PokerOK (Russian GGPoker skin) CEO went fully unhinged. Stables / winning players banned.
Ivan Briskin, CEO of PokerOK (official skin of GGNetwork) declared a war against poker stables.
Here are two main posts (combined into one) he left on a russian speaking poker forum gipsyteam. I will link the original thread, overall 101 message has been posted by Ivan before he asked for his account to be blocked.
Original thread - https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?vie...
I would also like to mention that just recently PokerOK for some reason decided to increase withdrawal fee for Luxon from 1 to 3% while GGnetwork had not idea about it.
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Edit/MH: See also: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... and https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
Wtf actually based as Fook. Stables are currently the biggest cancer to low to mid stakes, RTA not even close
It's interesting to finally get some information on the leaders of GGPoker and their motives. I suggest everyone to go translate the whole article on the main page of GipsyTeam.
This topic has not been that popular here but on GipsyTeam all hell has been loose.
It's interesting to finally get some information on the leaders of GGPoker and their motives. I suggest everyone to go translate the whole article on the main page of GipsyTeam.
This topic has not been that popular here but on GipsyTeam all hell has been loose.
So GG doesn’t want anyone to win long term. That's been clear for a while now
I don’t get how this makes business sense. There are usually 5/6 regs at a table at least at 200nl and above.
If the regs learn they can’t win there and stop playing or it drops to 3 regs/ 3 fish the site rakes less. The fish will lose their money slower but I can’t see that meaning more games run, less games will run = less rake.
I don’t get how this makes business sense. There are usually 5/6 regs at a table at least at 200nl and above.
If the regs learn they can’t win there and stop playing or it drops to 3 regs/ 3 fish the site rakes less. The fish will lose their money slower but I can’t see that meaning more games run, less games will run = less rake.
yea i think some people forget that while most players are recs/fish most of the volume comes from regs. Joe the truck driver isn't playing 400K+ hands a year. Leonard the gto nerd who GG apparently hates is.
Even fish are attracted to the idea of poker being a profitable game. All pros originally started out as fish/whales.
The idea that poker will attract the same amount of players minus the professionals when it becomes an unbeatable game is just nonsensical.
Even fish are attracted to the idea of poker being a profitable game. All pros originally started out as fish/whales.
The idea that poker will attract the same amount of players minus the professionals when it becomes an unbeatable game is just nonsensical.
I agree but GG has a dream and it sounds like they're hellbent on pursuing it.
Stables are a cancer on poker so good riddance.
Card sharing, Ghosting,Data mining etc are all rife with these scumbags.
If you are associated with one you should be banned from online poker
Same BS with these apps, sites that Galfond and JNandez run
Clearly set up to run while playing games.
FFS nandez had a preflop/flop thing on discord long ago that took 10 secs and ppl were definitely using that while playing.
If you aren't cheating or spending your life studying then you are far behind these days.
I guess I missed the "unhinged" part.
Stables are a cancer on poker so good riddance.
Card sharing, Ghosting,Data mining etc are all rife with these scumbags.
If you are associated with one you should be banned from online poker
Same BS with these apps, sites that Galfond and JNandez run
Clearly set up to run while playing games.
FFS nandez had a preflop/flop thing on discord long ago that took 10 secs and ppl were definitely using that while playing.
If you aren't cheating or spending your life studying then you are far behind these days
Sure but you do realize Ivan said he wants to get rid of all winning players and make it so its impossible to win long term
I agree with the notion that sites should do what they can to ban every one who is part of a stable. The correlation between being part of a stable and cheating (collusion, ghosting, HH sharing, using datamined hands for analysis) is literally 1.
The idea that fun playing gamblers would "love" poker if it was at an expected 96% return to player is moronic. The other casino games are catered towards generating constant dopamine hits. If given the choice between playing poker at a maximum 96% return or a random online slot machine, it makes absolutely 0 sense to pick poker. People play poker based on the idea that they can earn money by outplaying the other players - if that goes away poker will die very quickly.
It shouldn't be controversial at all to ban coaches and players connected to stables, since pretty much all stables are open about using datamined hands for MDA, which is against the rules of most/all sites.
The day poker coaching moved from a seasoned player just taking someone under their wing to a classroom-like environment, whether that be online or live, with a coach/teacher, online poker was eventually doomed. Live, cash game poker is the only true form of poker left imo.
Stables are a pure cancer that let a few people at the top suck out a ton of money from the poker ecosystem. And that's before you factor in things like collusion and data mining.
Stables are an excuse. Every winning reg will be wiped from the platform. Not a single stable that is being specifically targeted here is guilty of cheating. On the counter, russian community and specifically people like TylerRM were the ones who caught superuser on GG.
Just few hours ago a zoom call with CEO and stable owners happened. And it didn't go well at all. I might go through highlights and translate them.
Stables are an excuse. Every winning reg will be wiped from the platform. Not a single stable that is being specifically targeted here is guilty of cheating. On the counter, russian community and specifically people like TylerRM were the ones who caught superuser on GG.
Just few hours ago a zoom call with CEO and stable owners happened. And it didn't go well at all. I might go through highlights and translate them.
Stable member detected lmao. Why the f would anyone defend stables? Bunch of cheaters, literally all of them.
I don’t get how this makes business sense. There are usually 5/6 regs at a table at least at 200nl and above.
If the regs learn they can’t win there and stop playing or it drops to 3 regs/ 3 fish the site rakes less. The fish will lose their money slower but I can’t see that meaning more games run, less games will run = less rake.
I dont get how anyone can read what Ivan said and come away with the conclusion that he's only coming after stables but hey several people in this thread have done just that.