My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL

Subbed, GL

Thanks buddy

Playing another NL50 session, not going good so far, will post the results after

There are not many good tables at NL50 compared to NL25, fishes lose fast and leave, tables which i join become reg heavy in no time and i need to leave to find new tables with a fish

Goal is to build enough bankroll to play NL50 and NL100 together because there will be more tables to choose from, on GG highest limit is NL100 for 9max tables there is not higher limit than NL100 so prolly if i reach enough bankroll i will stay there quite a while

You're probably using the wrong PT4 stat, Rake Contributed should be correct.

GL!

So you're saying that PT shows wrong rake stats? i had same thought at first but tested and it was correct, sure i will do one more test, before i start next session i will write how much $ i have on balance and after the session will count

Terrible session, i need to make some adjustments, bankroll is now 1082$

I will do now some rake tests, I'm interested too if PT4 is right about the rake.

For test i played 131 hand of NL10, start balance was 1082.12$

GGs PokerCraft shows that i won 0.51$ (no rake included)

But actually my balance after 131 hands is $1079.23

Balance difference -2.89$

Now I imported 131 hands to PT4, somehow when i import hands to PT4 it always shows few more hands than actually is, imported 131 hands and it shows 136 hands, it's a bug i guess. always like that

It shows -2.84$ loss, so it's 99.9% accurately matches with my balance difference, so i can trust PT4 about that

Also PT4 shows that its -20.88BB/100 loss so now tell me if i won 0.51$ as PokerCraft shows how the hell im missing -2.89$, that must be a rake right? so 2.89$ for 131 hands is 0.22$ per hand which is 2.2$ per 100 hand aka 22BB/100 but PT4 shows rake was not 2.89$ but 2.54$ somewhat 18BB/100 im little confused here but pretty confident overall counting my balance difference and doing some maths that rake is definitely over 18-20BB+ per 100 hand, well my 9max ante games and my 3bet is over 16% must be a factor

I did some test on NL10 6max to compare the rake but this time i tried my best to not 3bet and play normally, played 357 hands

Pokercraft shows -16.71$ (without rake)
My start balance was 1079.23$
Balance now 1057.58$
Balance difference -21.65$

PT4 shows -21.65$ which100% accurately matches with my balance difference

Also it shows rake: 4.34$

Pokercraft showed -16.71$ loss, actually my balance difference was -21.65$, so in reality 4.94$ is missing from the balance which must be a rake right? confusing

If we count 4.94$ per 357 hand it's 0.013 per hand, which is 1.38$ per 100 hand, which is 13.8BB rake per 100 hand

But if we take 4.34$ as PT4 showed than rake is 12BB per 100 hand

Conclusion:

I'm pretty confident that 9max games are raked as high as 18BB per 100 hand this is minimum in my opinion, can be as high as 22BB per 100 hand and 6 max games 12BB per 100 hand it can be up to 14BB per 100 hand depends on playing style i guess because preflop 3bets are raked

I've played about 150k hands 6-max NL10 and NL25 over the last few months on GG and I use PT4 as well. My 3-bet is about 10%, VPIP 25 and RFI 20.

I think there's something off with your rake calculations or PT4. NL10 my rake was 10.4 and NL25 is 9.2 bb/100. Promotions etc. not included ofc.

How many times did you say you've got some BBJ money? So far I have received exactly zero dollars and a friend of mine has witnessed it triggered once at the same table over more than half a million hands.

GL to the grind mate!

What was your reasoning behind such a small cold 4-bet sizing? I do know there is some merit in downsizing deep stacked, but in this case I don't see the SB 3-bettor folding virtually anything in their 3-bet range given the odds you are giving them.

Just curious...

What was your reasoning behind such a small cold 4-bet sizing? I do know there is some merit in downsizing deep stacked, but in this case I don't see the SB 3-bettor folding virtually anything in their 3-bet range given the odds you are giving them.

Just curious...

10.4BB rake per 100 hand for 6max sounds correct for me but i expect it to be more, well i will see with large samples later on, i think PT4 works same for everyone no?

About BBJ overall i got like 5 from where 4 was when i got just a share and 1 was when i was the actual guy who beat the other guy who got the main BBJ, 3 of them i got during my first 50k hands so i thought it comes very often but lately i played a lot and there was no bbj overall like 200k+ hands played so rough estimate can be one BBJ per 40k hands? idk

I would happily call here since i got no position but i don't like calling since i want to be aggressor and have initiative, i dont want to large 4-bet here since first raise comes from UTG position and players at this stakes are nitty so if utg shoves all in i have to fold my AK, min. 4bet raise is to test both utg and btn raisers and define their range, if someone 5bets here i can safely fold AK since i know their nitty tendencies, they will have AA or KK, i know i lost fold equity with this such a small raise but i can still pressure opponent in later streets thats my plan and if UTG raiser was weak i can isolate BTN raiser and go heads up with him in flop, lets say if i 4-bet larger lets say 24-30BB range and BTN called, i would miss flop like 2/3 times with AK and pot would be like 50-60BB already so even if i CBET half the pot lets say 25BB, on turn pot would be like 100-110BB and here i wound't know what to do, give up or shove, pots escalate pretty quickly when playing 200BB stacks so i prefer to keep pots small even if i lose some fold equity i have strategy to pressure opponents on later streets

Total 5,332 hands played lately on NL50, rake seems 20BB per 100 hand, I'm struggling to be a winner here tho idk maybe until i make some major adjustments i can move down to NL25 for a while, mainly what problem i have on NL50 is that playerbase is more call happy and my total aggression goes through the roof, i sometimes become maniac but not actually manic my VPIP stays at 19% but my 3bets and overall aggression is uncontrollable, on NL25 i can get away with it since people tend to fold more but i think on NL50 i need more calculated aggression to pre setup them from the flop to the river

Guys, he plays the ante games with 200bb from what I see in PT4.
So he`s playing those full ring games where the rake is absurdly big.

Yeah I would practically never just call here either. What if you went with like a 20 BB 4-bet here and then re-evaluate based on the specific villain when you face a 5-bet? I think NL25+ you are starting to see players who are more than capable enough to have bluffs in their 5-betting range against a very LAG villain like you with these stack depths, and therefore you can probably find profitable or indifferent 6-bet jams with AKo. You still have 38% equity against their very nitty QQ+, AKo 5-betting range, way over 40% if they adjust their ranges against you.

Anyways GL in the games, enjoy the journey!

20BB 4-bet maybe would be good yeah, UTG raiser probably would fold and BTN would still call but i play 9 tables at the same time so i'm making fast decisions not thinking much about to be very precise in every situation, just i try to avoid mediocre 3-bets with hands like AK, 20BB+ 4-bet enters in a danger zone imo, because for 3-bettor to call another 10BB is easy and maybe he will flop a set and i will be in tough situation to fold there, either i prefer to use small size or big size like 33BB so if he calls that 33BB i can play for my whole stack and not fold but 20BB is in that zone when you will regret if he flops a set, but 15BB min. 4-bet is in that zone you may still fold to a raise if he flops a set

5-bet bluffs not existent on NL25 from my experience, not even on NL50, some NL50 regs are starting to add suited aces like A2s-A5s to their 4-bet bluff range but 5-bet bluffs are probably after 100NL and higher, from my experience if a reg 5-bets on NL25 best scenario is I'm against QQ or AK but rarely, most of the cases I'm against AA or KK

Played another 800ish hands of NL25, very lucky session

Bankroll is now 1050$

Did you jump into the killer whale promotion by the way?

Yeah 28 BB 4-bet in that spot would be the GTOW choice at least when 150 BB deep. Makes sense to bloat the pot pre to make post flop play more straight forward with lower SPR's and obviously get value when strong and realize equity with more speculative holdings. This deep I do think AKo would indeed most likely be a fold against UTG 5-bet jams against that sizing in NL25 and NL50. Against a 5-bet jam from SB I don't think I could get away with AKo unless I had a very good read. But yeah, interesting spot in many ways.

Two big bluffs i did last session

Here villain folded top pair, he showed AJ

GG Poker - $0.25 Ante $0.1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 349.36 BB
SB: 249.6 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 208.12 BB
UTG+1: 58.2 BB
MP: 150.88 BB
MP+1: 210.68 BB
MP+2: 186.28 BB
CO: 100 BB

9 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG+1 posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 6 BB) Hero has 4♠ 4♥

fold, UTG+1 checks, fold, MP+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, SB calls 12.6 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 10 BB

Flop: (44.6 BB, 3 players) 7♥ 5♣ 3♠
SB checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets 18 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 18 BB

Turn: (80.6 BB, 2 players) A♦
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 32.4 BB, MP+1 calls 32.4 BB

River: (145.4 BB, 2 players) K♣
MP+1 checks, Hero bets 285.56 BB and is all-in, fold

MP+1 shows J♥ A♥ (One Pair, Aces)

Hero wins 137.4 BB

Here villain called my bluff with 55

GG Poker - $0.25 Ante $0.1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 199.6 BB
MP: 72.76 BB
MP+1: 320.8 BB
CO: 209.28 BB
BTN: 114.84 BB
SB: 442.4 BB
BB: 200 BB
UTG: 326.84 BB

8 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.6 BB) Hero has 6♦ A♦

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 10 BB

Flop: (30.6 BB, 2 players) 2♥ 7♦ 3♣
UTG checks, Hero bets 12.4 BB, UTG calls 12.4 BB

Turn: (55.4 BB, 2 players) 9♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 22.4 BB, UTG calls 22.4 BB

River: (100.2 BB, 2 players) 2♦
UTG checks, Hero bets 151.4 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 151.4 BB

Hero shows 6♦ A♦ (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 47%, Flop 27%, Turn 14%)
UTG shows 5♣ 5♥ (Two Pair, Fives and Twos)
(Pre 53%, Flop 73%, Turn 86%)
UTG wins 387.2 BB

PT4 shows that my overall river bets were successful higher than 80% of time

Which means I'm doing great

Lets say i bet 200BB into 100BB pot 10 times
I lose 200BB two times thats -400BB
Win 100BB 8 times thats 800BB, a whooping +400BB profit which skyrockets my redlane

I can do more accurate bluffs by observing players better, for example last guy who called me down with 55, clearly he is capable of making big hero calls, i will never bluff him again, i will be big value betting him next time

Here is another bluffish hand, i raise from BTN to steal blinds with J4o since in ante games pot is already 4.6BB i find it profitable to raise with any 2 holecards when its folded to me in BTN, SB is tight reg who 3bet me for 16BB but i have notes on him that he is folding to 4bets since last time i had AA and i 4bet him he folded, BB is a fish who calls 15BB, here i 4-bet to 45BB since i know reg is folding to 4bets unless he has AA or KK and im exploiting his tendencies and yes he folded but something went wrong, the fish called 29BB with 68o but in the end odds turned in my favor and i won

GG Poker - $0.25 Ante $0.1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 200 BB
BB: 130.4 BB
UTG: 220.24 BB
UTG+1: 262.48 BB
MP: 345.72 BB
MP+1: 437.36 BB
CO: 217.6 BB
Hero (BTN): 197.8 BB

8 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.6 BB) Hero has J♣ 4♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4.8 BB, SB raises to 16 BB, BB calls 15 BB, Hero raises to 45 BB, fold, BB calls 29 BB

Flop: (109.2 BB, 2 players) 4♥ 8♥ 7♠
BB checks, Hero bets 152.4 BB and is all-in, BB calls 85 BB and is all-in

Turn: (279.2 BB, 2 players) J♦

River: (279.2 BB, 2 players) Q♥

Hero shows J♣ 4♠ (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Pre 56%, Flop 20%, Turn 86%)
BB shows 6♦ 8♠ (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 44%, Flop 80%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 268.4 BB

Bankroll is now 1170$

Played NL50, unlucky session + i played bad and run under EV, bankroll is now: 860$

Back to NL25 grind

Played NL25 1.3k hands +190$

3bet 16.41% 😃

Rake 21BB per 100 hand 😃

I noticed one thing for months i grind but don't get any benefit from it, always try to move up higher limits but somehow get down when things go wrong then move up again, skill gap can be a reason or high rake, whatever it is, i never withdraw funds but never go busto either, i win a lot but have no benefit from it except the hope to someday reach high limits to stay there but that day may never come, so i'm like a mouse running cycles, i think i need to start withdrawing money to actually benefit from grinding

From now on i will have a system how to withdraw money in that way to benefit from winning as much as i can while still slowly build a bankroll, let's say i will never withdraw money if my bankroll is lower than 800$, this limit will allow me to always play at NL25 where games are super soft and beatable, if things go wrong i move down stakes but if things go good then i will withdraw 80% of winnings after every 5000 hands and leave 20% to increase bankroll slowly, so this way if bankroll slowly builds up to play NL50 and i lose there, i will have a lot of withdrawals and benefits received prior failure so i think this is the good way to go

Here is hand of the day, after i bluffed a tight reg few times finally he made a right hero call but words can't describe how pissed off the villain was after that call 😃

GG Poker - $0.25 Ante $0.1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 337.92 BB
UTG+1: 572.32 BB
MP: 233.92 BB
CO: 207.64 BB
Hero (BTN): 282.52 BB
SB: 211.84 BB
BB: 347.44 BB

7 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.2 BB) Hero has 6♣ 6♠

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 11 BB

Flop: (32.2 BB, 2 players) 4♥ 9♥ K♣
CO checks, Hero bets 13.2 BB, CO calls 13.2 BB

Turn: (58.6 BB, 2 players) 2♦
CO checks, Hero bets 23.6 BB, CO calls 23.6 BB

River: (105.8 BB, 2 players) T♣
CO checks, Hero bets 211.6 BB, CO calls 157.44 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 6♣ 6♠ (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
CO shows 5♣ 5♦ (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 409.88 BB

You need more volume at least 3k hands a day and at least 90k-100k hands a month to see if you can beat 25nl before you move up in stakes.

Yes I need to put as high volume as i can everyday, i think 3k hands a day is very achievable also i'm working on consistency, it's very important to be consistent with my gameplay it will drastically affect my winrate in the long run