My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL

My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL

Hello everyone, I want to share with you my 20 days result with 50$ deposit on GGpoker

2NL was awful, after like 15k hand

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11 September 2023 at 12:13 PM
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by Keruli k

i sent a dm with my sn.

Yeah we played, as i remember you had absurdly high VPIP like 40-50% i marked you as a fish but removed that mark afterwards thinking "hmm maybe he's not a fish" your playing style little confusing 😃


by blazar k

Well, yeah I moved down to NL5 now so nothing else to talk about 😆 😆 😆 seems like bad run slowly moves away and will post some graphs as soon as i reach back to NL25

It's def a good idea to drop down stakes for a few days to get your confidence back up after a downswing


by blazar k

Yeah we played, as i remember you had absurdly high VPIP like 40-50% i marked you as a fish but removed that mark afterwards thinking "hmm maybe he's not a fish" your playing style little confusing 😃

haha ok nice, that's one of the aims of my playstyle.
my VPIP isn't above 40% on average though, that was variance XD


Great read. You have inspired me! Hope to see you at the tables. GL to you.


by KHANYAY k

It's def a good idea to drop down stakes for a few days to get your confidence back up after a downswing

Yeah, no matter how hard GG tries to bust me i always move down stakes and grind back

I haven’t made any new deposit after my first original deposit of 50$ while i cashed out 1440$ + 400$ after last BBJ which I didn’t mention in this thread so total withdrawal was 1840$ which i invested in bitcoin

Mainly i bought altcoins FET and STX and now my investment value is over 5600$ im still waiting one month as bitcoin bull run continues hoping to hit 10k$+ there and will use that money as a bankroll to play live 1/3 poker or higher, live games are softer than online NL2 lol

I don’t make new deposits on GG mainly because im not confident enough with my game yet, i still spew some unnecessary pots and haven’t fixed some leaks in my game so i prefer to waste time moving down stakes and meanwhile fix my leaks until my game becomes stable

by tiltfactor k

Great read. You have inspired me! Hope to see you at the tables. GL to you.

Nice to hear buddy, gl with your journey


I've never seen something like this in my entire life, this is too much really

Player named "panterafan" wins allin AA vs KK and very next hand i got dealt KK, i 4bet him and he 5bet "im thinking no way he got AA again, impossible" and yes he again with AA wins allin from me too (he was AA vs KK twice in a row) some hands later he won another allin pot AA vs AK from someone else and he was playing with 1000BB+ stack




It's rigged 4sure


by rigdam3nti0n k

It's rigged 4sure

Yeah your name starts with rigd so you know it better 😃

Irony aside im really hitting variance wall so hard at this point really starting to think that online poker can be programmed that way to basically make some of the players life harder and easier for some players

Balance between players will result as many players playing as possible without most of them going busto fast, basically it takes only one card to come what can change outcome of any hand if player not drawing dead ofc so everything is possible


After all that finally i got dealt AA vs KK and guess what happened? 1063BB pot

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GG Poker - $0.05 Ante $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 527.2 BB
MP+1: 200 BB
CO: 203.4 BB
BTN: 315 BB
SB: 206.8 BB
BB: 214 BB
UTG: 523.6 BB
UTG+1: 332 BB

8 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.6 BB) Hero has A A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 12 BB, UTG raises to 55.6 BB, Hero raises to 125 BB, fold, UTG raises to 523.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 398.2 BB

Flop: (1063 BB, 2 players) 3 J 5

Turn: (1063 BB, 2 players) K

River: (1063 BB, 2 players) Q

UTG cashed out 989.4 BB for a fee of 0 BB

UTG shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 19%, Flop 9%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 91%, Turn 2%)
BB shows J A (One Pair, Jacks)


Hey man, hope you can break out of this run bad soon. That 1kbb pot is sick


sick


First time in my life im close to stats that i consider to be close to perfect for 9max ante games, i want to keep like this always, maybe 3bet% a bit higher around 7% can be better and VPIP can be around 22%



Here is one short session of NL5, seems like my luck is coming back, hope this is end of bad run


NL5 players are so sweet, sometimes they gift 300BB+ stacks for no reason

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GG Poker - $0.05 Ante $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 268.8 BB
UTG+1: 200 BB
Hero (MP): 349 BB
CO: 118.2 BB
BTN: 174.2 BB
SB: 441.2 BB
BB: 230 BB

7 players post ante of 0.4 BB, SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.2 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.6 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 3.2 BB, fold

Flop: (11 BB, 2 players) 5 2 T
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

Turn: (19 BB, 2 players) 9
SB bets 19 BB, Hero raises to 51 BB, SB calls 32 BB

River: (121 BB, 2 players) J
SB bets 382.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 290 BB and is all-in

SB shows J T (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 35%, Flop 48%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows Q A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 65%, Flop 52%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 685.2 BB


UPDATE: playing NL10 now soon to be move back to NL25 but really i don't feel like i deserve to play higher stakes just yet because clearly i see my leaks which needs to be fixed and it's better to train on lower stakes

Few examples:

At start of the session this hand happened right away, so i was thinking myself "why this has to happen when session just started, why this must happen to me" this kind of thinking really get me tilted

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GG Poker - $0.10 Ante $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 274.8 BB
Hero (SB): 198.5 BB
BB: 412.7 BB
UTG: 79.4 BB
UTG+1: 336.4 BB
MP: 104 BB
MP+1: 227.4 BB
MP+2: 100 BB
CO: 108 BB

9 players post ante of 0.5 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 6 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.6 BB, BB calls 2.6 BB

Flop: (11.7 BB, 2 players) 5 J 4
Hero checks, BB bets 8.8 BB, Hero calls 8.8 BB

Turn: (29.3 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (29.3 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 43.5 BB, BB calls 43.5 BB

Hero shows J A (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 72%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
BB shows A 3 (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 28%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 108.6 BB

This hand came right after, usually i fold AK in this situation but i was still tilted from previous hand and i was thinking "this is my time to have some luck now" after this one i get more tilted

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GG Poker - $0.10 Ante $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 271.3 BB
Hero (MP+1): 199.5 BB
MP+2: 454.9 BB
CO: 75.6 BB
BTN: 322.9 BB
SB: 101 BB
BB: 224.9 BB
UTG: 120.8 BB
UTG+1: 95.9 BB

9 players post ante of 0.5 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 6 BB) Hero has A K

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2.3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 38.8 BB, UTG+1 raises to 95.4 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 199 BB and is all-in, BB calls 160.2 BB

Flop: (498.4 BB, 3 players) 5 8 3

Turn: (498.4 BB, 3 players) Q

River: (498.4 BB, 3 players) 8

Hero shows A K (One Pair, Eights)

Main Pot [291.2 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [207.2 BB]: (Pre 49%, Flop 48%, Turn 50%)

BB shows K A (One Pair, Eights)

Main Pot [291.2 BB]: (Pre 18%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [207.2 BB]: (Pre 51%, Flop 52%, Turn 50%)

UTG+1 shows T T (Two Pair, Tens and Eights)

Main Pot [291.2 BB]: (Pre 66%, Flop 77%, Turn 90%)

Hero wins 100.4 BB
BB wins 100.4 BB
UTG+1 wins 281.9 BB

Very next hand i got dealt KK, i can't count how many times i was against AA when i had KK lately, this time i thought instead of 5bet here i would just call 4bet and shove flop so i may get called by QQ or even JJ but i was up against aces again and this was my peak of tilt

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GG Poker - $0.10 Ante $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 200 BB
CO: 178.7 BB
BTN: 209.3 BB
SB: 206.8 BB
BB: 208.6 BB
UTG: 191.8 BB
Hero (UTG+1): 198 BB
MP: 195.3 BB

8 players post ante of 0.5 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 5.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 14.5 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 33.8 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 19.3 BB

Flop: (77.1 BB, 2 players) 6 9 5
Hero bets 163.7 BB and is all-in, CO calls 144.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (365.9 BB, 2 players) 3

River: (365.9 BB, 2 players) 5

CO cashed out 330.8 BB for a fee of 0 BB

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 17%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
CO shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 83%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

So after those 3 hands above clearly im not playing my best poker, here i called turn it was right by odds but calling river shove was out of tilt, i excluded 3 and 2 from his range and as he shoved i thought maybe he was bluffing but value shove with 99 was too much maybe he wanted to make me fold TT or JJ or a flush well who knows but i would fold here if i was in my clear mind

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GG Poker - $0.10 Ante $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 191 BB
BTN: 317.3 BB
SB: 201 BB
BB: 331.3 BB
UTG: 206.5 BB
UTG+1: 351.9 BB
MP: 200 BB
MP+1: 356.7 BB

8 players post ante of 0.5 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 6.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, MP checks, MP+1 raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 17.5 BB, fold, SB calls 17 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 12.5 BB

Flop: (58.5 BB, 3 players) 3 3 6
SB checks, MP+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (58.5 BB, 3 players) 2
SB bets 44 BB, fold, Hero calls 44 BB

River: (146.5 BB, 2 players) 2
SB bets 139 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 129 BB and is all-in

SB shows 9 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Threes)
(Pre 53%, Flop 72%, Turn 68%)
Hero shows A K (Two Pair, Threes and Twos)
(Pre 47%, Flop 28%, Turn 32%)
SB wins 388.7 BB

I found a trigger what makes me tilt: when variance hits and bad runs repeat or for some reason i get cooler at start of the session my mind thinks like "this is not right, one time it's ok, second time it's ok but third time in a row?" "why it happened now? it would be right if i won first few hands like this one and then one cooler it would be ok"

I feel victim of unfair variance coming in my way but i need to understand variance is very wild and it can be cruel sometimes, like a nature, deep jungle or ocean, i really need to train my mind to accept it as it is

It's better to lose money on lower stakes now and just fix all the leaks because losing here is nothing compared to losing at higher stakes


I feel victim of unfair variance coming in my way but i need to understand variance is very wild and it can be cruel sometimes, like a nature, deep jungle or ocean, i really need to train my mind to accept it as it is

I try to keep my mind on my decision making process and treat variance as it treats me, it doesn't care about me --> I don't care about it. Let the cards fall as they may and GL.

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I've put plenty of bad beats on people who didn't deserve it too

What defines a winning session for you?

What immediate leaks do you have in mind to target right away and what is your plan to plug them?


by swerbs22 k

I try to keep my mind on my decision making process and treat variance as it treats me, it doesn't care about me --> I don't care about it. Let the cards fall as they may and GL.

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I've put plenty of bad beats on people who didn't deserve it too

What defines a winning session for you?

What immediate leaks do you have in mind to target right away and what is your plan to plug them?

My immediate leak is to be consistent with my game plan, i believe most important factor in any sport is consistency, if you want to reach top of any leaderboard in any sport, if you're playing bad consistently that's a recipe of disaster but if you're playing good consistently that's a recipe of big success, if i can't play consistent i don't care about the rest, i will always stay as mediocre player, doesn't matter for me how winning session can look like, best session for me would be a session where i made 0 mistakes

If we look at it deeply and analyze, online micro/low stakes are like 8 normal players and 1 fish (lets take rough example) and those normal players have really nitty tendencies especially when i'm playing 200bb deep, to beat them i need to be aggressive but in the same time i must make really exploitative folds

This is the hard part to do both consistently, sometimes i just don't fold and most of the time they have the goods, i truly believe that in high stakes or live games i can get away with making more calls without folding because there players play 3bet, 4bet, 5bet pots with much wider range

Here where i play when a reg 4bets, even if i'm holding KK feeling like i must be against AA, if they 5bet it's for sure AA, i saw many times how they just call 3bets with QQ, they don't 4bet enough, out of 10 regs maybe 1 has some bluffs in their 4bet range, some people here may not even consider to fold KK pre but sometimes it's the right play in 200bb deep, it's very hard to make such kind of folds even sometimes i can't fold AK but micro/low stakes reality is different

When i double barrel and face a raise or when they double barrel and shove river they don't have enough bluffs, if any at all, it's really hard to make big folds especially when im holding big hand but here if i want to crush those stakes i must be able to make exploitative folds CONSISTENTLY and be aggressive meantime

So yeah, i believe this is my leak to be consistent with my game


by blazar k

online micro/low stakes are like 8 normal players and 1 fish (lets take rough example)

If that's true then given the absurd rake your biggest leak is game selection. If you have H2N you should be able to figure out reg:fish ratio


by TripleBerryJam k

If that's true then given the absurd rake your biggest leak is game selection. If you have H2N you should be able to figure out reg:fish ratio

Yeah i know, for now I don’t even table select, i want to play more regs until i find consistency i need, also bad run is a gift for me i learn a lot how to play when luck is not on my side

In the future for sure i will be table selecting, it’s very possible to have 2 fishes at the table at NL25, from NL50 it gets harder, i wonder whats better to have one 70+VPIP big fish or two 40+VPIP mediocre fishes?


by blazar k

Yeah i know, for now I don’t even table select, i want to play more regs until i find consistency i need, also bad run is a gift for me i learn a lot how to play when luck is not on my side

In the future for sure i will be table selecting, it’s very possible to have 2 fishes at the table at NL25, from NL50 it gets harder, i wonder whats better to have one 70+VPIP big fish or two 40+VPIP mediocre fishes?

Their loss rate matters but also your position relative to them


by TripleBerryJam k

Their loss rate matters but also your position relative to them

I know its better to have fish on the right but their loss rate will be a bit hard to know because usually fishes don’t have large enough sample to check on the website, just lets say you see 70VPIP 10PFR fish on one table + 7 regs you prefer this table or two 45VPIP 10PFR fish + 6 reg? Also there might be a maniac fish option too but passive ones imo better for stable +EV games



So GG again offers me to change nickname to start "new good run" actually last time i accepted their offer and when i changed nickname my bad run started from there, seriously, lol

I'm gonna change nickname for the second time now for sure, maybe it will work this time 😃


by blazar k

I know its better to have fish on the right but their loss rate will be a bit hard to know because usually fishes don’t have large enough sample to check on the website, just lets say you see 70VPIP 10PFR fish on one table + 7 regs you prefer this table or two 45VPIP 10PFR fish + 6 reg? Also there might be a maniac fish option too but passive ones imo better for stable +EV games

You want more fish. One bad player can be enough to make a table profitable but in general you want your tables stacked with fish. This increases the overall bb/100 leaving across the table, it's going to go one of two places... Rake, and into reg stacks. You want less regs stealing your table share and more opportunities to get HU vs fish.


by blazar k

So GG again offers me to change nickname to start "new good run" actually last time i accepted their offer and when i changed nickname my bad run started from there, seriously, lol

I'm gonna change nickname for the second time now for sure, maybe it will work this time 😃

Said it in here before, best advice you’ll get, just move your action somewhere else


by haadgi k

Said it in here before, best advice you’ll get, just move your action somewhere else

Doesn't your advice simply reduce the game to chance and luck... Don't win here, try there... Don't win there, try here...


by swerbs22 k

You want more fish. One bad player can be enough to make a table profitable but in general you want your tables stacked with fish. This increases the overall bb/100 leaving across the table, it's going to go one of two places... Rake, and into reg stacks. You want less regs stealing your table share and more opportunities to get HU vs fish.

This really isn't good advice, unless your goal is to play 200 hands/hr.

Most regs at micros can be exploited for a positive win rate even with no fish at the table. Then, after few minutes of playing, the bad regs usually start leaving and are then replaced by fish. That's how the money is made.

Playing higher volume = Making more money. You also improve faster when you play vs regs.

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