President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
There is nothing that can be done for maga.
They are lost , period .
But 50% of Americans who voted for trump aren’t all maga , those are the ones that count imo .
I wasn't commenting on what percentage of Trump's voters could be swayed. I was responding to coordi's suggestion that Newsom's trolling might cause fringe maga to take a step back.
I am dismayed by this response. First, I don't think Trump is the main target of Newsom's trolling. I think the main targets are Newsom's Democratic rivals. He is trying to deprive them of oxygen by making his trolling a topic of conversation. In other words, he is co-opting the strategy that Trump used against his Republican rivals. That strategy was beneficial for Trump p
I disagree and I saw those tweets .
It’s definitely copying trump only and it show trump how ridiculous he is and how easy it is to be as “successful” as trump.
By turning trump in mockery , it could tone down the aggressiveness of the political discourse which certainly would be a negative for trump.
Trump thrive on hate .
Obviously I agree with you on how politic should be , but it like the markets , you trade the market you have not the market you believe should be .
And sadly we are there and one of the best way to remedy it could be using comedy .
What trump got beside insulting and hating on people ?
He never can talk about real politic and policies ….
So that is what I mean when u can get rid of trump weapons .
It’s like when a party steal policies from political adversaries.
What your adversary have left once u get their policies and people like them ?
I voted for not Trump. Notably, I got crucified by family and friends for saying about a year before everyone else got on board that Biden was cognitively finished. I’m beyond frustrated with liberals and their willingness to indulge in the same stupid games when we’re already in the find out stage of things.
I don’t know what “I voted for not Trump” means.
Newsom is probably one of the few people out there on the Democratic establishment side actually fighting against Trump, with lawsuits, redistricting, being uncompliant, parody, satire, etc. Not performative kneeling in African garb or strongly worded letters.
Also let’s face it, he’s more manly, better looking, and smarter than Trump. Aesthetics wise (which is important in politics) he will attract the wine mom votes that Obama captured the hearts of, and doesn’t have the gender handicap of Clinton and Harris.
With sincere respect, we've already reached the "Round up undesirables and deport them to death camps in El Salvador" phase of America's descent into fascism, and the opposition should absolutely be doing whatever it takes to stop this ****, even if it means being sarcastic on social media.
My views on Newsom's trolling campaign are not an expression of timidity. If we ever got to the point of not holding real elections, I suspect that I would be willing to go a lot further than most posters in this forum.
I wasn't commenting on what percentage of Trump's voters could be swayed. I was responding to coordi's suggestion that Newsom's trolling might cause fringe maga to take a step back.
Yeah I know.
I was responding that shrug .
Newsome troll will never change maga pov , like anything else either .
By turning trump in mockery , it could tone down the aggressiveness of the political discourse which certainly would be a negative for trump.
I honestly am surprised that you or anyone else believes this. I am 100% certain that this is exactly the style of politics that Trump wants. He does everything in his power to bait his political opponents into non-substantive mudwrestling and juvenile trolling.
I'd love to see a world where the Dems beat Trump with decorum and class, but if that ain't happening I'll settle someone who beats Trump with trolling and snarky Tweets. We tried the whole "they go low, we go high" thing. It didn't work.
Agree but we can do both ….
Keep a high decorum but when it’s about trump u just lashes out with comedy absurd trollling .
Newsom is probably one of the few people out there on the Democratic establishment side actually fighting against Trump, with lawsuits, redistricting, being uncompliant, parody, satire, etc. Not performative kneeling in African garb or strongly worded letters.Also let’s face it, he’s more manly, better looking, and smarter than Trump. Aesthetics wise (which is important in poli
It makes me long for the halcyon days when people in this forum were making similar comments about Michael Avenatti. (Admittedly, I don't think Newsom is remotely the shitbag that Avenatti was).
I honestly am surprised that you or anyone else believes this. I am 100% certain that this is exactly the style of politics that Trump wants. He does everything in his power to bait his political opponents into non-substantive mudwrestling and juvenile trolling.
Nah he insult people for deviating the subject .
Nothing wrong to say something ridiculous to make people laugh and then u go in a more serious note .
I got many teacher doing this in boring material and it help the class to relax , smile and be more receptive after words.
I’m not advocating to do only what trump those but clearly trump doing something that is effective .
Nothing wrong to use your enemies weapons against them some of the time shrug .
I pretty much agree with Crossnerd on this issue, which she can confirm is not always the case.
No one’s perfect
I assume you mean that you would agree with me every time if you were perfect. 😀
I wasn't commenting on what percentage of Trump's voters could be swayed. I was responding to coordi's suggestion that Newsom's trolling might cause fringe maga to take a step back.
Expecting any of those people to be self-reflective in the slightest is peak delusion
Also let’s face it, he’s more manly, better looking, and smarter than Trump. Aesthetics wise (which is important in politics) he will attract the wine mom votes that Obama captured the hearts of, and doesn’t have the gender handicap of Clinton and Harris.
What the actual **** is wrong with you
checkraisedraw is the normal centrist democrat (IE quite close to the people you need to win at the margin to win elections) and you guys routinely treat him as a very unwelcome guest you are kinda disgusted by and can only barely tolerate.
yet he is already to the left of center of american politics (albeit barely).
GL getting normies in the center like you
I view what Newsom is doing as unserious, unlikely to be effective in helping the Democrats win a general election, and unlikely to be effective as a form of resisting Trump's agenda.
If you think Newsom's politics are ineffective, that's a horse of a different color. I thought we were talking about this:
Doing whatever increases your chances to win, no matter the consequences, shouldn't be your lodestar as a candidate.
If Newsom's antics increase his chances of stopping Trump (that's a big if, granted) then he should absolutely keep doing that. That's my point. Stopping Nazism should be your first, last, and only objective as a politician in 2025.
Big disagree. Trump wants the Dems to continue doing the gormless, milquetoast kind of politics that has been their brand for the past 40 years.
checkraisedraw is the normal centrist democrat (IE quite close to the people you need to win at the margin to win elections) and you guys routinely treat him as a very unwelcome guest you are kinda disgusted by and can only barely tolerate.
yet he is already to the left of center of american politics (albeit barely).
GL getting normies in the center like you
Maybe, but he’s also a casual misogynist
Generally speaking, I don't think you should be willing to do anything that increases your chance to win an election. For example, if I were running as a Democrat against a non-MAGA Republican, I would be unwilling on the eve of the election to drop a fake video of my opponent having sex with a ten-year old, even if I thought dropping the fake video would increase my chances of winning.
Even if you think Trump is a special case in terms of what you should be willing to do, I don't think Newsom should be willing to do anything at this stage that increases his personal chances of winning the election, even if it decreases his party's overall chances of winning the election. In this particular case, I don't think Newsom's trolling improves either the party's chances or his personal chances of winning the election.
If you think Newsom's politics are ineffective, that's a horse of a different color.
This isn't the only reason I am put off by Newsom's trolling, but it is certainly one of the reasons. Democrats badly need to modernize their strategy, but I don't think that transition needs to take the form of imitating Trump's trolling.
Big disagree. Trump wants the Dems to continue doing the gormless, milquetoast kind of politics that has been their brand for the past 40 years.
We just disagree on this point. I think Trump wants Democrats to imitate his style of politics because he has judged (probably correctly) that they will be less effective at employing that style and will be judged more harshly for attempting it.
Regardless of whether your assessment of crd is correct, I am highly skeptical of his suggestion that the physical appearance of male candidates matters more to female voters than it does to male voters.
Well for starters, he's got a whole army of people, including him, who clearly want a legit war with the left - and an actual army to do it.
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I’m not advocating to do only what trump those but clearly trump doing something that is effective .
Nothing wrong to use your enemies weapons against them some of the time shrug .
I'm not sure what you're saying here but I don't strongly disagree with what Newsome is doing, stakes are high, and maybe this generates some folks to get into the situation and to see it for what it is. Who knows.
But the truth is, is that we are going to have another election, and that election is going to determine who wins the presidency. And if you're a dem, you should strongly advocate, even if it's painful to do so, to do everything you can to garner votes. (maybe this is it, who knows, but I doubt it)
Because the dems have been world class at voluntarily and unnecessarily abandoning voter blocs for about 10 years up to this point. And they just can't seem to bite their lip on the purity parade in order to win the game.
Luciom suggested that Newsom may just be trying on a hat with this trolling routine. In fairness to Newsom, that may be correct. The election is a long way away. Newsom's current trolling doesn't necessarily reflect a long term commitment to imitating Trump's style of politics.
Regardless of whether your assessment of crd is correct, I am highly skeptical of his suggestion that the physical appearance of male candidates matters more to female voters than it does to male voters.
Well at least you’re skeptical 🙄
Inso0 is probably right that its not as common to (be) cut out as one might be lead to believe if you are using reddit and twitter rants as your basis for an opinion
half of reddit is people mentioning how their mom insisted on cooking the turkey even though she wasn't the one hosting thanksgiving and dozens of comments with everyone saying that they need to cut that karen out of their lives forever
Regardless of whether your assessment of crd is correct, I am highly skeptical of his suggestion that the physical appearance of male candidates matters more to female voters than it does to male voters.
Yeah I thought the wine mom comment missed the mark if only because aesthetics matters even more to the type of guy who creates ultra buff ai versions of trump while passing it among his race obsessed terminally online friend group
