Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here
how bad must he be when a girl falls asleep while making out and snores right after?
life fish..... food arrived but didn
This thread is beyond tragic with this post a highlight, every couple days I think there might be something interesting and there never is.
You seriously need to let go and find a new hobby buddy
The guy has crushed life more than any of us could ever dream of , who cares about the semantics
I agree
Probably just a mincash in the 10K razz. He is one of several microstacks getting anteed down at the bubble, but shorter stacks than his.
Yeah, cashed, but likely out soon.
Part of the issue is that many poker operators listened to the wrong customers, those poker nerds. They would push for everything to be in their favor.Cash games: Deeper buyins, unlimited straddles, match the stackTournaments: (this is really the industry and the grinders) multi-day, multi-flight, multi-bag, unlimited rebuys and top-heavy payoutsThese are all things that fun
Fantastic post. I agree 100 percent with all of this. I’ll add that max late reg running so late is another horrible tournament development that favors pros. It’s infuriating and it exists only for the benefit of deep rolled pros who don’t want to waste their time actually playing poker and trying to accumulate chips. Instead, fire a buyin not far from the money and see if you can spin it up. And why not? It’s only an extra bullet and you’ve got plenty of those.
Recreational players are what creates the prize pools and generate the vast majority of the rake. They are what keep the rooms, and the tournaments directors, and the professional players in the money. And yet their interests are typically the last consideration. Of course, rec players do share some of the blame. They are drawn like moths to the flame by the huge guarantees that are possible only because of five starting flights and unlimited rebuys.
Yeah, he may go to 25K PLO and if he busts early then the10K HORSE. He would probably do better heading straight to HORSE.
Yeah, he almost always goes deep in a bunch of events. Some people here and elsewhere on the Internet twist it to present it negatively.
They make the big prize pools with small buyins multiflight to attract recreationals. The recs are where the money comes from, but they usually aren't at the final table, because the pros are better players. It doesn't matter how they structure the tournaments.
They make the big prize pools with small buyins multiflight to attract recreationals. The recs are where the money comes from, but they usually aren't at the final table, because the pros are better players. It doesn't matter how they structure the tournaments.
It does matter how they structure tournaments. As a room operator, money finding its way into the pockets of the fun recreational players should be a top priority, you want them to keep coming back as much as possible, which is easier to accomplish if they are allowed to win once in awhile.
But if Joe Q public manages to bust Phil Ivey once in a tournament, but Ivey has unlimited lives, Joe Q Public ain't gonna bust him five times.
There's too many advantages that funnel the majority of the money too quickly into the pockets of the best players. You need to shear the sheep, not slaughter them.
And yes, I get it from a marketing perspective. Low buyin, big guarantee, it's like a lottery ticket and many players eat that up.
I'm still a fan of freezeouts, or a concept I call "The Return of the Drawing Dead".
Everyone pays one entry fee for a tournament, but gets three lives. If you bust before end of registration, you use a token to get back in. At the end of registration, any unused tokens are converted into chips that are added to your stack.
Now everyone is on an even footing, you aren't competing with a pro who can fire five bullets to your one.
The issue is a little overblown, recs won’t win as often because there is a lower concentration of them in terms of entries but when they did go far and win they will win more money.
If you polled recs I think most would accept this trade off. Collusus wouldn’t feel same with 70% less entries and much less for first. The allure is to turn $500 into over a half million.
If Joe Q busts Phil Ivey, Phil is gone from table and if he rebuys he’s adding to prizepool.
Yeah, he may go to 25K PLO and if he busts early then the10K HORSE. He would probably do better heading straight to HORSE.
Yeah, he almost always goes deep in a bunch of events. Some people here and elsewhere on the Internet twist it to present it negatively.
He probably should, but that 400 person field in a $25k is way too juicy to pass up.
Lost most of his stack in the $25K PLO and 95th of 105, 74 places paying.
Back to 63rd after doubling up when his 3! with bad aces was called.
46th of 86th, 74 paying in $25K PLO. This should raise his 21st rank in player of the year. Ivey, Haxton, and Alex Foxen among the leaders.
Cashed in the 10K limit holdem, 250K NLHE, 10K razz, and 25K PLO. I think 4 for 4 in tournaments he entered in a row. Pretty good for an amateur. Probably going to late register the 10K HORSE today.
Not sure if I missed it or not, but Dnegs fired FOURTEEN bullets in the unlimited re-entry Plossus event on WSOP and finished up in 31st place.
Not sure if I missed it or not, but Dnegs fired FOURTEEN bullets in the unlimited re-entry Plossus event on WSOP and finished up in 31st place.
This was on the vlog a couple days ago. It seemed like he didn’t even know it was a PKO event until he was at the table. Must be nice!
That's the natural evolution of all markets, once the nerds see there is money to be made they are going to come in and make it suck.
You could probably make good money day trading 30-50 years ago just by being a intelligent person, still doing blow on the side not crunching numbers 24 hours a day and building Ai bots. Basically making money taking advantage of the people trading based on fear and greed.
Point being all markets are a race to the bottom unfortunately.
Getting in very early is key, having solid intelligence and intuition before things become more solved. Be it stock market, crypto, poker, online resale etc
They make the big prize pools with small buyins multiflight to attract recreationals. The recs are where the money comes from, but they usually aren't at the final table, because the pros are better players. It doesn't matter how they structure the tournaments.
It does matter how they structure tournaments. As a room operator, money finding its way into the pockets of the fun r
For cash games I agree. Too many promos at casinos favor grinders which is incredibly stupid. For tournaments a lot of the appeal to recs is big prize pools.
Your average rec who plays 25ks very well may have more ability to fire 5 bullets than an average pro playing them. So I don't think I'd agree with that assertion in all cases.
For cash games I agree. Too many promos at casinos favor grinders which is incredibly stupid. For tournaments a lot of the appeal to recs is big prize pools.
Your average rec who plays 25ks very well may have more ability to fire 5 bullets than an average pro playing them. So I don't think I'd agree with that assertion in all cases.
I'm not talking about 25K high-roller events, I'm talking about events for "the masses" who have to compete with someone firing all the shells when the rec has 1-2 bullets and thus is at a big disadvantage in having a shot at winning an event because of the unlimited rebuys, multi-flight, multi-bag, etc.
For cash games I agree. Too many promos at casinos favor grinders which is incredibly stupid. For tournaments a lot of the appeal to recs is big prize pools.
Your average rec who plays 25ks very well may have more ability to fire 5 bullets than an average pro playing them. So I don't think I'd agree with that assertion in all cases.
Favoring grinders is really stupid.
With tournaments recs want the big prize pools. Id actually like to something like late reg stopping way earlier than it currently does since so much of max late regs are just grinders sucking up the built in ev of that.but you can still allow rebuys for a while. You don't have to end them both at the same time. And with everyone raving about how good the wsop has been there's a lot less of a reason to allow people to register so late.
Not sure if I missed it or not, but Dnegs fired FOURTEEN bullets in the unlimited re-entry Plossus event on WSOP and finished up in 31st place.
Probably not $EV+, but if you are playing for bracelets and player of the year points ...
Not sure if I missed it or not, but Dnegs fired FOURTEEN bullets in the unlimited re-entry Plossus event on WSOP and finished up in 31st place.
It was on the vlog. At one point, if I recall correctly, he said it literally did not matter what his cards were he just wanted to keep going all in until he built a stack. He lost a bunch of hands this way until he finally won one, so he successfully rich manned the field.
For cash games I agree. Too many promos at casinos favor grinders which is incredibly stupid. For tournaments a lot of the appeal to recs is big prize pools.
Your average rec who plays 25ks very well may have more ability to fire 5 bullets than an average pro playing them. So I don't think I'd agree with that assertion in all cases.
Total Oxymoronic statement. Average rec doesn't even think about playing $25Ks.
The nonPros who play those, who also probably have 100% of themselves likely CAN better afford multiple bullets but less likely they WILL
I'm not talking about 25K high-roller events, I'm talking about events for "the masses" who have to compete with someone firing all the shells when the rec has 1-2 bullets and thus is at a big disadvantage in having a shot at winning an event because of the unlimited rebuys, multi-flight, multi-bag, etc.
So if you were put in charge of the WSOP you would turn the Collossus into a one entry freezeout?
So if you were put in charge of the WSOP you would turn the Collossus into a one entry freezeout?
there shouldn't even be $500 events at the WSOP
