of my favorite events. Play until right before dinner break, bust out and head home. Some time later (might have been June 15th?) I get a note on my door that I have legal papers that need to be served to me. I didn't think anything of it, and went in to pick them up on June 20th. I pick up the papers, and sure enough she has filed a report with a fabricated story, claiming that I was stalking her in the WSOP on the 6th. This happens to be the 2nd report she has filed against me, the first one was denied, the second with the fabricated story was approved to be heard by a judge. I happened to have a few eye witness accounts from reputable players that contradict part of her story however the way she wrote it I'm not sure what those are worth. Picked up the documents on June 20th and the hearing was scheduled for June 28th so I had less than a week to get a lawyer and prepare for this. Meanwhile I rushed to message a few of who I thought were trustworthy members of the poker twitter influencers to show them that she lied and to try and get some support, as I was not in shape to pay thousands of dollars for a great lawyer. I didn't get any support, however I did happen to get something out of it, because shortly after I privately shared this story with these "poker celebrities", one of the anon accounts was helpful enough to inform me that "I have no case against her" and threatened to murder me if I didn't keep my mouth shut! What a coincidence that they threatened me a day before it took place! Based on who I thought it was and the network and resources available to them I took it as a credible threat on my life.

I wasn't too worried about the hearing, I figured I'd be able to explain what happened and I'd get a fair hearing and a fair outcome. Nope. As soon as she opened her mouth it was waterworks, and one lie after another, after another. I'm not sure if any one of the things she'd said was fact and I am sure it altered the outcome because there were multiple ways it could have been ruled. The judge did not ask me anything, I did not get a chance to speak a word, and she granted her the most restrictive protective order for the most amount of time it could have been granted, that does not reasonably allow me to play cash games, and attempts but fails to make a stipulation where I can play tournaments. Here's the kicker for her: if it's found that I violated it somehow I'd get sent to prison for up to 5 years. So I figured at this point, I'm screwed. If she decides to lie and say I've violated the order I have no way of defending myself. I'm a nobody with no network or resources to fight this and it's based on a preponderence of evidence. Basically, if she claims I violated the order, whoever the judge believes wins. Coincidentally, after the ruling was made in her favor, the anonymous accounts abruptly stopped.

At this point, few days before the main event, I figured I was screwed. Three days later, July 1st, I got a call from the Wynn informing me that I'd been trespassed. I went to the horseshoe's security office to inquire with them and find out if I'd been trespassed there also. I was told that they'd been informed of the protective order but that I was not trespassed and as long as I dont cause any trouble I'd be fine. Despite that, I thought there was no way to protect myself from this, with the death threat, and the leverage had from the PO, there were people were really out to get me, and I decided to leave the country for three months and keep my head down for the remainder of the year.

Fast forward to a week ago, I bought myself a body cam and I was selling to the 2024 main event. I was having trouble selling where I was always able to sell in the past. I'm not a crusher but I have decent enough results where I should be able to sell 1.1, but all the big buyers passed on me. My reputation is more or less pristine outside of this incident. I'm not a scammer, I'm not a cheater, and I've never welched on a debt in the almost decade I've been in poker, and I'm honest to a fault. By a miracle I was able to sell out at the last moment on day 2D. I literally ran around the strip the entire afternoon collecting cash and made it to the registration window at 4:49PM just minutes before late reg was over. The cashier counts my money, takes my ID and players card and disappears claiming she needs to verify me. I'm waiting and waiting and assured that I was going to have a seat and everything was fine. A whole 30 mins pass and in come three security people informing me that they made a decision to trespass me from all Caesar's properties. I did not do anything wrong, I was a little jumpy because I had cut it close with the late reg time but I wasn't doing anything that warranted it. They refused to tell me why, I emailed them and they also did not tell me why, just that they don't review trespasses until at least a year goes by.

It seems like these influencers care about nothing above their self interests but act like they are gatekeepers of a game that is pure and fair. They act like they care about scammers and cheaters and right and wrong, but when it comes to something that might make them look bad as a whole it doesn't matter. The person who accused me has been outted in the past by an ex of hers as a thief but there is no fuss about that and this person has gotten every opportunity imaginable in this industry and was allowed to destroy every aspect of my life while everybody looked the other way. I've reached out to at least 15 different people trying to get a fair look at my side of the story. They either ignore me, block me, and on 1 occasion was told they don't want to get involved. I can only imagine the type of nonsense and gossip that has been spread in the background about me and contributed to my reputation sabotage, disintegration of my career, and to my isolation from the wider social community. I've been pushed out of twitter where I spent a lot of time and enjoyed participating in some of the discourse, I've been banned from Caesar's and Wynn, I cannot reasonably play cash anywhere in Las Vegas. Regardless of whether you think I'm innocent or not, this is done in a deliberate manner to sabotage reputations and lives, and it often ends with guys killing themselves. I've been isolated from everything and everybody I worked to be around for the past decade, I've been turned into a leper and I feel as I'm in solitary confinement for over a year. It is a slow form of murder and it's common for women like this to turn everybody against you, spread their false version of reality, exaggerate, cause hysteria, and make the lives of powerless people like myself unlivable.

Save your breathe if you are here to tell me that I deserve what's happening to me, or that I need to let it go, or that I have a victim's mentality. After spending a few months in a group with other men victim to similar false, and exaggerated claims and reading some of the things these guys go through, all I can say is save your time. A lot of them end up committing suicide, a lot of them end up homeless and estranged from everybody they know. What I am going through is torture in a literal sense. I feel as if I have been in solitary confinement for an entire year, with no right to speak in my defense, no right to due proccess, an open pass for people to discriminate against me and treat me however they want. I've been booted from WSOP and Wynn, and I cannot reasonably do my job of 8 years. Nothing I did justifies this. This is a clear depraved indifference for my life, and a pervasive pattern of neglect and abuse. The system happens to give these women a ridiculous amount of power over others, and by rule it will act as a magnet to bad actors and power abusers who know exactly how to cause the most amount of damage. It is not representative of an entire gender and I would not like this to turn into a gender discourse. What happens to men like me is a human rights violation and it should not happen to anybody ever. This needs to stopped somehow because I'm not going to shut up about it and I believe these people can hurt me worse.

The only thing I am here to ask of this forum, is cooperation, in verifying what has happened to me. If it is ok, I'll take as many of you as is possible, the more reputable you are the better, but anybody, and everybody is welcome to DM me and verify the claims I am making. I can't just start dropping names on here so I'd like for this to be done in private until there is a mutual agreement on who is involved and what can be verified and what can't.
I've tried and messaged at least 15 people in the industry to try and get my side looked at to no avail. Was lucky enough to have Jungleman open his DM's to report nefarious activities within the industry, and so I've got the support of Jungleman if I can have my claims verified, so it would go a long way. I have had no doubt since day 1 that I am innocent, that I have been wronged far worse than what you can imagine and that some of the people involved are influential figures in the poker industry and that there is a broad awareness of what happened to me while many have looked the other way. Don't need anything but to be treated like a human being. I've been denied that for over a year and as irreperable of a situation as this is I am going to get fair treatment and people will be held accountable.

15 July 2024 at 08:43 PM
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I think a mod should lock (and maybe even delete) this thread before it gets out of hand. Most of the responses have been measured and respectful of someone that's suffering, but the history of 2+2 says that won't last for long.


just go play poker online or anywhere you can that doesn’t go against the restraining order and log off social medias buddy, wtf is this


I see she warned you about the restraining order and the implications you would not be able to play at the casinos and im going to assume you didn't stop tough luck you should probably take threats seriously in the future


Ok I actually read it all fml. did you or did you not send her dms after mar 29th. Because if you did nothing else matters and everything that happened after is self inflicted.

edit looked a bit more if fgs is your twitter handle Jesus ****ing Christ get some help it doesn't matter what happened after put yourself in her shoes I would say anything to get a restraining order agaist you ya mods should lock this up.
Also you could just stop bringing it up and it would probably go away. but you know choices


Wtf, buddy you are insane with all those messages.

Seek professional help, live healthy lifestyle, move to a city or country where no one can recognize you at the poker table and try to get better. If you are able to fix your head you probably can come back to Vegas in the future and apologize to everyone.

You deserve to be in a mental hospital and you have no business in Vegas poker tables, if your brain seriously cant understand how insane those messages to her are, and whatever else you have done. But those messages alone are enough.


Don’t private message someone you don’t know. You DM’d her hundreds of times without her ever replying. That is not normal or acceptable behavior. The poker community will be better off with you banned.


Well this guy clearly lost it maybe around or after covid. Anyone know him because hes a Vegas reg, how he used to be?

His post history is normal stuff in the past but this year he made first schizo post about some Fibonacci numbers(??) that will determine Main Event champion to be something special or smthing like that.

Well hope he can heal himself with some help or at least get to a level where he is not harassing or being a threat to anyone.


You say a bunch of irrelevant nonsense like you never cheated anyone in poker or she stole money from someone else.

Even if both of those things are 100 percent true that has nothing to do with you constantly harassing her with an absurd amount of unwanted messages among other things.

You weren't wronged in any way. You need help and hopefully you learn from this.


I also asked the mods to lock and anonymize this thread for the OP’s own good.
OP, I would suggest you ask the mods if the thread can be deleted.
Please believe everyone who is telling you that further publicizing this is of no benefit to you.


Just saw that pokerfraudalert thread... Dude you ARE stalking her, even though the vast majority is happening online and not IRL.

If you are indeed seriously posting this thread because you genuinely believe you are being wronged you need to go to counseling. You have some big interpersonal issues to get hung up on someone you dont even know like this.

And yea this thread should definitely be locked. Hopefully the responses might help OP realize hes in the wrong and steer him towards letting this go, but he seems to live in a fantasy world.


Hi, this is Tuma from the twoplustwo forums. We'd like to take a closer look at your case, but will require sufficient cliffs notes in order to move forward.


Read the whole OP/thread and quite a bit of the link you posted OP.

Another vote for the Admins/Mods too lock or delete this thread for the OP's own good.

OP please get help you don't need or want to make this situation anymore public or well known then it already is you have already made it bad and hard enough on yourself. To keep going with this will only make worse. Listen to all the advice you've been given so far it really is good advice and the best way forward. And stop ****ing stalking people FFS.

There's plenty of places/states/countries to go grind away at poker, keep your head down and make a living.

Cheers!!!


Isn't the game of poker one giant human rights violation?

Players exploiting each other's tendencies. It's quite common to wish your opponents unwell, and them in turn wishing you unwell.

Really makes you think.


The punishment doesn't fit the crime unless someone has further proof I'm not seeing. Is it wrong? Yes. Is it wrong on a level for restraining order? Only if she asked him to stop directly (through text or in person).

My opinion: If he's less than 27 or so; he gets a free pass for being a loser and messaging her that many times. If he's much older than that; the restraining order should likely stand; as he should know better.

I'm way more lenient with this if he's younger than if he's older.


The absolute #1 most positive move you can make in your life is to stop talking about this woman, stop posting about her, never contact her again, stop trying to drum up sympathy for your situation, and stop hanging out in online groups for Unjustly Persecuted Men. I don't know how the law works with restraining orders but it seems plausible that this thread could be seen as evidence of further harassment. You need to stop all of this before you get thrown in jail.

Based on the [lack of] evidence provided by you in this thread, and the evidence provided by the other person on Twitter from 2023, she is absolutely justified in considering you dangerous and getting a restraining order against you. No one who reads that thread is going to think otherwise. You need to accept that you did something wrong and are suffering consequences for doing something wrong. You need to accept that, even if you think your punishment is disproportionate to your crime. Seek psychiatric treatment for your condition, and don't attempt to engage in relationships with women until you have. If you can't play poker in Vegas any more, move to LA, or do something else with your life. It is possible to pull yourself out of this nosedive before it's too late.


[QUOTE=Kebabkungen;58644489.....]You have some big interpersonal issues to get hung up on someone you dont even know like this....[/QUOTE]

He's not hung up on her....that's a very gross misrepresentation of what was said.

He originally messaged her like a loser. I think we all agree there.

He then tried cutting ties and being respectful about it; and people jumped in calling him all sorts of names.

I guess it's easier to gossip than to seek to understand, you absolute ****ing hyenas.

My advice to him is to cut all contact; don't mention her even. Once law is involved; it doesn't matter what the truth is; you have to play by their rules.


is Lucy’s Fur a 2nd account of niko?


I was just about to ask the same. Lucy GTFO. He didnt try to cut any ties because there wasnt any. He just keeped harassing her and is clearly a schizo in need of help. There is no way any normal people would ever think otherwise about this case after seeing those messages.


by Lucy's Fur k

The punishment doesn't fit the crime unless someone has further proof I'm not seeing. Is it wrong? Yes. Is it wrong on a level for restraining order? Only if she asked him to stop directly (through text or in person).

My opinion: If he's less than 27 or so; he gets a free pass for being a loser and messaging her that many times. If he's much older than that; the restraining order should likely stand; as he should know better.

I'm way more lenient with this if he's younger than if he's older.

Before you edited your response, you were claiming to have read the whole thing and siding with OP. You also said that had she requested he leave her alone, he should have. Then you rant about a biased system skewed against men.

He appears to be 31 or 32 based on what he wrote and the dates he provided. Had you actually read everything and the Poker Fraud Alert article, you would know this.

She had asked him several times to stop messaging her and leave her alone. Again, had you actually read everything as you claim you have, you would know this.

Either you’re lying about reading it all or you’re allowing your own bias to cloud any reasonable judgement you may have. Of course, there’s always the possibility that you also have no reasonable judgement.

I agree that men don’t always get a fair shake in a court of law. But if you read what he wrote and put yourself in her shoes, it’s pretty clear who the aggressor is and why she was fearful of this guy to the point of filing a restraining order.

It really is indefensible.


by Xenoblade k

is Lucy’s Fur a 2nd account of niko?

That's ridiculous; I'd like you to stop.

How am I supposed to respond to that? I am not Niko; I am LucysFur, I play on Global Poker. I do not play anywhere else; but I am considering playing Live in the state I live (NY).

How can I play live in NY when it's illegal? Indian reservation casinos.

I'd not know that if I lived in vegas; I don't think many people know about our Indian reservations in NY. They aren't exactly marked on a map.


by Dr. Meh k

Before you edited your response, you were claiming to have read the whole thing and siding with OP. You also said that had she requested he leave her alone, he should have. Then you rant about a biased system skewed against men.

He appears to be 31 or 32 based on what he wrote and the dates he provided. Had you actually read everything and the Poker Fraud Alert article, you would know this.

She had asked him several times to stop messaging her and leave her alone. Again, had you actually read ever

Ok, well the reason I deleted it is for reasons not highlighted in your reply. I didn't want to speculate; nor did I want him to mistakenly think it gives the OK for what he did.

I said I read through his story, and hers. I didn't read every comment in the poker fraud article. I also looked at the twitter feeds.

You can keep writing things about me if you want; but you're doing so to be petty. You're making valid points; then ending them by insulting me. Not really advisable if you want me to agree with you.


Even if I’d sent her 10k messages that is not what matters. Both from a legal and moral standpoint.

Hi OP, as someone who doesn't know you, the other person, or the drama between you, this message alone proves that you are 100% in the wrong, and probably do indeed have severe mental health problems. It's amazing you can win at poker while having no grip on reality.


by MTTg k

I was just about to ask the same. Lucy GTFO. He didnt try to cut any ties because there wasnt any. He just keeped harassing her and is clearly a schizo in need of help. There is no way any normal people would ever think otherwise about this case after seeing those messages.

Wah wah wah; I'm so over people crying because I gave people the benefit of the doubt.


by Lucy's Fur k

Wah wah wah; I'm so over people crying because I gave people the benefit of the doubt.

Did you read the messages? This is like that show "Baby Reindeer". Hope he gets help.


It's times like these that make me happy I don't have a vagina.

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