PokerOK (Russian GGPoker skin) CEO went fully unhinged. Stables / winning players banned.

PokerOK (Russian GGPoker skin) CEO went fully unhinged. Stables / winning players banned.

Ivan Briskin, CEO of PokerOK (official skin of GGNetwork) declared a war against poker stables.

Here are two main posts (combined into one) he left on a russian speaking poker forum gipsyteam. I will link the original thread, overall 101 message has been posted by Ivan before he asked for his account to be blocked.
Original thread - https://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?vie...

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Dear stables. Today our ambassadors were at the round table. I will only communicate with Vea and Tio (Artem Vezhenkov and Gleb Tremzin, famous russian regs, both have running stables) from now on.
You don't understand normal language. You are listening to the wonderful Nikitin (Sergey Nikitin, person with a questionable reputation, had few notable beefs).
Fine. There will be no more negotiations. Good luck. go straight to 2+2. Fiat lab (russian stable) you will now be banned from playing on GG. Goodbye. You decided to play games with me. Felt strong. GG has always been only for amateurs. Good luck to you in your struggle. And don’t think about offering me any shares and this is crap. Everything was told to you clearly today, you are no longer welcome here. I've been wanting to sort out online stables for a long time. This is just the beginning. I also sincerely apologize to ordinary players who will be affected by all this. Our efficiency is 80%. stables think they are smarter than everyone else. Fine. Do you think I need money? OK. You think I’m a nobody and weak because I treated you kindly and talked to you. Stables are prohibited from playing poker, period. Take the money and get out. If you come back, we will find you and the measures will be stricter. And most importantly, I would not advise you to run to other rooms on the network. And then you will get what you deserve. I kept thinking you were businessmen. That we can find common ground and let the stable graduates play for fun. As discussed at the meeting today. But you don’t hear a normal approach and concern for the regulars who will suffer. Ok, I heard you very well. Let Inner or Minthon, Vea or Gleb(Ti0) lay out the entire ultimatum and position. FunFarm(one of the biggest russian speaking stables) next.

First of all, we emphasize that our position is known and agreed with the GGPoker network. The leadership fully supports our stance.
Let's move on to our requirements. The activity of stables on PokerOK and GGPoker will be stopped completely. This applies to both the game and any marketing manifestations: advertising of stables from streamers who cooperate with PokerOK, promotion on social networks, advertising in the media, publications about the successes and winnings of your players. You must not play on PokerOK and must not advertise training, playing or backing on PokerOK (Telegram is considered your personal channel)
You must publicly declare that you understand and accept the position of our room and our network and leave the sites. The text of the application must be agreed upon with our representative.
If any of your players express a desire to cease cooperation with the stable, leave the stable and never work with any stable again, we agree to reconsider our restrictive measures. Let us emphasize: this applies only to those players who permanently cease cooperation with the stable. If we learn that this player continues to participate in the stable (whether from any public sources or using our analytics tools), the most stringent measures will be taken against him

You should understand that our decision to fight stables was made solely to protect the interests of poker fans. We are interested in maintaining our strategy in the gaming community, promoting poker and supporting the right to equality and the right to win for all players. We do not want our restrictions to affect regulars and players who are not members of the stables. We don't want to ruin your students' “poker dream” and the opportunity to make money from poker. Therefore, you will have to give us lists of those players who are leaving or have graduated from the stables who want to play honestly on our site. We do not want restrictions to affect players who do not cooperate with the stables, so we will remove the restrictions from them and from your graduates. We will support players who love and appreciate PokerOK, who want to win rings and bracelets, who are ready to sign that they play fairly. If they come from stables, we will be happy to continue cooperation with them at the media level (for example: commenting on major series). This also applies to stable owners. We believe that we preach one goal - the development of poker, so we will continue to cooperate in the name of popularizing the discipline. We have no need to develop conflict.
To summarize. Stables have to leave PokerOK and GG, publicly announce their agreement with the position and their departure from PokerOK and GG, and stop all media activities related to PokerOK and GG, coordinating your posts with our representative. PokerOK, in turn, is ready to remove limits from players who stop participating in the stables. If these players are found to be continuing to collaborate with the stables, we will take immediate action against these players. This was at the round table today. two stables took care of their players. The rest automatically refused without coming. Tio, Vea Minton and Inner are witnesses.

I would also like to mention that just recently PokerOK for some reason decided to increase withdrawal fee for Luxon from 1 to 3% while GGnetwork had not idea about it.

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Edit/MH: See also: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... and https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

02 April 2024 at 03:36 PM
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by nootaboos k

Couple of HH/note sharing stables on GG continually call ALL my overbet jams on flop (which vs them is now only ever value) - took me a few wtf’s to figure out what was going on initially.

Now it’s just comedy. Guess they don’t all update/synch notes like they are supposed too lol.

How can you share GG notes? Technically. Screen names are anonymized, notes you can't even download or share like you can on Stars.


Oh let me give you detailed instructions!

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by 8gameisfun k

I think what many people here don't see is that this is not about potential cheating or abuse.

GG has simply determined that, much like excessive bumhunting in cashgames, stables pooling their knowledge, information and money is too predatory in the MTT world. And they are right.

Many of you here don't seem to remember what PokerStars looked like when they still had HU cash, seating scripts, cartels in HUSNGs and later spins etc. They tried to circumvent it first, tried King of the Hill for cashga

yeah the sad thing is that we as a poker community just fail to make sure the games have some longevity.

There will always be a few that are looking to use the most predatory means to bolster their pockets short term.

right around the time the cartels took over i just stopped playing. I was very vocal on here in explaining how bad of an idea the implementation of cartels is and that this will be the death of heads up. People didn't want to listen and look where we are at now.

I dont think there is a single husng reg left who doesn't bot or use rta.

From my perception it always seemed as if the russian regs were the most toxic and just straight up bad for a game. The stables turn their attention to a speciffic game type churn out hundreds of competent players, share hand histories and so on and in relatively little time the games get sucked dry.

Now this CEO dude sounds like a total douche but honestly it feels like you have brought this on yourself.


Talking about stables and ghosting. Do you guys think the Sunday Mil anniversary winner was playing by himself at the end? CrossBreed17 - Brazilian low stakes player, max MTT win 1.1k before that.


poker is a game of individuals vs individuals, so if they only ban stables, it is actually good news. But if they use it as an excuse to ban also winning players thats dangerous.


From time to time some weird people invite me to their discord channels and offer all types of HH databases. All of them are english speaking. But yeah, russians are evil, others are just cute little bunnies with halos.
I was a member of an international spins school at some point, there was of course no ghosting or any of this cheat ****. They collected our HHs to detect some field tendencies, but they didn't give us that whole database to use at the tables. Same as in most russian schools. I know about just one that shared hh database. You can't have lots of members, do something shady and keep it a secret because people talk lol. Also 'we promote fair play' is just a better marketing than 'let's get together and cheat'.
I supported boycott of Stars when they robbed supernovas even though I was just a noob playing 25 cents mtsngs. Many people back then were like yay, now all the regs will leave, we'll be rich!
Stopped playing on GG now too.
Huge respect to BBZ for his response to all thic circus. That IMO is the best way to promote his business, even though it wasn't his goal here.


Olbore, stop yur propaganda here. Yes, Russians are bad for the game cause their ethic is zero. I have a stable, a big one, and one thing i cant tell you for sure is that Russian and Brazilian teams are one of the worst things for the game. I hope sites ban you all. Do a site for bots, russians, brazilians, so you can run your bots, and ghost your players vs each other.



I guess this is as official statement as we are gonna get anytime soon?

Tldr drunken Russian goes on power trip exaggerating against stables. GG comes in and says We are merely trying to identify Stables who are colluding, ghosting, EV sharing in poker and not acually ban the ones following the rules

Its not good but untill they actually do something what can we really do.

The most interesting part is it seems gg is actually going to start making people disclose their staking deals. Which is probably actually a good thing if it was not entwinned with this poop storm

edit. oh I reread it. seems like they are still trying to ban staking not in client as an excuse to control staking and not actually simply going to let you disclose the info but forcing you to "stake" in client. So they are just being lazy or using it as an excuse


by Pagasses... k

Olbore, stop yur propaganda here. Yes, Russians are bad for the game cause their ethic is zero. I have a stable, a big one, and one thing i cant tell you for sure is that Russian and Brazilian teams are one of the worst things for the game. I hope sites ban you all. Do a site for bots, russians, brazilians, so you can run your bots, and ghost your players vs each other.

Nice trick, accuse the whole NATION of something, if anyone argues, call it propaganda. Isn't that also some type of propaganda? You have a huge stable, you are saying that cheating is normal for other stables, maybe that means you personally are not that much against cheating. For some people cheating is not a normal thing. It has nothing to do with their nationality. Every nation has its cheaters, scammers and so on.

FYI according to the information we have now, all this war on stables has nothing to do with cheating. GG wants them to 'fix' their deposits/withdrawals ratio, that's all. So gl to your huge stable, try not to win a lot. 'More rake is better' all over again.


by Pagasses... k

I have a stable, a big one

by Pagasses... k

Russian and Brazilian teams are one of the worst things for the game.

How ironic. Go play on WokerStars if you hate Russians so much.


https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-6037...

Doesn't mean all Russians are hackers and cyber cheats but clearly most hackers and cyber cheats are russians


by Pagasses... k

Olbore, stop yur propaganda here. Yes, Russians are bad for the game cause their ethic is zero. I have a stable, a big one, and one thing i cant tell you for sure is that Russian and Brazilian teams are one of the worst things for the game. I hope sites ban you all. Do a site for bots, russians, brazilians, so you can run your bots, and ghost your players vs each other.

I hope the sites ban you as well. You are no better than the russians and brazilians, you just dont want other cheaters to compete with.


I am still seeing BBZ and all the rest of the stable cheaters.

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